Amateur losses of well known pros

[Controversial]

I know amateur results mean little but I thought it might be interesting to post a few amateur losses of well known pros. Criteria is they were contenders or champ and the loss was brutal (KO) or they were beaten by another well known fighter.

I'll start it off.

Aaron Pryor outpointed Tommy Hearns in 1976 National Golden Gloves Champion (132 lbs)

Felix Savon stopped David Tua within 20 seconds in 1991

Al Evans knocked out Mike Tyson in 1982 U.S. Amateur Championships.

Tyrell Biggs outpointed Lennox Lewis in 1984 Olympics

Lennox Lewis stopped Riddick Bowe in 2nd round in 1986 World Amateur Boxing Championships


Anymore

[Brute]

Buster Mathis beat Joe Frazier in the 1964 Olympic trials and was picked to represent USA in Tokyo. Buster broke his hand and Smoking Joe went in his place.

[yancey]

I think Joe Frazier lost to Tony Doyle as an amateur, but not 100% positive.

[Nile4000]

Mike McCallum decioned Marlon Starling in the semifinals of the 1977 National AAU tournament.

Greg Page decisioned Tony Tubbs in the 1978 National AAU finals.

Emory Chapman kayoed Big John Tate in the 1975 National Golden Gloves Final.

Leon Spinks decisioned a 15 year old Micheal Dokes in the 1974 National AAU Final.

LeRoy Murphy decisioned Tony Tucker in the 1977 finals of the Ohio State Fair.

Howard Davis Jr. decisioned Aaron Pryor in the 1976 Olympic Trials.

Irving Mitchell beat Hector Camacho in the 1980 Olympic Trials.

[Vladimir5555]

In this topic only American amateurs?

[gilgamesh]

In this topic only American amateurs?

"Well known Pros" could be from any part of the world.

[IKSRTFO]

Bradley lost to Berto twice and lost to Ward
GGG KO'd Bute

[Dubblechin]

Russian heavyweight Alexei Lezin (who never turned pro) defeated future champs:
* Nicolai Valuev at the 1994 Goodwill Games
* Vitali Klitschko in the finals of the 1995 World Championships
* Wladimir Klitschko in the finals of the 1995 European Championships

[gilgamesh]

Russian heavyweight Alexei Lezin (who never turned pro) defeated future champs:
* Nicolai Valuev at the 1994 Goodwill Games
* Vitali Klitschko in the finals of the 1995 World Championships
* Wladimir Klitschko in the finals of the 1995 European Championships

Damn good wins for a guy who never turned Pro. Wonder why he never decided to make a go of it in the Pro game.

[Dubblechin]

I know amateur results mean little but I thought it might be interesting to post a few amateur losses of well known pros. Criteria is they were contenders or champ and the loss was brutal (KO) or they were beaten by another well known fighter.

I'll start it off.

Aaron Pryor outpointed Tommy Hearns in 1976 National Golden Gloves Champion (132 lbs)

Felix Savon stopped David Tua within 20 seconds in 1991

Al Evans knocked out Mike Tyson in 1982 U.S. Amateur Championships.

Tyrell Biggs outpointed Lennox Lewis in 1984 Olympics

Lennox Lewis stopped Riddick Bowe in 2nd round in 1986 World Amateur Boxing Championships


Anymore

I don't think that last one is correct. Lewis beat Bowe at the 1988 Olympics, but Alex Garcia and Michael Bentt represented the U.S. at the '86 World Championships.

[Dubblechin]

Russian heavyweight Alexei Lezin (who never turned pro) defeated future champs:
* Nicolai Valuev at the 1994 Goodwill Games
* Vitali Klitschko in the finals of the 1995 World Championships
* Wladimir Klitschko in the finals of the 1995 European Championships

Damn good wins for a guy who never turned Pro. Wonder why he never decided to make a go of it in the Pro game.

He lost to Wlad in the 96 Olympics and he lost to Audley Harrison in the 2000 Olympics (both Wlad and Audley won gold). Maybe the loss to Wlad in '96 bothered him and he wanted to come back four years later and try again. That happens sometimes. Either way, it didn't work out for him. Too bad. He could've been a solid pro.

