Classic American West Coast Boxing

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Chuck1052 wrote:It has been reported that Charley Powell, a former National Football League player and heavyweight who was active during the 1950s and 1960s, has passed away at the age of 81.

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Chuck,sorry to hear this. The Powell brothers were pillars of the community in San Diego. I'm sure Charley Norkus feels this with great sorrow. Roger :salut:
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Roger, Charley Powell's obituary was in today's edition of the Los Angeles Times.

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He Picked The Wrong Sport

I didn't know that Charley Powell had passed away last Monday. Chuck Johnston posted the sad news. Charley had come down from LA to San Diego to attend a family reunion on Labor Day. He died in his home town.Powell was a local legend.He attended San Diego High School and was All Everything in every sport he participated in.Straight out of high school in 1951 he got on with the San Francisco 49ers when the team was in the old American Football Conference.He earned a game ball his first year when he was only 19.Later ,playing defensive end,he sacked the Detroit Lions Bobby Layne 10 times in a single game. The same Lions team that were the NFL champs. It was a time when sacks weren't recorded statistically,but there are a plethora of pro football "d" lineman who never accomplished 10 sacks in their entire careers.

Reading Charley's obituary in the LA Times.his younger brother,Art,shed some light on his big brother's athletic career.Art,by the way,went on to become an All Pro receiver for the Jets and the Raiders. Art said that Charley always wanted to be a professional fighter. Even while playing football,Charley would go to the gym in the off season and practice the sweet science.Suey Welch and the ex middleweight champ handled the raw talent.But younger bro Art summed it up pretty well looking back on Charley's ring experience. Art said that Charley was rushed. A absence of amateur preparation. A lack of quality sparring partners. And opposition he wasn't ready for.Welch and Jones should have moved him to New York to cut his teeth.Not many quality heavyweights on the West Coast,. All these factors led to a un up and down career.

Charley won 25.lost 11 times,and was stopped in seven of those defeats. He stopped Nino Valdes,a top rated contender,but when Charley was put in with Charley Norkus,a veteran of many big fights in big venues back East,Charley broke down in his back yard in the Bay Area.He fought Norkus in a rematch in San Diego and won a decision. Later, after he had returned to pro football, he came up short against a young Cassius Clay and an older Floyd Patterson.Still thought he had the goods.

I remember Charley and Art Powell after their pro careers were behind them. They were always at all the big events in Southeast San diego,dressed immaculately,always dignified,admired in the community. Two gentlemen who stood out. When their younger brother Jerry's(Jerry was also quite a football player) old coach,Shan Deniston, at Lincoln High School was inducted into the San Diego Sports Hall of Fame,the brothers were in attendance.All eyes were on them.The last time I spoke to Charley was a few years back when he was inducted into the Californid Boxing Hall of Fame. I asked him how he was doing and how Art was getting along. He said everyone was fine in that humble polite manner that was carried with his strong presence. He was still a big powerful man.

But hindsight is always 20/20,or it is certainly better focused than the vision ahead.Maybe Charley wouldn't have second guessed himself,but everyone I always talked to who was into the prep sports scene in San Diego,wished that Charley would have not taken off his helmet. He was a dominant force on the football field. His potential was not so much in the squared circle. Charley was big and strong and heavily muscled. He threw his punches wide and as big as he was he wasn't as durable in the ring as was on the gridiron.

Art powell is a legend in pro football annals. Charley Powell could have been also. He was that talented. But he wanted to be a fighter.Maybe he wasn't that good a pro fighter,but as a battler outside the ring,he was a champion.

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Picture On The Wall

I needed to get away for awhile.I needed a change of scenery. We've all got our reasons. So I decided to spend a week in San Francisco. I stayed in a hotel in the North Beach section of the city.That's where Little Italy is.It's my kind of action. Good food.Lively clubs.And plenty of Italians that are old school. They've lived in the area all their lives. Follow the trolley tracks down the hill and there's Fisherman's Wharf. More Italian food.The seafood type.Between the sausage and peppers and the clam chowder in the sourdough bowls and oysters on the half shell,I must have put on ten pounds.

My room at the hotel consisted of a small bed and a chair.But all I needed was a place to crash at the end of the day.I bought a ticket on line to go to a Giant game.I hopped a trolley that left me off downtown. I was early so I did some walking around prior to the gates opening . I found at local sports bar on a corner and decided to relax and get something to eat and drink before proceeding to the ball park.The Asian waitress put a menu in front of me and after a quick perusing ordered a hot link sandwich and a bottle of beer.

I noticed there were a lot of sports pictures adorning then walls. Mostly local athletes and teams. Some of the pictures went back pretty far.In the corner, high on the wall next to where I was perched, was an old black and white of two boxers going at it inside the ring. One I made out for sure was Jake LaMotta. The other guy I wasn't too sure about. The other fighter,I'm pretty sure was Bob Murphy. I took a chance and asked the Asian B girl.
"Oh,I don't know ,"she said.
It was probably the first time anyone was interested.
"Picture look like it 20 years old,"she said picking up the menu. She never looked at the picture.

I squinted real hard and then made up my mind it had to be Bob Murphy.Yes ,it couldn't have been anyone else.LaMotta's face was pretty bloodied up.Both men were in awkward positions.The picture wasn't very big compared to the other pictures. It was by itself on the other side of a doorway that led to a small dining room that was empty.Most of the other photos were in color. They were of local teams like the Giants and 49ers.There were also signed photographs of Joe Montana and Willie Mays . Those glossies were hanging on the wall in back of the bar.

I got to thinking. Jake LaMotta wasn't a bay athlete,so the intent was to highlight the other guy, Irish Bob Murphy. He was a west coast attraction.After LaMotta couldn't answer the bell for the 7th round in New York,Murphy was matched with Joey Maxim for the light heavy title. Murphy,the favorite ,couldn't find Joey.I knew a guy named Earl Anderson who used to train with Irish Bob.Anderson told me he went in Murphy'ds dressing room before the Maxim fight to give his pal a slap on the back,but when he went inside,he saw Murphy smashing up all the furniture in the dressing room.Anderson said the wiseguys made bundle that night.

After consuming the links and the beer I walked a block to the new AT@T Park. The ballpark was more interesting to watch than the game. After 4 innings I got up and left.I was freezing my ass off. My San Diego blood was too thin for San Fran.As I was shivering and stumbling down the street trying to flag a cab I thought about Bob Murphy and how he came up short with his career as a boxer. After coming back to the west coast with no title belt around his waist,he wound up landing in palookaville.The way I was staggering along the street trying to keep from collapsing to the pavement because of the cold,I felt I was in the same burg that Murphy finally took residence.The difference was I never took any punches.
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Roger, My brother, Ed, and I saw the San Francisco Giants play at Candlestick Park a number of times during the 1980s. It can be cold and windy in San Francisco at times, especially at Candlestick. In fact, I have been told that it is warmer and less windy at AT&T Park than at Candlestick much of the time. However, I have never been in AT&T Park, so I can't compare the weather at the two stadiums.

