Rigondeaux vs. Frampton a real possibility?

[jujigatame]

According to Dan Rafael, Rigondeaux's negotiations with the new ROC Nation promotion have broken down, but he also has a promotional offer on the table from allegedly. You'd have to imagine that if allegedly is making Rigondeaux a serious offer, he must have a Frampton unification in mind. Allegedly.

[jujigatame]

BTW, for anyone who doesn't know this already, "allegedly" = Franck Warren.

[handsofstone]

I read Barry McGuigan(Framptons manager) saying today he had a list of preferred options for Carls next fight,im sure it was

1-Santa Cruz
2-Quigg
3-Avalos
4-Mares
5-Gonzalez

I was a bit dissapointed he never mentioned Rigondeaux because however great Guillermo is,i still suspect Carl and co would fancy their chances

In saying that maybe McGuigan feels Frampton should have a couple more fights at championship level before taking on the numero uno

[chucktaylor]

Barry McGuigan's words aren't encouraging: http://www.BS.com/framptons-ma ... ney--81930
He basically said Rigo's not worth facing b/c he's too good and the financial upside is too poor.

[digzee]

Rigo should move up in weight because everyone at super-bantamweight know they will lose, I still live in hope he'll fight Lomachenko, more then likely it'll never happen though.

[giacomino]

Barry McGuigan's words aren't encouraging: http://www.BS.com/framptons-ma ... ney--81930
He basically said Rigo's not worth facing b/c he's too good and the financial upside is too poor.

If true it is another of many examples of how utterly worthless the term "world champion" is when talking about alphabet beltholders. I realize Frampton isn't the one saying it, but how any promoter, trainer, etc. can call their fighter a "champion" while at the same time saying it's not worth the risk to fight the division's best is hypocrisy befitting a congressman

[Boxing Prospect]

Mr W doesn't seem good at paying fighters, I'm sure that won't be lost on Rigo. He should sign with Teiken and say fornicate it to fight the likes of Wake etc in Tokyo

[Crease]

Eddie Hearns has maneuvered Chris Avalos to the IBF Mandatory shot. This will have to be Frampton's next fight, or face losing his new World Title.

[jujigatame]

Eddie Hearns has maneuvered Chris Avalos to the IBF Mandatory shot. This will have to be Frampton's next fight, or face losing his new World Title.

Would be a good fight. I think Avalos would lose but by a closer margin than Kiko lost by.

Still, having a silly IBF mandatory is really not a good reason not to fight Rigo or Santa Cruz. Either way, if you win you've got a title, if you lose you don't.

[lefty]

Eddie Hearns has maneuvered Chris Avalos to the IBF Mandatory shot. This will have to be Frampton's next fight, or face losing his new World Title.

He already was mandatory mate. That's why Hearn got involved because it's a shot at Frampton and Hearn has Quigg, etc.

[Ezzard]

Frampton is not ready for Rigo yet. He needs a little more experience and a little more seasoning but Carl and the McGuigans will want him to fight Rigo soon enough. No doubt they will want to make some money from the title win first…and that seems fair enough

[lefty]

Frampton is not ready for Rigo yet. He needs a little more experience and a little more seasoning but Carl and the McGuigans will want him to fight Rigo soon enough. No doubt they will want to make some money from the title win first…and that seems fair enough

Yeah cant argue with that. I dont like the ducking that goes on in boxing but when it comes to Rigondeaux he's so good but also doesnt have tv backing and doesnt have a big fan base. There's almost no upside to fighting him outside of being the best if you manage to beat him. Obviously all these guys dont really believe they can so there's not even a money incentive there to take the loss to speak.

[Counter-puncher]

No.

[lillywhite14]

Frampton won't ever be ready for this version of Rigo. Different levels completely

In a couple of years or so he could be ready for that version of Rigo though.

Shame, because I like to see fighters challenge themselves but its a money game at the end of the day.

[Ian1973]

It makes no sense for Frampton to fight Rigo. I think Frampton can beat Rigo but the risk is too great for the reward. Financially it makes no sense and even a Frampton win would look scruffy and dull against Rigo. There are bigger financial rewards out there and more exciting fights. McGuigan is doing the right thing. Let Frampton beat the rest then let Rigo chase him if he really wants to. Both fighters are unbeaten, both are world champions and both are very good. Despite the over-rated adulation Rigo gets on here from some, there is no certain number one in this division now. Does Frampton need Rigondeaux?Well if he does Rigondeaux needs Frampton as well. People can speculate all they like but until the two meet there is no evidence that one is better than the other.

[ttornado]

Well if he does Rigondeaux needs Frampton as well.

Rigondeaux is already a unified champ (WBO/WBA), so if Frampton wants to be a unified champ then it's Rigo or Santa Cruz (WBC).

[Ian1973]

Well if he does Rigondeaux needs Frampton as well.

Rigondeaux is already a unified champ (WBO/WBA), so if Frampton wants to be a unified champ then it's Rigo or Santa Cruz (WBC).

