Cassius Clay ~ "Girlie Pink Cadillac"

[ThatOne]

Sam Wise

I don't understand.

You don't like my threads, then post a lengthy statement........

You're like a train wreck. People just can't look away.

[ThatOne]

Sam Wise

I don't understand.

You don't like my threads, then post a lengthy statement........

You're like a train wreck. People just can't look away.

And that includes you........

Why would I?

[gilgamesh]

Fact > People who don't like America are jealous.

Fact > When there is a problem somewhere in the World, America is the 'first' to respond.

Fact > We are far from perfect.

Number 1 fact - that's probably true for SOME people, but there are plenty of other reasons for countries to hate America.

Number 2 fact - that's not even remotely true. There are so many problems in the world that America (and for that matter my own country) don't respond to which are far worse than those they do respond to. America responds out of self interest, and fairly often ignores flagrant breaches of "freedom and democracy", or even intervenes to support them, and then reaps the fruit of that later. In Iran, America stood by and let the Shah, who was a big arms customer, close down the Majilis and imprison the Prime Minister. Then when Iran had it's revolution and the Mullahs hated America, it was the same story "They're evil, they're jealous". In reality, America talks about freedom and democracy, but supports whatever will get it the most money.

Number 3 fact - that's absolutely a fact. America is not all bad, nor Americans, but certainly it's not all good either. It's the arrogance that says "We are morally superior" that upsets people. Acquiring the most toys doesn't make you the moral arbiter, indeed, doing what's necessary to acquire the most toys often means not being moral at all.


And yes, I'd much rather you posted imaginary matchups than endless attacks on Ali, and endless "he really lost this fight", or "He swerved everyone else to take an easy fight" for every one of his opponents. I think you're entitled to your opinion on Ali, and I think you're right on some of it; he's not as unambiguously lovely as I, an Ali fan, would like him to be, but I've got to tell you that you've completely lost my respect and interest over the last few months. I used to enjoy your threads a lot, but now, I mostly don't even read them. It's a shame.

Great post SamWise

[Giancarlo]

lol.....agreed.....but let's be honest....far from a "no spin" zone.

Any specific bits you disagree with Buzz?

[bollox]

"no Viet Cong ever called me person"

[gilgamesh]

"no Viet Cong ever called me person"

I know the quote as I'm sure a lot of us do, but the autocorrect mechanism f*cked it up

[bollox]

"no Viet Cong ever called me person"

I know the quote as I'm sure a lot of us do, but the autocorrect mechanism f*cked it up

[SamWise72]

Sam Wise

I don't understand.

You don't like my threads, then post a lengthy statement........

And 'rip' America about our connection with the 'Shah of Iran'.

How the hell did you pull that one out of the closet..... :??

If you don't understand America's connection to the Shah, it's not surprising you don't understand how America is perceived on the world stage.

[ThatOne]

Sam Wise

I don't understand.

You don't like my threads, then post a lengthy statement........

And 'rip' America about our connection with the 'Shah of Iran'.

How the hell did you pull that one out of the closet..... :??

If you don't understand America's connection to the Shah, it's not surprising you don't understand how America is perceived on the world stage.

I'm not surprised that Il Duce didn't know the United States helped overthrow the democratically elected Mossadegh government. They don't teach world history at trade school.

[ThatOne]

America and the Shah of Iran

"What is in the best interests of the United States, not what is in the best interests of the rest of the World."

We are a business here in America. We are not on some 'moral crusade' like you want us to be.

The United States nor any nation gets to choose the leaders of other nations. What part of that don't you understand?

[ThatOne]

America and the Shah of Iran

"What is in the best interests of the United States, not what is in the best interests of the rest of the World."

We are a business here in America. We are not on some 'moral crusade' like you want us to be.

The United States nor any nation gets to choose the leaders of other nations. What part of that don't you understand?

What don't you understand..............We have done that many times.

Like in Iraq and Afghanistan. The results speak for themselves.

[SamWise72]

America and the Shah of Iran

"What is in the best interests of the United States, not what is in the best interests of the rest of the World."

We are a business here in America. We are not on some 'moral crusade' like you want us to be.

The United States nor any nation gets to choose the leaders of other nations. What part of that don't you understand?

What don't you understand..............We have done that many times.