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Chuck1052 wrote:Roger, My brother, Ed, and I saw the San Francisco Giants play at Candlestick Park a number of times during the 1980s. It can be cold and windy in San Francisco at times, especially at Candlestick. In fact, I have been told that it is warmer and less windy at AT&T Park than at Candlestick much of the time. However, I have never been in AT&T Park, so I can't compare the weather at the two stadiums.

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Mark Twain once said,"The coldest winter I ever experienced was when I spent a summer in San Francisco." :OhYes:
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Irish Bob Murphy became very popular in Boston during his eastern campaign and wound up marrying a Mass. girl. He remained in Boston until 1961 when he died in an auto accident. His wife and daughter are frequent guests at boxing affairs around Boston. Murphy also was one of the greatest drawing cards in San Diego history along with Long Tom Hawkins, Johnny "the Bandit" Romero, Jackie Coggins, the Hogue twins, Archie Moore and Ken Norton etc. He never resided in Palookaville. No disrespect.
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Other popular San Diego boxers included Red Watson, Ernie Goozeman, Russ Pierce ("The Human Slat") and Lee Ramage. Other fighters with some connection to San Diego included Frank Fields, George Thompson, Charley Feraci, Ramon "Ray" Montoya, Charlie Cobb, Indian Mike Payan, Husky Velasco, Swede Berglund and Al Trulmans.

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Skid Marks

"So are you Italian?"
"Not if I can help it,"answered the man who walked out to greet the people in our wine tasting tour.
I decided to spend a day traveling on the bus to Sonoma and Napa counties to visit some of the local wineries.The last stop on the tour was the Andretti Winery in Napa. After retiring from racing,Andretti got into the wine business. When I got off the bus with the others,I asked the the fellow with the sandy hair and the knit shirt who came out to greet us if he was a goomba.I think he thought I was being smart with him. I joked and said I was Italian and that I know what good wine tastes like.He didn't respond to my overture.

As in the two previous stops at wineries in Sonoma county,the presenters poured us a glass of sovereign blanc.I couldn't tell the differences between the three,but I liked them all.The guy with the sandy hair explained that grapes don't necessarily need good soil to grow good grapes. He said the soil however needs to have good drainage.He and the other guy who was also a presenter (he looked and dressed a lot like the guy doing most of the talking) said something about how the grapes in Napa county tasted different than the grapes in Sonoma county because of their proximities to the bay area.They also talked about irrigating the grapes and how the grapes are aged in the kegs. I tried to keep up with what they were saying,but I couldn't register most of it.The main guy doing most of the talking and said he could care less about being Italian, would tell the other guy when to start us off on a different kind of wine. I didn't want to switch so I had the helper pour me more of the sovereign blanc.

After the lecture on all the wine,I thought about impressing the sandy haired guy with telling him that I have a sister who's really into wine and can tell by tasting a glass of wine can tell you what kind it is,what year it was bottled,and what part of the vineyard the grapes were grown.
"I can do that too.,"he said without a blink.
He then turned to the guy who was doing the pouring.
"I've had my own wine store for 30 years and have a degree in oneology from Sonoma State Universirty.I also owned a small vineyard."
(When I got back to San Diego,I looked up the word"oneology" in the dictionary.It's someone who,in a nutshell,knows everything about wine.)

We had free time to walk around the winery. There wasn't much going on. It was real peaceful and nice. The sun was a welcome pleasure from the wind of the San Francisco bay.I sat at a picnic table and sipped my sovereign blanc. A big tomcat was stretched out beside me sunning himself.The view of the grape vines and the surrounding hills made me feel like taking a nap. There was a slight warm breeze that would gust off and on.I felt far away from San Francisco.

Before I returned to the bus,I strolled inside the gift shop. I bought a shirt for my sister( who is into wine) that had Mario Andretti Winery inscribed on the front. On the wall there wee photographs of Mario Andretti driving his race car at different racing venues.There was a big picture of him in his racing uniform holding his helmet. He was receiving a big trophy.I think it was after he won the Indianapolis 500.

I got nack on the bus with the others. It was a long ride back to San Francisco,but I fell asleep.It must have been the sovereign blanc.
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Pluckin' Around

I decided if I was going to spend a week in San Francisco,I wasn't going to stay in a high end hotel.So I rented a room that made the homeless shelter look like the Ritz. The owners,I found out later,were from India and couldn't speak English. Their kids had to do the interpreting. I knew what I wanted to do and didn't want to waste my money on a place to go to sleep. This joint was up a flight of stairs above a comedy club. I'm telling you this hotel was a joke.I could have worked up a routine on this place and run it by the audience downstairs.

North Beach is at the center of Little Italy and the proximity to Fisherman's Wharf and China Town was stompin' grounds for me. I had a couple of ducats to an A's game and a Giants game and between the rapid transit and the 30 bus,I wasn't in need of finding a tour guide. Besides,I like to walk around and soak in the surroundings.Observing people is one of my hobbies. A slow walk is the perfect vehicle to take in the aura.

The first night I wound up ordering up a Chicago Beef and pepper sandwich from Tony's Neopolitan restaurant next to Washington Park. It was about two blocks from my flop house. I gripped the sandwich and sauntered over to Washington Park to chow it down on a park bench. They were showing some avant garde foreign flick in the park and all thsse left bank types had parked their butts on the grass to do some serious viewing. The movie was made in Belgium and it had sub titles that you couldn't read unless you were face up to the screen. The movie stunk and I don't think anyone was paying attention to it after five or ten minutes. I wasn't going to sit through it even if the vagabonds didn't want to lose face and get up and leave. But I wanted to do something else. Anything but sit through that pseudo whatever.

After filling my stomach with Tony's masterpiece of what a real sandwich is all about,I got up off the park bench and decided to just walk around. Anything would be better than watching that film that was a recipe for blowing out your brains.I tripped by this little place taking it for granted when I heard this guitar music emanating from within. At first I thought it was a juke box or something similar. I stopped and looked through the window. No,the sounds were coming from some guy playing an old Gibson with a small amp. His sidemen consisted of a drummer and an acoustic bass.I decided to sit in and took a stool at the bar. The place was small and the décor looked like it was thrown together haphazardly.A few so so paintings on the wall probably done by some local artist.A menu on the wall that featured mostly fondues and salads.There was a bartender missing his uppers that was there to provide service. A couple sat at a small table near the musicians. There was no bandstand. The trio played in a corner of the room. But the atmosphere didn't matter to me. In fact the place wasn't pretentious. It was take it or leave it.It wasn't set up for tourists.My kind of joint.

I told the bartender to put a Chianti in front of me. I told him to never let my glass get empty.I wanted to listen to the guitarist. I had stumbled onto something. Something that was magic in a bottle. A little glass bottle on a gray block in North Beach.

