Brook vs Porter purse bid deadline

[Pugilist-specialist]

May 21st is the day I believe it goes to purse bids.

But porter is now sounding off he will not come to the UK (well his dad is sounding this off anyway)

Nobody knew or cared before he fought Alexander and now he is being a primadonna , saying it must be in the US.

I think Schaeffer ruled out it being on the Canelo undercard.

I sense porter will pull out injured if the sky machine put some big digits in a UK offer and win this. Poor form for a champion if he does so.

I wonder if he drops the IBF and sniffs around the WBA belt dropped by Maidana?

Thinking beyond Froch Groves, the best fight these shores have lined up is Brook vs Khan or Brook vs Porter. I hope the Wembley show injects some sky funds into offers no opponent can refuse.

Can Brook Khan fill a stadium too ?

I think Brook-Khan would do big numbers at Bramall Lane but your restricted for dates with football season and the fact that Khan wouldn't fight him.

[gobbles]

the taylor fight was in the early stages of the super 6, after abraham brutally ko'd taylor also in the super 6 team taylor withdrew their fighter and he was replaced in the competition.

It wasn't in the Super Six. Froch's fights in the Super Six were Dirrell, Kessler, Abraham, Johnson and Ward.

[Boxerbeetle]

the taylor fight was in the early stages of the super 6, after abraham brutally ko'd taylor also in the super 6 team taylor withdrew their fighter and he was replaced in the competition.

It wasn't in the Super Six. Froch's fights in the Super Six were Dirrell, Kessler, Abraham, Johnson and Ward.

Yep, Froch vs Taylor was 100% not a Super Six fight.

[TJ77]

May 21st is the day I believe it goes to purse bids.

But porter is now sounding off he will not come to the UK (well his dad is sounding this off anyway)

Nobody knew or cared before he fought Alexander and now he is being a primadonna , saying it must be in the US.

I think Schaeffer ruled out it being on the Canelo undercard.

I sense porter will pull out injured if the sky machine put some big digits in a UK offer and win this. Poor form for a champion if he does so.

I wonder if he drops the IBF and sniffs around the WBA belt dropped by Maidana?

Thinking beyond Froch Groves, the best fight these shores have lined up is Brook vs Khan or Brook vs Porter. I hope the Wembley show injects some sky funds into offers no opponent can refuse.

Can Brook Khan fill a stadium too ?

I think Brook-Khan would do big numbers at Bramall Lane but your restricted for dates with football season and the fact that Khan wouldn't fight him.

And definitely not there.

[Parson Cross]

ALI - my friend, you are clueless.

[Manchester Hitman]

Rumours on twitter from a source claiming to be close to Porter that Brook has pulled out...I know it could be BS but that's what's out there...

[lefty]

Rumours on twitter from a source claiming to be close to Porter that Brook has pulled out...I know it could be BS but that's what's out there...

Could you post a link to the twitter handle mate?

[JayMc]

Brook posted on Tw@tter yesterday to expect some big news soon..............................................................................
I'm really hoping it is Brook v Carson Jones III haha

Apparently an agreement has been made between GoldenBoy and Matchroom. Everything is in place except choice of venue and location.

[whiskey]

Brook posted on Tw@tter yesterday to expect some big news soon..............................................................................
I'm really hoping it is Brook v Carson Jones III haha

Apparently an agreement has been made between GoldenBoy and Matchroom. Everything is in place except choice of venue and location.

Nice one.

I'm pleased because beyond Wembley, there isn't much on the horizon for our homegrown fighters.

[ALI]

ALI - my friend, you are clueless.

Really, thats a harsh assessment. The facts are out there, they support my viewpoint more than yours:

http://www1.skysports.com/boxing/news/1 ... es-in-july

Refusing a fight with Bradley, just after he defeated Pacquiao, in his first defenceof the WBO title? Any fool with half a brain can work out that was a dumb ass move.

Numb nut.

[Final round]

I'm pretty sure the Taylor fight was not in the Super Six.

[JimJim2009]

ALI - my friend, you are clueless.

