Ambling Alp II wrote:SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Ambling Alp II wrote:Obviously he was yella, afraid to take on someone who he had just beat. Guess that makes as much sense as your responses regarding your biases.
Saad was finished at 27, Whitaker won by 5 points over DLH. (Not sure if you are still sticking with Saad deserving to be ahead on the scorecards vs Martin, or Duran somehow winning the 8th round vs Leonard in their 2nd fight before he quit)
Leonard had the advantage of fighting at 162 even though he never weighed that much before might be the best.
I never said he was afraid. Now we can add irrational to biased for you, sadly it isn't the first time. . You're the only person in the forum, or the world, that demands Hagler didn't want a rematch. Look at how you're harping on topics that have nothing to do with this, but I don't mind indulging you.
Saad never won another significant fight and this isn't the first time you've tried to use age to back your silly claims. Some fighters are finished at 25, some are still fighting at 49. It isn't really a birth certificate thing.
I had Whitaker by 6 points if you want to accurately quote me.
Saad was in control at the time of the stoppage. That's my recollection, but I could stand to see that again.
Duran was doing very well in that round. Then again, that's another Leonard subject so nobody can take anything you say seriously.
Leonard weighed more than that in his previous fight. But I'll spell it out for you again as you clench your fists in rage over your perceived scorn at the object of your obsession. Hearns was the bigger man who would be more comfortable at 168 than Leonard would.
There is no reason for Saad to have been finished at 27. Age isn't the only factor but is usually the most important one.
He had been in some very tough fights but many others had as well and were still close to best at a much higher age. Some fights fight in their 40s but none are as good as they were in their primes.
Because he never won a significant fight after the two fights with Qawi (he also had a fight in between) is different than being finished before the fights. You are simply using it for a an excuse. If Saad is washed up before the Qawi fight, you can use the "past his prime" excuse for just about anybody at any time.
Saad was in control at the stoppage of the Martin fight? He was winning the round, but clearly losing the fight. Bias on your part for a fighter that is one one of your favorites. (I like him too.)
You had Whitaker winning the DLH fight by 6 points? And you aren't biased towards Whitaker? Priceless.
Duran was doing quite well in that round? He was doing almost nothing in that round. More bias on your part against a fighter that you hate.
Yes Hearns would be more comfortable at 168 than Leonard; no kidding. The higher the weight, the better for Hearns. Leonard's best weight at the time was probably 154. Hearns was comfortable at 160, had fought there in most of recent fights prior to the Leonard fight, and could have fought there easily. Their agreement was that each at to come in at 164 or below. 160 would have been to Hearns' advantage. Absolutely stupid to think it 162 was to Leonard's advantage. But you like Hearns, and hate Leonard so anything goes. Throw logic out the window.
We have beat this to death; I'm going to give you the last word on this; I know how important that is to you. You can't make decent points so you have to rely on the quantity of your posts, sarcasm, and claiming that I am biased while you are far more biased. I just beg that you don't hide behind the dreaded
for about the one millionth time.
I don't make excuses for fighters, I'm simply stating that Saad had nothing left at that point. It's a common opinion among those of us who know what they're talking about. One of your worst topics is career stages. You just twist and turn like the hypocrite you are depending on which side suits your agenda. You've embarrassed yourself many times there, so you should stop beating that to death.
It's the same scenario as your boy against Norris. Sometimes it's just gone overnight. Of course you skimmed by where I said Qawi would be a tough match up anyway, that doesn't fit in well with your silly little witch hunt.
As I said, I could stand to rewatch Saad/Martin. I haven't seen it since it aired. Nothing biased, not a big argument, perhaps I'm wrong. I may even have it mixed up with Mustafa/Martin
Yes, I had Whitaker winning by 6 points and I'm not biased. I don't score fights based on whom I'm cheering for. But If you'd like to point out all of the rounds that Oscar won beyond a shadow of a doubt, I'd be happy to check them out.
Only you could get all up in arms about the scoring of a round a fighter quit in. I just find it interesting that most people think that was the round Leonard clowned him in but it was the previous round. That's not biased either, if anything it debunks the reason he quit was your Sugar Bears clowning.
The higher the weight the better for Hearns. Exactly my point, but you're so deep in a meaningless witch hunt for bias that doesn't exist that you're Alping out and inventing your own thought process for somebody else. Of course later in the post you go right back to your wheelhouse and call the same point you agreed with stupid. That's typical of you in anything involving Leonard, you become so emotional and irrational that you clown yourself in a single paragraph. Well done.
Thanks for the last word Alp, that means so much coming from you. It's cute that you think repeating yourself over and over and ignoring the responses is decent debating. You're just upset because EVERYONE knows you're incapable of any rationale discussion when it comes to leonard or Ali. It's a fact of the forum.
And of course, butthurt Alp 101 is trying to change the subject when you're getting clowned. Hence going away from your outlandish claims that Hagler had no desire for a rematch and sifting through my thousands of posts for your favorites.
Sometimes all your drivel is worth is a
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