The guitar player was an older guy with gray hair that was doing a retreat from his forehead. He wore spectacles,old levis,a flannel shirt,and sandals.The sidemen ,I think, shopped for their clothes at the same thrift shop as their leader As I sat in this bar that I didn't even know the name of,I felt myself being drawn in by the sounds resonating from the Gibson that this old white guy was playing.

Now I know what good jazz sounds like,at least to my tastes.This plucker had the goods. I wasn't imagining.It wasn't like,hey I'm here in a dingy joint in North Beach and I walked into Wes Montgomery incarnated.I didn't have to fantasize. This was something special. How was this guy playing for tips blew my mind. Song after song.West Coast Blues,Donna Lee,Billie's Bounce,Straight No
Chaser.Most of the stuff was Bop and standards.But it's never the tunes.It's how they're played. The old guy played like Wes playing chords like single notes and when he played single notes,he was cleaner than Wes. His improvising was fluid and swung and he never struggled. He was a gas and his foot was on the pedal all night long. When the trio took a break ,I asked him if I could buy the group a drink.
"No thanks. We're takin' care of."
"Tell me,do you play with your thumb?"
He broke into a smile and showed me a small piece of a guitar pick.
"No,I use a pick,"He answered.
" I don't want to blow no smoke at you,but you can really play that old' gittar.'"
"Thank you.I'm struggling a little tonight,"he said."I'll try do better the second set."
"You live around here?"
"Yes,I got a break on a place up the hill.I'm there with some other musicians."
"How often do you play here?"
"I'm here every Sunday night.I want to tell you I really appreciate your support."
After finishing his drink,he returned with his sidemen and they continued playing.

Maybe he got inspired about what I told him about his playing because he took it up another level.I couldn't believe me and a couple sitting at table' playing with their cell phones, was all the appreciation this group could muster.

Towards midnight,the bartender walked up to the musicians and said something. The group started to break down their instruments. The guitar player thanked the three of us for our support. He said his group was available for parties and weddings. Parties and weddings. That's like resurrecting Charlie Parker to play for he womens' bridge club. I looked inside the guitar player's case. It was empty. I tossed a twenty into it.
"Thank you again,"he said ."It's good that you know good jazz. I'm old and still like the old stuff I guess.'
"But you don't play old."
"Hope to see you again. We're here every Sunday. Right now it's all we have going."

I shook his hand and the hands of the sidemen.I was feeling the wine.It was completely dark outside . I thought maybe this was like something Jack Kerouac might have experienced when he was slumming in North Beach. Staying in a run down hotel,getting drunk,and listening to jazz. Then he'd put it down on paper. I decided to do the same. As I staggered down to my hotel my foot stumbled onto a cable car track. I tried to catch my balance,but fell in the street. I struggled up and looked around. I wondered if Jack Kerouac fell in the street in San Francisco. Probably a lot of times.Then I thought I wasn't like him. Besides,today everbody acts like Jack Kerouac.

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The Alan Hightman Trio at The Melt.North Beach, San Francisco.


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Wild Guess

I had a few students during my tenure as a teacher who indulged in the sport of boxing. None of them got very far. To tell the truth their journeys consisted of about getting a toe out the door. I remember this one kid who thought he was going to lick the world. He had been practicing at a gym in Imperial Beach that was one of those mixed martial arts places. He said his trainer had never been a fighter,but had participated in some karate matches. The kid,who's name was Bobby,brought in a tape of himself sparring with a tall black kid.Both boys were welters. The black kid looked like he'd had some skills and kept Bobby on his heals.The black kid was playing with him.

I liked Bobby. He was a toe head with a squatty body and short arms. He was trim and had good wind,but his style wasn't conducive for his frame. Bobby thought he could box like Ali. Instead of crouching to make him a smaller target and pressing,he stood straight up and wanted to box in the center of the ring.After lending me the tape of his sparring session,I told him that he wasn't taking advantage of his potential.

Bobby shrugged my opinion off and said that the tape was old and that he'd gotten a lot better as a fighter.He told me he was ruffing up his opposition at the gym and that he had gone through the steps with the commission to get his license.Bobby said his first amateur fight was the upcoming Saturday at the Boys Club in Southeast San Diego. He wanted me there.I asked him who he was fighting,but he didn't know. He said it didn't matter. He'd knock the guy out.

When he told me that he was going to ice his first opponent in his amateur debut,I smiled and nodded my head.I didn't want to get anymore involved. He had a trainer.His mind was made up.One thing I learned about fighting is don't put your two cents in where it doesn't belong, especially if it's negative.Give a pat on the back and leave it at that.I 've known a few locker room lawyers that were asked to leave a training camp because they didn't want to get on the "winning team."

So that Saturday afternoon I went to see Bobby break his cherry. .Bobby was matched with an undeafeted Mexican kid who had had several amateur fights. The word circulating at the Boys Club was the the Mexican kid was honing his skills at the CREA Gym in TJ. That gym was loaded with talent from fighters from all parts of Mexico. I heard talk that the Mexican was training with pro guys.

When the two combatants touched gloves,I got the impression that Bobby was now face to face with reality.He knew what he was up against. He couldn't fight this guy with his mouth.The Mexican kid had all his relatives and friends there at the Boys Club. There were even some of the fighters from the CREA to watch him perform.Bobby had me to cheer him on.

The fight,or should say the match,didn't go very long.Bobby instead of leading with his left,left his chin out there standing tall in the middle of the ring so the Mexican kid clipped him with the ol' one two.The seconds hadn't even got back down from the ring apron when Bobby hit the canvas face first. The referee raced over and bent down to remove Bobby's mouth guard. I could hear Bobby moaning.It was just Bobby and the ref.The Mexican kid's corner was full of hysteria as his buddies hoisted him up and carried him around the ring. I climbed through the ropes passing Bobby's trainer. He wasn't moving too fast.

The sad part about the whole thing was that Bobby never returned to school. I tried to hunt him down. He lived in an apartment with his aunt in Imperial Beach. When I went over there,she said that he'd gone down to the recruitment center.I told her that the Army wouldn't take him unless he had his high school diploma.She told me that isn't what he told her.

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dagosd2000 wrote:Wild Guess

I had a few students during my tenure as a teacher who indulged in the sport of boxing. None of them got very far. To tell the truth their journeys consisted of about getting a toe out the door. I remember this one kid who thought he was going to lick the world. He had been practicing at a gym in Imperial Beach that was one of those mixed martial arts places. He said his trainer had never been a fighter,but had participated in some karate matches. The kid,who's name was Bobby,brought in a tape of himself sparring with a tall black kid.Both boys were welters. The black kid looked like he'd had some skills and kept Bobby on his heals.The black kid was playing with him.