Really, thats a harsh assessment. The facts are out there, they support my viewpoint more than yours:

http://www1.skysports.com/boxing/news/1 ... es-in-july

Refusing a fight with Bradley, just after he defeated Pacquiao, in his first defenceof the WBO title? Any fool with half a brain can work out that was a dumb ass move.

Numb nut.

It's options though, that's the problem. If it was a straight crack at Bradley with no options, then I would be critical of Brook for not taking it. If it had options though, which would undoubtedly be the case, I can understand. Fighters and their managers/promoters want to be in charge of their own destiny when they win the world title, not tied to pre-arranged contracts.

[Parson Cross]

ALI - my friend.
The offer was shit money. Away from home with major options had Brook prevailed.
Against that an eliminator against Saldivia with a guarenteed mandatory slot.
Also home fight on much more money.
Now tell me Mr Bumb nuts Mark 2 what would you have done ?
Clueless.

[lefty]

ALI - my friend.
The offer was poo money. Away from home with major options had Brook prevailed.
Against that an eliminator against Saldivia with a guarenteed mandatory slot.
Also home fight on much more money.
Now tell me Mr Bumb nuts Mark 2 what would you have done ?
Clueless.

Saying that though mate, what did Barker do when he fought Geale?

[ALI]

ALI - my friend.
The offer was poo money. Away from home with major options had Brook prevailed.
Against that an eliminator against Saldivia with a guarenteed mandatory slot.
Also home fight on much more money.
Now tell me Mr Bumb nuts Mark 2 what would you have done ?
Clueless.

What purse was Brook offered for Bradley?
What were the major options?

Crap purse and major options are the classic get out clause for any fight. Talk specifics or dont bring it up.

[gobbles]

ALI - my friend.
The offer was poo money. Away from home with major options had Brook prevailed.
Against that an eliminator against Saldivia with a guarenteed mandatory slot.
Also home fight on much more money.
Now tell me Mr Bumb nuts Mark 2 what would you have done ?
Clueless.

Saying that though mate, what did Barker do when he fought Geale?

Barker backed himself and won. The offer to fight Bradley was $500,000. Can't believe he was paid more for Saldivia

[DMA1987]

ALI - my friend.
The offer was poo money. Away from home with major options had Brook prevailed.
Against that an eliminator against Saldivia with a guarenteed mandatory slot.
Also home fight on much more money.
Now tell me Mr Bumb nuts Mark 2 what would you have done ?
Clueless.

Saying that though mate, what did Barker do when he fought Geale?

That was Barkers only realistic chance of getting a title. And with a body like his there was no real option to hang around.

[lefty]

ALI - my friend.
The offer was poo money. Away from home with major options had Brook prevailed.
Against that an eliminator against Saldivia with a guarenteed mandatory slot.
Also home fight on much more money.
Now tell me Mr Bumb nuts Mark 2 what would you have done ?
Clueless.

Saying that though mate, what did Barker do when he fought Geale?

That was Barkers only realistic chance of getting a title. And with a body like his there was no real option to hang around.

That's a fair point. Just making the argument anyway

[JimJim2009]

Guys, options really can be a killer. If I had my way (as an armchair fan) I would have the bloody things banned. Boxing is a business, the fighters have to earn a living from the sport, and options are bloody awful. At the risk of sounding a hopelessly deluded simpleton, if a fighter wins the world title, he should be able to set his own course. Yes, he has a set of challengers, mandatories etc, but he is the new world champ, and he should embark on his own journey as a world champ, earning a fortune if he can do so. Options tie the guy up before he's even won the world title, setting out how much he gets in his 1st, 2nd and 3rd defence (obviously depending on the actual contractual conditions). Think about why this happens - it is control from the people behind the previous title holder. No doubt a rematch will be in there too, but its the financial control that counts. They are promoting the world champ, their world champ loses, and they have the new world champ under contract. It stinks to high heaven and its why so many fighters work hard and take risks to get into a mandatory slot.