[gilgamesh]

Russian heavyweight Alexei Lezin (who never turned pro) defeated future champs:
* Nicolai Valuev at the 1994 Goodwill Games
* Vitali Klitschko in the finals of the 1995 World Championships
* Wladimir Klitschko in the finals of the 1995 European Championships

Damn good wins for a guy who never turned Pro. Wonder why he never decided to make a go of it in the Pro game.

He lost to Wlad in the 96 Olympics and he lost to Audley Harrison in the 2000 Olympics (both Wlad and Audley won gold). Maybe the loss to Wlad in '96 bothered him and he wanted to come back four years later and try again. That happens sometimes. Either way, it didn't work out for him. Too bad. He could've been a solid pro.

Definitely sounds like he could've been. You never can tell if a Top level amateur will make a great Pro or not. Several do and several don't, but I'd say if you were THAT good of an amateur, it's certainly worth a shot to find out if you can make it as a Pro or not.

[Dubblechin]

Sven Ottke made 21 successful title defenses at super middleweight and retired undefeated. As an amateur, Ottke also defeated these future champs:

* Michael Moorer 1987 USA vs. Germany
* Chris Byrd 1992 USA vs. Germany
* Juan Carlos Gomez (1994)
* Antonio Tarver 1994 USA vs. Germany
* Zsolt Erdei 1996 European Championships

[tiny_acres]

Sven Ottke made 21 successful title defenses at super middleweight and retired undefeated. As an amateur, Ottke also defeated these future champs:

* Michael Moorer 1987 USA vs. Germany
* Chris Byrd 1992 USA vs. Germany
* Juan Carlos Gomez (1994)
* Antonio Tarver 1994 USA vs. Germany
* Zsolt Erdei 1996 European Championships

WOW very impressive

[Vladimir5555]

Vyacheslav Lemeshev (USSR) beat
Alan Minter TKO 2 Junior European Championship 1970
Marvin Johnson TKO 2 Semifinal OG 1972
*Michael Spinks,dec.USSR vs USA 1975

Igor Visotsky
*Tony Tubbs, RSC 2,USSR vs USA 1976

Stanislav Stepashkin
*Ken Buchanan,PTS,EC 1965,Semifinal

Oleg Karataev
*Leon Spinks,TKO 3, World Championship 1974

Alexander Koshkyn
*James Shuler,RSC 1,USSR vs USA 1981

Alex Miroshnichenko
* Lennox Lewis,DEC,Intercup 1986
*Riddick Bowe DEC,USSR vs USA

Vyacheslav Yakovlev outpointed Lennox Lewis.World Cup 1985.Final

Aleksander Tkachenko kayos Charlie Magri.1974 Junior European Championship.Final

Nikolay Erofeev outpointed Tony Tucker.USSR vs USA 1979

Alex Yagubkin
*Tyrell Biggs,dec,USSR vs USA 1981
*Henry Tilman,dec,USSR vs USA 1983
Michael Bent,dec,World Cup 1985

[gilgamesh]

What is RSC 1 or RSC 2 mean?

[Vladimir5555]

Referee stop contest in round 1 or round 2

[gilgamesh]

Referee stop contest in round 1 or round 2

......why not just call it a TKO like the Pro's?

I don't expect you to have an answer to that question, just rhetorical. Thanks for answering my question.

[Bobbyptsd]

Didn't Kostya Tszyu beat Vernon Forrest in the amateurs when he (Tszyu) was like two years younger, or am I remembering that wrong?

And while I'm on Forrest, he did beat Mosley in the amateurs(as well as pros, of course). Kelson Pinto beat Miguel Cotto.

Ok, well what a shiitty contribution, I'm no historian on these matters

EDIT: Yes, I'm also aware how stupid the "when he was two years younger" line sounded, in retrospect, he always would have been What I meant was that Tszyu was particularly young, 16 or so at the time.