I liked Bobby. He was a toe head with a squatty body and short arms. He was trim and had good wind,but his style wasn't conducive for his frame. Bobby thought he could box like Ali. Instead of crouching to make him a smaller target and pressing,he stood straight up and wanted to box in the center of the ring.After lending me the tape of his sparring session,I told him that he wasn't taking advantage of his potential.

Bobby shrugged my opinion off and said that the tape was old and that he'd gotten a lot better as a fighter.He told me he was ruffing up his opposition at the gym and that he had gone through the steps with the commission to get his license.Bobby said his first amateur fight was the upcoming Saturday at the Boys Club in Southeast San Diego. He wanted me there.I asked him who he was fighting,but he didn't know. He said it didn't matter. He'd knock the guy out.

When he told me that he was going to ice his first opponent in his amateur debut,I smiled and nodded my head.I didn't want to get anymore involved. He had a trainer.His mind was made up.One thing I learned about fighting is don't put your two cents in where it doesn't belong, especially if it's negative.Give a pat on the back and leave it at that.I 've known a few locker room lawyers that were asked to leave a training camp because they didn't want to get on the "winning team."

So that Saturday afternoon I went to see Bobby break his cherry. .Bobby was matched with an undeafeted Mexican kid who had had several amateur fights. The word circulating at the Boys Club was the the Mexican kid was honing his skills at the CREA Gym in TJ. That gym was loaded with talent from fighters from all parts of Mexico. I heard talk that the Mexican was training with pro guys.

When the two combatants touched gloves,I got the impression that Bobby was now face to face with reality.He knew what he was up against. He couldn't fight this guy with his mouth.The Mexican kid had all his relatives and friends there at the Boys Club. There were even some of the fighters from the CREA to watch him perform.Bobby had me to cheer him on.

The fight,or should say the match,didn't go very long.Bobby instead of leading with his left,left his chin out there standing tall in the middle of the ring so the Mexican kid clipped him with the ol' one two.The seconds hadn't even got back down from the ring apron when Bobby hit the canvas face first. The referee raced over and bent down to remove Bobby's mouth guard. I could hear Bobby moaning.It was just Bobby and the ref.The Mexican kid's corner was full of hysteria as his buddies hoisted him up and carried him around the ring. I climbed through the ropes passing Bobby's trainer. He wasn't moving too fast.

The sad part about the whole thing was that Bobby never returned to school. I tried to hunt him down. He lived in an apartment with his aunt in Imperial Beach. When I went over there,she said that he'd gone down to the recruitment center.I told her that the Army wouldn't take him unless he had his high school diploma.She told me that isn't what he told her.

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Rog, I experienced one of those Bobby moments also. A number of years back, when I was an amateur official, one of the more mundane things we had to do was help out with registration. So the GG's are coming up and we had all kinds coming in, but one unattached dude comes up to me with his app filled out and I looked at it and said to him, "You're 32?" He said, "Yeah, I figure I may as well do this now before it gets any later." I asked if he had done anything formal before but soon realized he was just bar tough. OK, like you, I didn't give any negativity, signed him up and spotted bar tough the night of his fight. I grabbed a dog in between bouts I was judging and checked out with interest to see what he could do. The kid he was fighting I knew well. He had been fighting in tournies for a few years and was all of 16. His name was Gerald Burnett and he wore the monicker 'Tank' on the back of his vest. The bell rings and bar-tough walks out to meet his destiny. He goes into his stance and I mutter in between bites of my dog, "Oh, mother of God!". Y'see, bar-tough, who never had learned anything formal, has his left hand draped down by his knee. Well, Burnett must have muttered the same thing because with one quick overhand right it was over. The doctor comes racing into the ring because bar-tough is flat out and the doc breaks off an ammonia capsule under his nose. The Doc is now getting nervous because there is no response. Finally, after breaking off a second capsule, bar-tough comes around. He met his destiny and I'm sure he went back to his bar without ever mentioning what a 16 year old did to him, because I never saw him stroll into registration ever again.
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La Vie En Rose

I was watching the documentary about the Ali/Holmes fight.That match has been discussed more than the weekend football games around all the water coolers at the office on Monday mornings. So I don't have too much more to add.However,one thing jumped out at me during a question posed to Angelo Dundee."Couldn't you see in training camp that Ali had lost it?"
Angelo retorted back as fast as Ali's jab against Ernie Terrell.
"He was my guy.I never see my guy in a true light."
He'd probably thought about that a lot. Everyone in Ali's camp gave it the same run over.George Youngblood shook his head and said after two rounds it was apparent. Ali had lost it. Gene Kilroy,Ali's business manager,wanted to put 50 grand down on the ex champ.When Ali caught wind of it,he told his pal not to go through with the bet. The only guy who left camp was Ferdie Pacheco. Maybe being a doctor had something to do with it. Even the Nevada commission docs gave Ali a pass with his health. Maybe the money had something to do with it.But getting back to what Angelo said. When he said he never saw his "guy in a true light"it made me think. How much do we kid ourselves every day?

There are always hints and foreshadowings that indicate what the outcome will be.But in this day ,especially, you can market and mold opinions ala a Madison Avenue CEO. What you see is not what you always get.Delusion is mantra.Lefty Rosenthal who made book for the mob out of Vegas put feelings and emotions aside when he added up his final numbers. Beating the spread isn't derived by looking at the stars.Granted,Holmes was a favorite...a slight favorite. But the people idolized Ali.He was a legend in his own time. I guess if enough fans put their hard earned dough on him,that would push him across the finish line ahead of Larry. We'd seen it before with Frazier and Foreman.

Ali was not only Angelo's guy,but our guy. We saw him at the end through rose colored glasses.But those type of lenses are not for the color blind.
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A Birthday Gift

My wife said that she was going to a birthday part in Chula Vista .A gal my wife worked with cleaning fish for Anthony's seafood restaurants invited her to celebrate her mother's 90th birthday. The part was at her friend's sister's house. Which sister I didn't know because her mother had 19 kids. All of them are still living so it could have been anyone of them.At least the ones on the female side.

Sometimes I like to go to something like this. A wedding.A quincienera.A bautisma. I know there will be a lot of food, music,and drinking. Usually a salon is rented,but the birthday party was going to be at a house. I'm sure they had a big back yard.

The plan was that I was going to babysit the dogs,but my daughter came over and said that she'd watch our poodles. Her dog was lonesome and wanted company.So with that offer I kind of agreed to go with my wife. I knew everyone there would be speaking Spanish even if most of the guests could manage broken English.I'd be the only gringo,but I knew I could break out my rudiments of Spanish and easily get by. Sometimes though a Mexican would talk to me one on one in English. That was to impress the others more than me. He could show the others he was more fluent in English than they were.

By now an event like this fits like glove. In fact the Latino thing has always felt more natural. I don't care what anyone says. The dago blood in me is what makes it happen. Don't get me wrong. There can be a problem. It's just that I understand what's happening.