[lefty]

Guys, options really can be a killer. If I had my way (as an armchair fan) I would have the bloody things banned. Boxing is a business, the fighters have to earn a living from the sport, and options are bloody awful. At the risk of sounding a hopelessly deluded simpleton, if a fighter wins the world title, he should be able to set his own course. Yes, he has a set of challengers, mandatories etc, but he is the new world champ, and he should embark on his own journey as a world champ, earning a fortune if he can do so. Options tie the guy up before he's even won the world title, setting out how much he gets in his 1st, 2nd and 3rd defence (obviously depending on the actual contractual conditions). Think about why this happens - it is control from the people behind the previous title holder. No doubt a rematch will be in there too, but its the financial control that counts. They are promoting the world champ, their world champ loses, and they have the new world champ under contract. It stinks to high heaven and its why so many fighters work hard and take risks to get into a mandatory slot.

Well I guess the argument is that if the guy is a voluntary defense and hasnt earned his shot through the mandatory route then he doesnt have the same power in negotiations.

[bobley]

Not really looking good for brook does seem as though he being avoided partly because he does represent a dangerous challenge partly because its a dangerous challenge that wont be mega rewarding a loss against mayweather I would think earns double what a win against brook earns and a loss against brook gets U know where. I think brook beats khan all day so that wont happen but aside from porter there are good fights out there for brook but until he fights some names or gets a title he wont get the fights but if that's the case what's he to do can't wait forever!!

[JimJim2009]

Guys, options really can be a killer. If I had my way (as an armchair fan) I would have the bloody things banned. Boxing is a business, the fighters have to earn a living from the sport, and options are bloody awful. At the risk of sounding a hopelessly deluded simpleton, if a fighter wins the world title, he should be able to set his own course. Yes, he has a set of challengers, mandatories etc, but he is the new world champ, and he should embark on his own journey as a world champ, earning a fortune if he can do so. Options tie the guy up before he's even won the world title, setting out how much he gets in his 1st, 2nd and 3rd defence (obviously depending on the actual contractual conditions). Think about why this happens - it is control from the people behind the previous title holder. No doubt a rematch will be in there too, but its the financial control that counts. They are promoting the world champ, their world champ loses, and they have the new world champ under contract. It stinks to high heaven and its why so many fighters work hard and take risks to get into a mandatory slot.

Well I guess the argument is that if the guy is a voluntary defense and hasnt earned his shot through the mandatory route then he doesnt have the same power in negotiations.

Agreed. In boxing, for a lot of guys, a voluntary slot is the best you're going to get. So the right choice is to take it, make the most of it, and see what happens. There are so many factors - the division could be so chock full of talent, that an average fighter may simply never get to the top contender spot.

You can see it the other way though; if a prospect is worth investing in (he has potential, the right qualities, youth, a good following, is marketable, and will sign a long contract), there is too much at stake to sign an options deal to get a title fight. This is why so many go for the mandatory position. You don't have to sign options that way.

Plus, there is good old fashioned greed. Promoters aren't doing it for love, they're doing it for money. There is money to be made from a new world champion embarking on a reign. Would you want to give most of that profit away to the team who handled the previous title holder ? Like fxxk would be my answer

[Pugilist-specialist]

People are being wise after because Brook-Alexander didn't happen - the scheduled Bradley fight in December also didn't happen.

[rio]

ALI - my friend.
The offer was poo money. Away from home with major options had Brook prevailed.
Against that an eliminator against Saldivia with a guarenteed mandatory slot.
Also home fight on much more money.
Now tell me Mr Bumb nuts Mark 2 what would you have done ?
Clueless.

What purse was Brook offered for Bradley?
What were the major options?

Crap purse and major options are the classic get out clause for any fight. Talk specifics or dont bring it up.

I can only guess the options were he would have had to fight another top rank fighter if he won and would that really be a bad thing.....pac man, Siberin rocky, rios, bradely rematch possibily cotto or marquez.

[DMA1987]

brook was all over wanting a title shot when porter beat alexander.....incase he didn't get the point porter had to destroy paulie....now brook isn't that keen on a shot, regardless of what hes saying......porter by kayo in the mid rounds

What on earth are you basing that on? Pure fantasy?