I'm not saying what I "want you to be", I fully understand that you are precisely a business. I'm trying to help you understand what, other than jealousy, might make other countries hate you. America puts itself across in its politics, and often through the voices of its people, as exactly a moral crusade; champions of freedom and democracy, the worlds policeman. It isn't those things, it is a business. It does indeed choose the leaders of many countries. That's why America is hated, mainly, not jealousy. Am I getting through? That behaviour, and the hypocrisy that it embodies.

[ThatOne]

We're still waiting on that Form DD 214, Il Bugiardo.

[gilgamesh]

America and the Shah of Iran

"What is in the best interests of the United States, not what is in the best interests of the rest of the World."

We are a business here in America. We are not on some 'moral crusade' like you want us to be.

Or like the powers that be try to pretend we are to the rest of the World.

[gilgamesh]

I'm not saying what I "want you to be", I fully understand that you are precisely a business. I'm trying to help you understand what, other than jealousy, might make other countries hate you. America puts itself across in its politics, and often through the voices of its people, as exactly a moral crusade; champions of freedom and democracy, the worlds policeman. It isn't those things, it is a business. It does indeed choose the leaders of many countries. That's why America is hated, mainly, not jealousy. Am I getting through? That behaviour, and the hypocrisy that it embodies.

Unfortunately several of the American people...myself included don't agree with the actions of those in charge, and don't support this kind of hypocrisy that you speak of, but basically there's nothing that can be done about it. They even lie to the American people, and most people are too stupid to research it on their own and simply take the powers that be at their word.

To speak out against this kind of hypocrisy is to be deemed Anti-American in most cases. It's certainly an uphill battle.

[SamWise72]

I hear you. I've got dual nationality; I'm a US citizen, and actually, I love America in a lot of ways. It's a beautiful country, with a lot of wonderful people in it, and it used to be very inspiring. I feel like over the course of my lifetime, a lot of what was inspiring has been replaced by something rather ugly, but yes, if you suggest that you want the country to be a little different, you're anti American. It doesn't make me happy

[gilgamesh]

I hear you. I've got dual nationality; I'm a US citizen, and actually, I love America in a lot of ways. It's a beautiful country, with a lot of wonderful people in it, and it used to be very inspiring. I feel like over the course of my lifetime, a lot of what was inspiring has been replaced by something rather ugly, but yes, if you suggest that you want the country to be a little different, you're anti American. It doesn't make me happy

I'm American born and raised and I live in a particularly stupid part of the country where intelligent thought is frowned upon unfortunately. It's not a lot of fun for me either. There's about a million other places I'd rather live, and I don't just mean other countries, I mean even several places in the U.S. I'd rather live. It's definitely more than a little depressing to me.

[lefty]

Bloody hell Duce. This is getting silly now.

[gilgamesh]

Bloody hell Duce. This is getting silly now.

now????

It wasn't silly months ago?

[lefty]

Bloody hell Duce. This is getting silly now.

now????

It wasn't silly months ago?

Haha! I dont come in here that often.

[Space Moutain]

Cassius Clay / Muhammad Ali

A 'record' that we never be met.

The child/man was 'boo'ed at every single boxing match that he was involved in.

In many cases, he was vehemently boo'ed.

In some, he had a 'garbage' {half-eaten food} thrown on him.

Though the most recognized athlete, yet he was despised more so than any other athlete.

I agree.

[gilgamesh]

Cassius Clay / Muhammad Ali

A 'record' that we never be met.

The child/man was 'boo'ed at every single boxing match that he was involved in.

In many cases, he was vehemently boo'ed.

In some, he had a 'garbage' {half-eaten food} thrown on him.

Though the most recognized athlete, yet he was despised more so than any other athlete.

I agree.

You would. You guys have got to be the same person, because anytime Duce says something, here you come like a faithful dog to back him up.

[Space Moutain]

Cassius Clay / Muhammad Ali

A 'record' that we never be met.

The child/man was 'boo'ed at every single boxing match that he was involved in.

In many cases, he was vehemently boo'ed.

In some, he had a 'garbage' {half-eaten food} thrown on him.

Though the most recognized athlete, yet he was despised more so than any other athlete.

I agree.

You would. You guys have got to be the same person, because anytime Duce says something, here you come like a faithful dog to back him up.

I'm not sure I like your tone.

[Space Moutain]

Clay was a bad person. And that's why people booed him.

I would have as well. As I would not have worshipped him like his minions here do.

[lefty]

I agree.

You would. You guys have got to be the same person, because anytime Duce says something, here you come like a faithful dog to back him up.

I'm not sure I like your tone.