When my wife and I arrived I could see that this was going to be a special event. The mother is 90. Her family wanted to put together a really beeeeg show.Red ,green,and white streamers hung over overhead. Paper mache figures of angels were placed on all the tables.Paper plates with assorted pastries for the guests to eat or take home were also added . The party was catered.Carne asada was the main course. Tostadas de camarones were the starters, Bottles of tequila,whiskey,and brandy had been placed of the white table cloths. And it wasn't the trendy brands. Johnny Walker,Pedro Domecq,and Hornitos. None of the new overpriced booze that is pushed in the gringo bars. The beer was Modelo .There were plenty of waiters and bartenders. As I sat at one of the many tables with my wife,I knew I was going to experience a genuine Mexican fiesta.

But what is a Mexican party without music? The first group to play was a nortena group.I've never been disappointed with music at a Mexican party.These musicians might be low on the radar,but they know their audience and they play with plenty of emotion.It was too early for much dancing ,and besides,the food hadn't come out yet. I saw a big parrilla in the corner of the back yard. I could smell the carne asada crackling on the grill.As the the nortena band finished playing the waiters brought out the food.

As everyone was chomping down ,I could see the Sinaloan tambora group forming on the bandstand. It was time to work off those calories on the dance floor,or more presicely, the dance lawn.They played loud and fast and each song seemed to last a half hour. But Mexicans love to dance and can go at it longer and better than anyone else.I'l get out there for a spell,but I run out of gas and go back to my drink.

After a marathon of pandemonium,I could see that there was another group of musicians gathering on the side.They were wearing tuxedos.I asked the gal who used to work with my wife the name of the band. She stunned me.
"Los Angeles Negros."
Shaken ,I asked,"The real Los Angeles Negros?"
"Yes,"she replied."My brother is friends with Mario Guiteirrez."
I was unaware that the Los Angeles Negros still existed. They were the number one Latino group for romantic songs during the late 60's and 70's. The played the songs for the novios. The songs for the late night when you were ready to come down fron the loudness and slow your thinking. A music that summoned the deeper emotions. The more valuable feelings. Love instead of energy.Not a short passion. Something eternal.But it's music that is better listened to in the night. Under stars. Hearing the grillos in the colonias.The cahuamas about empty. Music for the novios.

The Los Angeles Negros played. It was them alright. I couldn't belive it. It was the same sound. The old sound. It was almost haunting ,yet dreamlike. The memories flooded from deep down inside. Memories that I probably wouldn't have thought of again ,but the music awoke the thoughts. When I proposed to my wife inside Cine Zaragosa next to Pargue Guerrero.The wedding before the justice of the peace at the Palacio Municipal. The two day honeymoon at Estero Beach at the little hotel in Ensenada.Oh,I could never forget those times,but I hadn't gone back there much. And when I did.my memories were just for recall.But the Los Angeles Negros surged those days back up from the shadows, and when emerge, the old passion shook my body. As I listened to the music,the tears began to trickle down my cheeks. But when I looked around at the other couples,los novios todavias, I saw the same tears.

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Somebody Up There

I've never known a fighter that's a professed atheist.Only an idiot would want to walk into a boxing gym and try to run by Darwinism to a pug that's trying to put food on his family's table partaking in the toughest sport around.How many times after a fighter emerges victorious and then has the microphone thrust in his face with a question like "What do you attribute to your victory?" and the tired,but humble warrior answers "First I want to thank God." The odds of a fighter not saying that after a match is about as remote as him saying "I owe my success to the process of natural selection." The day I hear that answer is the day I'll lose my romanticism for the sport.

Fighting is bound by faith. It's an endeavor that pushes a man beyond what he thinks he's capable of achieving. To mince words with fatalistic dogma in the boxing brotherhood is a ticket to get one's ass kicked out to the street.I guess you could say it's a fighter's interpretation of the Big Bang Theory. How many times have I've seen fighters "cross" themselves before each round,or all the tattoos ,especially on the Latino fighters' arms,shoulders,and backs ,of the Virgin of Guadalupe.For some esoteric know it all to try to bait a fighter into a discussion on the validity of God would be an invitation to see "natural selection " in action. I'm sure fighters believe in survival of the fittest,but that belief is predicated in their faith to attain it.

I knew a fighter in TJ named Chuy that fought on the undercards at many venues around the city. I think he lost more than he won. I don't think he ever made more than a few hundred dollars for one of his battles in the ring.To supplement what he made fighting he drove a cab at night. He had a wife and three kids. If you asked him how things were going,he'd smile and say,"Bien gracias.Y tu?"He'd ask about how your wife and kids were doing. He'd ask if your parents were doing well. You could tell he was a fighter.You'd just have to look at his face.He wore a crucifix around his neck. He went to mass every Sunday with his wife and kids. He made sure his mother got to the church too. When he said he had a fight lined up,I'd tell him to knock the guy out for me. He'd then smile,pause,and say "If God wants it." That way if he didn't win he wouldn't feel too bad.
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I Can See Clearly Now

I decided to walk across the old bridge into Ciudad ,Juarez from El Paso. I was looking for my favorite fighter Jose Napoles. In my hand was the portrait I made of him some years ago. I get these impulse and need to follow through with them. I had read various articles recently that he lived in Juarez and had a gym. He was struggling financially and physically. He had a wife who looked after him. Friends,and even a figure like Carlos Slim the billionare,made sure he wasn't put out in the street.There was enough money there to make ,in my vision,life tolerable for the greatest fighter I ever saw do combat in the ring. But I wanted to see for myself.

I attempted to look for him on Saturday afternoon. I walked across the bridge with my painting noticing that there weren't many people crossing the bridge into Juarez.Unlike the heavy foot traffic that crosses into Tijuana from San Diego,there was only an old Mexican couple holding hands slowly walking up the sidewalk of the bridge ahead of me. The sun was bearing down and the heat made me sweat profusely.After turning the curve on the downslope,I saw a female Mexican immigration officer searching a man's backpack. There was no anxiety in her motions nor with his reaction. She was working alone. Her efforts were probably an excuse for her to show that she was doing something. After reaching the otherside I became aware of the quietness. The heat.The glare. The slow movements of the few people in the area made me think that this city couldn't be the murder capital of the world. It would take too much energy to kill somebody.