[Vladimir5555]

Serik Konakbaev
*Patricio Oliva,dec,EC 1979
*Azumah Nelson,TKO 3,World Cup 1979
*Don Curry,dec,USSR vs USA 1981

[gilgamesh]

Didn't Kostya Tszyu beat Vernon Forrest in the amateurs when he (Tszyu) was like two years younger, or am I remembering that wrong?

And while I'm on Forrest, he did beat Mosley in the amateurs(as well as pros, of course). Kelson Pinto beat Miguel Cotto.

Ok, well what a shiitty contribution, I'm no historian on these matters

I remembered thinking it was interesting that Pinto beat Cotto as an amateur and Cotto beat him with ease as a Professional.

Whereas Cotto beat Ricardo Torres as an amateur, and then had absolute hell with him in the Pros. He still won, but it was probably one of Miguel's hardest fought victories.

[Vladimir5555]

Didn't Kostya Tszyu beat Vernon Forrest in the amateurs when he (Tszyu) was like two years younger, or am I remembering that wrong?

And while I'm on Forrest, he did beat Mosley in the amateurs(as well as pros, of course). Kelson Pinto beat Miguel Cotto.

Ok, well what a shiitty contribution, I'm no historian on these matters

EDIT: Yes, I'm also aware how stupid the "when he was two years younger" line sounded, in retrospect, he always would have been What I meant was that Tszyu was particularly young, 16 or so at the time.

Tszyu beat Forrest in 1991.It was final in World Championship in.Sydney

[Vladimir5555]

Anatoly Kamnev outpointed Ray Leonard in 1974.SRR outpointed Kamnev in 1975

Gennadiy Lapshin outpointed John Mugabi

Andrey Kurnyavka outpointed John Ruis,Sven Ottke,Terry McGroom and kayos Jeremy Williams

Dmitriy Korsun two times outpointed Chris Byrd in 1989 and 1990

Assylbek Kilimov kayos Henry Maske in 1982

Sergei Artemiev outpointed Shane Mosley,USSR vs USA 1989

Artur Grigorian outpointed Shane Mosley,Goodwill Games 1990

Igor Ruzhnikov outpointed Roy Jones,Goodwill Games 1986

Piotr Zaev outpointed Francesco Damiani,OG 1980,Semifinal

Andrey Gogolev outpointed Carl Froch,World Championship 2001,Semifinal

Bulat Shararov outpointed Christophe Tiozzo,Junior European Championship 1982

Marco Rudolph outpointed ODLH in World Championship 1991

Angel Herrera outpointed Pernell Whitaker.World Championship 1982

[Dubblechin]

Vyacheslav Lemeshev (USSR) beat
Alan Minter TKO 2 Junior European Championship 1970
Marvin Johnson TKO 2 Semifinal OG 1972
*Michael Spinks,dec.USSR vs USA 1975

Igor Visotsky
*Tony Tubbs, RSC 2,USSR vs USA 1976

Stanislav Stepashkin
*Ken Buchanan,PTS,EC 1965,Semifinal

Oleg Karataev
*Leon Spinks,TKO 3, World Championship 1974

Alexander Koshkyn
*James Shuler,RSC 1,USSR vs USA 1981

Alex Miroshnichenko
* Lennox Lewis,DEC,Intercup 1986
*Riddick Bowe DEC,USSR vs USA

Vyacheslav Yakovlev outpointed Lennox Lewis.World Cup 1985.Final

Aleksander Tkachenko kayos Charlie Magri.1974 Junior European Championship.Final

Nikolay Erofeev outpointed Tony Tucker.USSR vs USA 1979

Alex Yagubkin
*Tyrell Biggs,dec,USSR vs USA 1981
*Henry Tilman,dec,USSR vs USA 1983
Michael Bent,dec,World Cup 1985

Does anyone know of any copies floating around of Alex Miroshnichenko's pro bouts? I'd love to see them. I know he went undefeated until he lost to Oleg Maskaev (in Maskaev's debut) ... and then he was rumored to have been killed by the Russian mob.

[Vladimir5555]

I saw only his fight against Bowe in OG 1988 semifinal.

Pro fights I don*t saw.