He doesn't hold all the belts is the point I was trying to make. The Santa Cruz fight is far more appealing for everyone I would've thought. Frampton could fight Riondeaux now and no more people would be interested than those interested in the Frampton v Martinez fight and for two fighters that are as good as they are that's really sad. Unfortunately Rigo is not a draw. The only way that fight would get the attention it deserves is to work on Frampton's reputation / profile and make him a bigger draw in hte UK and a draw in the US. At the moment Frampton wouldn't be a household name in England not like George Groves or Carl Froch.

[handsofstone]

Well if he does Rigondeaux needs Frampton as well.

Rigondeaux is already a unified champ (WBO/WBA), so if Frampton wants to be a unified champ then it's Rigo or Santa Cruz (WBC).

What about a unification wity Quigg

I see the WBA must have realised that even the casual fan knew that the "Regular" title was a paper belt solely on the word "Regular"

So now the regular champs are now just plain old WBA champ and the there's more emphasis on the word "Super" when it comes to the real champ

Rigo's a super super bantamweight champion

If the WBA wanted to piss about with titles,why didnt they choose a word other than super that wasnt in the name of half the weight divisions?

[ttornado]

He doesn't hold all the belts is the point I was trying to make.

The point I'm making is that Rigondeaux holds twice as many belts as Frampton, and is universally recognised on P4P lists. Frampton isn't at that level, not to say he'll never be but he will have to up the work rate if he ever fights Rigondeaux. He took minutes off against Martinez which Rigondeaux would of punished. Conversely pressure is the way to beat Rigondeaux, and Frampton is capable of intense pressure but can he maintain it for 12 rounds?

[Ian1973]

He doesn't hold all the belts is the point I was trying to make.

The point I'm making is that Rigondeaux holds twice as many belts as Frampton, and is universally recognised on P4P lists. Frampton isn't at that level, not to say he'll never be but he will have to up the work rate if he ever fights Rigondeaux. He took minutes off against Martinez which Rigondeaux would of punished. Conversely pressure is the way to beat Rigondeaux, and Frampton is capable of intense pressure but can he maintain it for 12 rounds?

Rigondeaux is a classy counterpuncher, if the two fought I could see it being a total bore with both men standing off wanting to counter. I doubt Frampton would take the fight to Rigondeaux I think he'd fight on the backfoot. Could be a near impossible fight to score with hardly a punch being thrown.

Maybe I'm seeing it all wrong???

[ttornado]

Donaire put Rigondeaux down by rushing in and fighting on the inside. I can't see Frampton outboxing Rigo, you don't want to give Rigo more time than necessary if you're trying to win.

[expe]

He doesn't hold all the belts is the point I was trying to make.

The point I'm making is that Rigondeaux holds twice as many belts as Frampton, and is universally recognised on P4P lists. Frampton isn't at that level, not to say he'll never be but he will have to up the work rate if he ever fights Rigondeaux. He took minutes off against Martinez which Rigondeaux would of punished. Conversely pressure is the way to beat Rigondeaux, and Frampton is capable of intense pressure but can he maintain it for 12 rounds?

Unless you're an incredible pressure fighter, pressure isn't the way to beat him, he's too quick and too good for that. He wants to fight on the back foot, all you do is play into his hands by coming forward at him, let him come forward, take him out of his comfort zone. It's easier to take a breather against Rigo than a fighter like Martinez, Kiko's constantly putting you under pressure and he's dangerous from first bell to last, it's hard to find the room to take time out. Rigo isn't that sort of fighter, he's looking to counter punch, not back you up onto the ropes, as long as you're not hurt and you keep him occupied he won't come forward and the space is there to take a round off when needed, if you're not throwing, he's not countering.

[ttornado]

if you're not throwing, he's not countering.

You're also not winning rounds, that ends up looking like the Agbeko fight.

[Badhusker]

Rigo vs either Frampton or Cruz are awesome fights for the light guys.

[Counter-puncher]

He doesn't hold all the belts is the point I was trying to make.

The point I'm making is that Rigondeaux holds twice as many belts as Frampton, and is universally recognised on P4P lists. Frampton isn't at that level, not to say he'll never be but he will have to up the work rate if he ever fights Rigondeaux. He took minutes off against Martinez which Rigondeaux would of punished. Conversely pressure is the way to beat Rigondeaux, and Frampton is capable of intense pressure but can he maintain it for 12 rounds?

Unless you're an incredible pressure fighter, pressure isn't the way to beat him, he's too quick and too good for that. He wants to fight on the back foot, all you do is play into his hands by coming forward at him, let him come forward, take him out of his comfort zone. It's easier to take a breather against Rigo than a fighter like Martinez, Kiko's constantly putting you under pressure and he's dangerous from first bell to last, it's hard to find the room to take time out. Rigo isn't that sort of fighter, he's looking to counter punch, not back you up onto the ropes, as long as you're not hurt and you keep him occupied he won't come forward and the space is there to take a round off when needed, if you're not throwing, he's not countering.

but if you stand off a guy with that kind of speed, you're giving him a really good chance to just pot-shot you to death. countering that kind of speed- especially a southpaw where it's more difficult to establish your jab- is a difficult ask.