At the bottom of the ramp I asked a soldier where I could find a taxi. He politely motioned for me to walk to the traffic light and cross the street.The light was red ,but there were no cars at the intersection. I saw three taxi cabs parked at the corner. I didn't see anyone sitting inside the cabs.As I neared the taxis and old gray haired man wearing a crumpled fedora limped out from behind a tree and asked if I wanted to go somewhere. I asked him if he knew where I could find Jose Napoles.I showed him the painting. He shrugged his shoulders.
"No, I do not know,but if you walk to the corner on the next block,he has friends there that know him.They are also taxistas."
I continued my walk. I was sweating and my hip was giving me trouble again. I thought that afternoon my efforts were going to wash out. At the corner I saw a man taking something out of the trunk of his taxi.Holding out the painting ,I tried again.
"Por favor amigo. Estoy buscando for Mantequiila Napoles."
The taxi driver looked at me and then the painting.
"I know him. He has a gym,but he doesn't go there on the weekends."
"Do you know where he lives?"
"We can go to the gym.Maybe someone there knows where he lives."
As we drove around a maze of streets,the cab driver asked me where I was from. I told him that I lived in San Diego.The taxista told me his name was Javier.He had a friendly face and was relaxed.I asked him if he knew who Jose Napoles was and he said that he knew of him,but was too young to recall any of his fights.

After turning many corners,the cab driver pulled in front of a big white building. The front of the building was dirty and there was graffiti on the front wall. A hand painted sign near the top of the wall said"Salon de Belleza y Gimnasio Roma."The neighborhood was rundown and empty.I couldn't see anyone around.Some cars were parked along the street.

We walked inside a spacious front room with a concrete floor. A young woman sitting behind an old wooden desk smiled at us.She was a little overweight and very pretty.
"Donde esta Mantequilla? Este senor tiene un regalo para el,"asked Javier
The young woman looked at my painting. She asked me if I had painted it.
"Yes,I want to give this to Mantequilla. Will he be here today?"
"No,"she replied." He doesn't come here anymore."
I had read that he had some physical issues.
"Is he sick?"I asked as my hopes for seeing my idol were dwindling.
"He gets confused,"she said. "His wife takes care of him."
"Where is his gym?"
"It's upstairs,but it is locked."
"Do you know where he lives?"
"He used to live around the corner.You can ask in the street if anyone knows where he lives."
Javier took my painting and put it on the back seat of the cab.I got inside the passenger side. I had a hard time swinging my sore leg inside the cab. Javier quickly got out of his seat to help me.
"No,no. I can do it ,"I said.
I finally managed to get my leg in and we proceeded around the corner. There were three men working under the hood of an old car.Javier pulled the taxi next to the men working on the car.The three men looked at us. I could tell from their expressions that they knew Javier.
"Mantecas vive in la colonia todavia?"asked Javier with a laugh.
"No," answered a voice. "He used to live on that house at the corner,but he moved. You could always see him walking around the street smoking his cigar."
"Ask if any of them know his phone number,"I tried another option.
Javier asked the three men.None of them knew the phone number.
"His wife has a phone," said one of them."But it is a Nextel. Nobody around here has a phone like that."

Javier drove back to the gym.I didn't want to give him the impression that there was desperation in my quest,but now I was hoping for some luck to break my way. The young woman at the desk said that maybe the janitor that was cleaning in the backroom might be of assistance. As she was motioning us to the backroom,a young fellow holding a mop walked out.
"I know where Mantequilla lives. I can give you directions."
I felt a rush and a sense of some relief. Javier and the janitor where talking ,but I couldn't pick up on their conversation,Javier told me to get inside of the cab. He put my painting on the back seat. We drove off.
"I can find him,but I'll need to ask for some directions."

After turning more corners,Javier stopped the taxi at a corner across from a church.
"Wait here,"he said. "I need to ask someone."
I didn't see were Javier went,but when he got back inside the cab he was looking straight ahead.
"I know where he lives. We need to go around the block."

Javier steered the taxi around the corner onto a small back street.The small stucco houses all looked the same. Rectangular with flat roofs.The only thing that distinguished them was that they were painted in different pastel colors. The street was narrow. So narrow that two cars could not navigate in opposite directions.In order for cars to get through the street the parked vehicles had their driver's side wheels parked on top of the curb. When the taxi cleared the corner,we could see Jose Napoles sitting on a chair under the shade of a tree. There was no one else in the street. He stood out as big as life. There was no doubt. Javier sped up the taxi and stopped quickly in front of him. Mantequiila puffed on a cigar and smiled.
"Campeon,"I said to him.
Still smiling he held up his fist. Javier parked the taxi up on the curb.He took my painting from ther back seat and handed it to me.
"Mantequilla,"I said excitedly."Este cuadro es para ti. Yo pinte."
Mantequilla didn't reach out for the painting. I held it out in front of him to see.Javier walked to the side and leaned against a wall. Mantequilla stared at the painting studying it. Then he extended his hand to me.
"This is where I live,"he said. "This is my wife's house."
Mantequilla never got off his chair. I asked him if I could take some pictures. He puffed on his cigar again,but it had gone out. Javier quickly took a lighter out of his shirt pocket and relit the cigar.
"How are you feeling?"I asked the ex champion.
"I feel very good. My wife is not here. She went shopping.She will be back soon."
"I was your number one fan,"I said. "I saw many of your fights."
Mantequilla was down to the end of his cigar. I put the painting against the wall of the house.
"You see this truck?"asked Mantequilla pointing.
There was a big four wheel drive truck parked with the wheels on the curb in front of the house next door.The truck was caked with mud.
"This is my wife's truck. She went shopping."
"They say you don't go to the gym anymore,"I said."We looked for you there."
"Oh no.I go.If I want to go my wife drives me."
Mantequilla looked at the corner of the street. A little boy walked out of the abarrotes holding a bottle of soda. Mantequilla waved and smiled at the boy,but the boy didn't notice him nor did he look his way.
"Many people see me everyday,"he said. "I have many fans.My wife went shopping with my mother in law."
"How did you meet your wife?"
"I was sitting here smoking my cigar and she waked by with her mother."
"Isn't she you third wife?"
Mantequilla burst out laughing.
"Oooo,I had many wives. Many wives."
"You're like Pancho Villa."
Mantequilla continued laughing. It was a subject I could tell he like to relish in.
"Then you have many ninos tambien."
"Muchos."
"And many mother in laws."
"No,no.I have only one mother in law."
"Dime Mantequilla.Puedes coher todavia?"
Now he was laughing so hard he almost fell out of his chair.
"But at our age screwing isn't that important,"he remarked. He tried to inhale on what was left of his cigar.
"Having a wife that cooks is more important,"I said.
"Seguro. Hay muchas que le gustan a coher. Pero una mujar que puede a cocinar? Es magica."
I told him my wife was Mexican born in Michoacán and that she was back in California.
"When my wife gets home from shopping I invite you and your wife to eat dinner with us."
Mantequilla then turned to Javier who was still leaning against the wall.
"Why don't you talk?"asked Mantequilla.
"I enjoy listening to the two of you."
'Mantequilla,didn't you know Ciro Morisan?"I asked.
"Ciro?The most beautiful boxer who ever lived."
"Didn't he commit suicide when he couldn't leave Cuba?"
Mantequilla didn't say anything. Then he started up again.
"My wife went shopping.She will be back soon."
"Campeon,did you know that you are going to be inducted into the California Boxing Hall of Fame in October?"
"I am?Then I will go with you."
"Give me your phone number.We can make arrangements"
"My wife knows it.She went shopping."
I gave him my card with my personal information .He took it and studied it. He then played with the card with his hands.
"A few years ago I talked with Emile Griffith,"I said.
"He comes by to see me all the time."
"He passed away last year."
Mantequilla tried to puff on his dead cigar.
"My wife is with her mother. They will be right back."
"I never saw a fighter who was as smart as you,"I said.
"I was always in tremendous physical condition. I ran through out the whole city up in the hills."
"You always knew what you were doing in the ring."
"I would look shoulder to shoulder,"he said pointing at my shoulders."My left foot was always in front."
"How many fights did you have in Cuba?"
"Thousands,"he said laughing. "My uncles would throw me in the street with the older boys and then bet that I would win."
"Did you win?"
"I had to or I had to fight my uncles."
"You had a good trainer with Kid Rapidez. Tell me. Do you ever hear from Angelo Dundee anymore."
"He comes by almost everyday to see me."
"Have you ever been back to Cuba?"
" I went one time. You see this truck? It belongs to my wife."
"Who is the best fighter in Mexico today?"I went on.
"There is this kid who lives near by. He used to come to the gym,but I don't see him anymore."
"I saw you after you retired with your band at the Rancho Grande Bar in Tijuana. Your wife sang and you played the trumpet."
"Musica tropical."
"Didn't you have a few bars? Didn't the police try to shake you down in your place in the Zona Rosa in Mexico City?
"We beat them up and threw them out into the street with no clothes."
As we talked that day,I couldn't help see the old scars crisscrossed on Mantequilla's eyelids.That fragile tissue around his eyes. He even tried plastic surgery to correct the problem.Visiting the track more than trying to sweat off the late nights in the gym.Age and some brutal fights at the end. By the time he lost to Stracey he wasn't running through the hills in the city.

