Julian Jackson vs. James Toney (160 lbs)

[AndreWardFan2006]

I just watched the video where James Toney called out Julian Jackson and told Don King to kiss his ass. Oh and yelled Burger King a few times haha...typical.

If these two would have met at 160 who would have won?

[dr_devious]

Toney win by KO, he had the skills to avoid most of Jackson's bombs and the chin to take what he had to. Jackson in contrast had a weak chin and fairly poor skills

[BoxBuzz]

Julian's Punch as formidable as it was would not stop Toney...and Toney may miss being nailed with the worst of the incoming anyway....and Julian would be getting nailed over and over.

Toney one way or another wins this. Julian perhaps more than just about any other fighter was made for him.

[Evander]

Toney.

Creative idea
Well thought of.

[barry]

Jackson called out Toney time and time again until Toney moved up in weight. Jackson called out McCallum time and again wanting a rematch...in fact Jackson called out a lot of top fighters who never cared to have anything to do with Jackson at that time as he was destrying everyone put in front of him. That being said I think Toney would win by stoppage in a tough, tough fight, but it certainly would not surprise me to see Jackson score a one punch knockout at any time during the fight!

[BoxBuzz]

barry, Julian ALWAYS had a punchers chance....sort of goes back to the NFL thing ...IN boxing any two fighters step in the ring anything can happen...and whent it's a serious puncher...he can NEVER be ruled out.

I'm banking on Toney's Chin here more than anything else so if he gets hit with the home run shot he (more than just about anyone else) might be able to weather it...further increasing his odds.

[joe kurtz]

Toney by KO or TKO in five or six rounds.

Jackson was one of the two or three best one punch knock out artists I've ever had the pleasure of seeing, but he didn't have the skills or the chin to go with that power.
Besides that, he was never really a natural middleweight. He was a bulked up '54 pounder, which when you think about it, makes his spectaculat KOs at 160 all that more impressive.
Infact, after losing the middleweight belt for the last time against Quincy Taylor, Jackson went back down to light middleweight for his last couple-few fights. But, by then he was too far gone to really compete.

[walshb]

Toney's chin is the reason he always beats Jackson. early to mid rd KO win for James

[barry]

>>>Toney's chin is the reason he always beats Jackson. early to mid rd KO win for James<<<

Yep!!!! When it comes down to chin-vs-punch, chin usually wins out!

[walshb]

You could not have said a truer word and lets not forget that JT had a decent wallop at 160lbs too. He is actually underrated as regards punch power. He had KO power at all times and V Jackson, that's a serious advantage

[Roco]

Good match this. Toney is too durable and skillful for Jackson. Stops him in 5-7 rounds.

[Alan Partridge]

Toney all day long and by KO

Seems that Jackson is getting overrated on this forum. All he had was a massive punch. He had no chin and limited boxing skills.

[Alan Partridge]

Toney all day long and by KO

Seems that Jackson is getting overrated on this forum. All he had was a massive punch. He had no chin and limited boxing skills.

ur opinion aint fact homie.

if he had no chin then he wouldn't get up TWICE after getting ROCKED by gerald mcclellan (who i could argue had one of the most destructive power of all-time). i could argue the opposite of what u said all day long but i dont even wanna get into that

At world class level which he was, his chin was below average and let him down similar to Thommy Hearns and his skills was nothing special. If he didn't have that huge right hand he would of been nothing in world terms.

[gilgamesh]

Toney has too good of a chin, too good of defense, too much skill. He stops Jackson around the 7th or 8th round, and would make it look easy. Bad match-up for The Hawk.

[Vladimir5555]

Toney by later stoppage or clear decision.

[Lausse]

Toney all day long and by KO

Seems that Jackson is getting overrated on this forum. All he had was a massive punch. He had no chin and limited boxing skills.

I`m surprised so many people in this thread are saying Julian had limited boxing skills, that is simply not true and anyone who has a modicum of boxing knowledge would agree. Before his eyes started to fail him he was a very compact and accurate puncher who picked his shots very well both to the head and body, and he was not too shabby as a counter-puncher either. Even though Julian does have an arc to his punches, they were delivered with frightening efficiency with perfect leverage.

Mike McCallum once said when asked about his fight against him that Julian had no "tells" to his punches. For most fighters there are motions in their feet, their shoulders or their chest that tell you when they're getting ready to throw, or they have patterns that tell you which punches they're likely to throw and in what situations. He also added that his speed of delivery was such that the punches just came too suddenly, with unsettling speed.

McCallum said that Jackson on the other hand had no such giveaways to what punch he was about to throw next. He claimed that he had no idea ahead of time of when a punch was coming from Jackson, and he that as a result he was reacting on the fly. That is why he went all out to KO Jackson in the 2nd round of their fight, the first round convinced him he couldn't outbox Jackson so his best chance was to get to Jackson first and try and get him out of there early.

Like I mentioned in my first paragraph it is also worth noting that while Jackson was by no means a counterpuncher as his primary style, a lot of his most notable KOs did come either while countering a punch or catching an opponent as they were getting ready to throw. Examples that spring to mind are Graham, Norris, (was just getting ready to throw a right and was dropping his left at the same time when Jackson caught him) Cardamone, Baek, (who survived the actual first punch, but the KO was set up by Jackson countering over a Baek jab) etc.

So this misconception that Jackson was just some mere limited slugger with knockout power in both fists is a mythplain and simple. Now with all that said this doesn`t mean that he would beat Toney but he would certainly give a good account of himself and would not be outclassed, James cannot afford to get careless and would have to be focused for every second of every round as a single lapse in concentration could prove fatal even with his sturdy chin. I`d favour him to win a decision or maybe even a late stoppage, but I will not completely discount Jackson`s chances in this fight.