I waited around. Mrs. Napoles never showed up .In a way I was glad she didn't I didn't want to hear the truth. Mantequilla Napoles is happy.He sits outside his wife's house smoking his cigars and waves and smiles to anyone who wants to stop by and listen to his stories.Maybe he stretches the truth,but the truth is nothing more than what it is at the moment.
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Within the past few days, there was a news item about Carlos Slim, one of the richest men in the world, setting up a fund for Mexican world boxing champions of the past.

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Without Papers

I had good fortune finding Javier at the cab stand. I was lucky I got steered in the right direction by the first cab driver I asked after walking across the bridge from El Paso. Yes,Javier knew where Jose Napoles's gym was. He knew him.Or at least of him. As far as Mantequilla's boxing career,Javier knew about it. As I presented to you Tuesday on the thread we spent an interesting afternoon with Mantequilla.After the thrill died down,Javier got me back to the border.
"Too bad you never saw Napoles fight,"I said to Javier as we winded our way back to the bridge.
"He has lived in Juarez for some time,"he said looking straight ahead.
"He was voted into the boxing hall of fame on the first ballot. He was inducted along with Ali."
As we were driving I noticed that there wasn't much traffic. Many of the store fronts were boarded up. What businesses that were open had little activity. I wondered how people in Juarez got by.
"Javier,do you like boxing?"
"Oh yes. I follow it. I saw Chavez and Chavez Jr. Pacquiao is very good. He's very popular in Mexico."
"Mexico likes fighters that are killers,"I said with confidence.
"Blood excites us,"said Javier smiling.
"This Mayweather won't fight Pacquiao,"I said.
"They would make a lot of money,but maybe they have enough already. A loss would just soil one of their legacies.They'll play it safe"
"When Mantequilla was on top,he made plenty of money. As much as any athlete."
"As much as Ali?"
"No. But he made plenty.He had everything he wanted."
As we approached the bridge,I noticed that there were not many cars in the four lanes going back across to El Paso. Maybe a half dozen cars in each lane.
"Have you ever been to Tijuana?"I asked Javier.
"No.I've lived in Juarez all my life."
"The traffic at the border in Tijuana is very busy. Maybe 30 lanes and the cars are sometimes backed up so far it takes hours to get across to San Diego."
"Today is Saturday and you can see what there is. During the week it's even less."
"Sometimes it takes all day just to walk back across to San Diego."
"Here,as you can see,it's only a handful."
Javier reached the foot of the bridge and stopped the cab.
"Do you go to El Paso much?"I asked Javier.
"I've never been to the United States. I have no papers."
"Are you married?"
"Yes.I have a wife and three kids. My daughter is going to start high school.The boys are still in elementary school."
I don't see any turistas," I said looking up and down the main street.
"There are none. It's dead. There have been too many problems here."
"The gringos hear the news and are afraid to come here. Even Tijuana's tourist business has just about vanished."
"In Juarez there has been too many murders.The cartels would kill anyone who spoke out.A few years ago they brought in the army. Crime isn't as bad as it once was,but the damage is beyond repair."
"Amigo, I want to thank you for taking me to Jose Napoles.What do I owe you?"
"How much did you pay Martin when you tried to find Mantequilla the other day?"
"20 dollars."
I pulled a twenty dollar bill from my wallet and handed it to Javier.
"Thank you my friend,"I said to him."Best of luck to you and your family."
"Egualmente,"he replied. "Give my blessing to your wife. I hope to see you again. I enjoyed the day."

I got out of the cab and walked back across the bridge to El Paso. At the customs gates there were only a few Mexicans in the lines for non residents. I was the only American in the line for citizens of the United States. I was anxious now to get back to San Diego. I checked out of my hotel . The girl gave me a refund for leaving a day early.

Tuesday I posted a story of my encounter with Jose Napoles,my favorite fighter. Today,I told you about Javier the cab driver who helped me to get my wish.The thing that struck me is that Jose Napoles doesn't get much attention in that neighborhood.The people know who he is.Maybe they see him sitting in front of his modest house in their slowly decaying neighborhood, smoking his cigars, and think,"He once had everything going for him,and he lost it."You know they think that. Times are pretty rough down there. Charity is not on their bucket list.

Chuck Johnston was quick to note after my story Tuesday that Carlos Slim wants to put together a fund for former Mexican fighters.I wonder how Javier and the rest of the people in the barrio think about that.

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My favorite fighter,Jose Napoles and my friend Javier. I hope I see both of them again.
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Roger, those pics and stories were awesome! What a beautiful fighter to watch. I still recall the first time watching one of his fights. My Dad and I watching the Billy Backus rematch. It was great when Wide World of Sports got on the bandwagon and I could see him against Clyde Gray and the Hedgemon Lewis rematch. And of course on tape delay on Boxing from the Forum against Hedge the first time around. Damn, good times.
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Cuba Libre

We'll never know how Teo Stevenson would have fared against Ali in a fight. That hypothetical match has been kicked around on various threads on the Boxrec forum. That dream, along with all the other fantasy matches, seem to be a staple that nourishes the category "Boxers of The Past."All that conjecture doesn't interest me. And to see how some opinions degenerate into personality attacks keeps me from wanting to join into these melees. But it was too bad Fidel Castro had this idea that professional boxing was a decadent result of a capitalistic system. So he kept the amateur boxing on the books(I guess not getting paid for getting your brains knocked out is OK) and prevented many talented fighters from being tested against the best professional fighters ,and perhaps acquiring earnings that would have enabled them to buy and live a lifestyle that they had only dreamed of before. We'll never know how good Stevenson really was.He never fought the best.

But Jose Napoles got out in time. He left behind in Cuba a wife and kids.He told me he had to find out if he had the goods. He thought he could win a championship belt ,but he would have to leave his country and his family to get to the top. Whether he thought he would someday return to Cuba after attaining the crown is puzzling to figure because when I asked him if he had ever returned to Cuba(I knew he hadn't.It was a setup question),he replied that he had gone back. That answer ,along with some other tales,didn't surprise me much. No matter how popular he became as a fighter in Mexico,becoming a citizen of Mexico(at that time only the president of Mexico could endow that honor.It was the first time a foreigner was granted Mexican citizenship),having an international following more than Ruben Olivares who paralalled his career,Jose Napoles ,the Ring Magazine Fighter of The Year,first ballot inductee of living fighters into the IBHOF,Mantequilla Napoles could say that he left no rosin box unturned. He is a legend.

Teo Stevenson will always be matched up on boxing forums with opponents that were separated by 90 miles of ocean.Coulda,shoulda,woulda. Napoles won and then defended his title in a country that fell in love with him,and Mexico with him. When asked after winning the welterweight crown, during a long period when champions at the lightweight and junior welter divisions came up with excuses not to engage Jose (and with the great assistance of George Parnassus)finally caught up with Curtis Cokes in Los Angeles and spread him around the ring like butter,or should I say mantequilla.After the fight when reporters asked him how he felt about his adopted Mexico,Jose said"They can throw me in the middle of the ocean and all I would have to do is listen for the mariachis so I would know where to swim back to."

It's a shame Teo Stevenson never got the chance to don any water wings.

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All that's left to remind us of Jose Napoles's gym in Ciudad Juarez.
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Bullet Holes

Across the Texas town of El Paso is Ciudad,Juarez on the Mexican side. It is a city that is steeped ,not only with Mexican history,but also has an intimate relationship with the United States. Where I'm from,San Diego,the Mexican city down the freeway is Tijuana. It's a relatively newer area. A little over a hundred years old,Tijuana's fame can be recalled during the Prohibition years. Americans from the U.S. side could find all the vices that were strictly taboo during the 1920's. The Aguas Caliente racetrack and casino where frequented by Hollywood movie stars and famous athletes. The bars and cantinas did a thriving business with fun loving Americans spending their greenbacks as fast as the booze was being poured and the prostitutes could unfasten their garters.

El Paso had all that,but it's not remembered as much for that kind of wildness,but for even a more important savagery that involved the over throw of a dictator. Francisco Madera began his cause in Ciudad Juarez, and with his revolutionaries stormed into Mexico,City.But it was the capture of Ciudad,Juarez that convinced Diaz the dictator to abdicate to Spain.

Pancho Villa was a part of that resurrection.Having a small role in the beginning,but when he heard that Madero was assassinated by the traitor Huerta,Villa who was living in El Paso running his butcher shop,crossed the Rio Grande with seven men and wthin a month amassed an army of more than 20,000 enthusiastic soldiers. Mostly peasants from the countryside,his loyal following asked no questions about being led into battle by the most recognizable figure in Mexican history.

Though most Mexicans don't know many facts about Villa,they consider him the ideal of machismo. Just as important,Villa was a man of the people.Born Doroteo Arango, arising from the hacienda,a peon,he took brutal revenge against the major domo's son who molested his sister. After that Doroteo became Pancho Villa,a bandit at first,but then became enthralled with the visions of Francisco Madero.Villa's charisma and empathy of the oppressed was overwhelming. When he entered mexico Cuity with Zapata ,Pancho Vills was the most powerful man in Mexico.But instead of seizing the presidency he backed off believing he didn't have the education for politics, His forte was fighting.

In the end villa was defeated by his comrade in arms in overthrowing Huerta,another treacherous individual Carranza. With the forces of his general Obregon(tutored in tactical maneuvers by the Germnan general,Kloss),Villa's army was finally scattered at the battle of Agua Prieta.

After the revolution,Villa was allowed to retire at his hacienda in Durango. Later,Obregon(who in turn assassinated Carranza) hired guns to do in Villa in the town of Parral.However, Obregon didn't escape what goes around comes sround. In 1928 Obregon was shot to death by someone making a sketch of him.

But ask someone in Iceland to name a famous Mexican.Most likely they'll answer Panco villa. Villa was Mexico's Robin Hood. He never had a desire to leave his country,taking millions, even when his life was in jeapordy.

I was sitting in a bar in El Paso during my quest to find Mantequilla Napoles enjoying a beer when I decided to strike up a conversation with the bartender.He was a lot younger than me.He was Chicano.He told me he had lived in El Paso all his life. He had a wife and two boys.He asked me what I did for a living. I told him I was a retired school teacher.
"What did you teach?"he asked.
"History."
He smiled.
"That was my major in school."
"I have always been interested in the history between Mexico and the U.S. ,especially in this area involving the revolution."
"If you go through the Mexican section near the border you can still see a lot of artifacts if you know where to look."
I told him that I had a four volume set of ohotographs of the Mexican Revolution by the the famous Mexican photographer,Jose Casasola.
"The photographs are protected by the Mexican government.I haven't even seen these books on the internet."
"How did you get them?"
"A Mexican gentleman who I was very close to left me the books.He passed away a few years ago. He worked at the Mexican embassy in San Diego."
The kid ,seeing my glass empty,put a fresh one in front of me.
"A few years ago,"he said," they tore down Pancho Villa's favorite hotel and put in a Burger King,If you walked up to the old building you could still see the bullet holes.".
"That's terrible.Was there any protest?"
"A little,but nobody could do too much. The Mexicans that live in the area don't have much influence.Remember this is Texas."
We continued talking about Mexican history focusing on the revolution. Because pancho Villa was so prominent in Chihuahua the discussion included many Villa stories.I finished the second beer and asked him what I owed.
"Nothing. Only promise me that when you return you'll bring those books back with all those pictures. I would love to see them."
"That's a promise amigo."
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Pancho Villa
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St. Louis Cardinals are onto the NCLS . . . over the Dodgers . . . Just saying . . .
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raylawpc wrote:St. Louis Cardinals are onto the NCLS . . . over the Dodgers . . . Just saying . . .
Yes, the St. Louis Cardinals beat my team, the Los Angeles Dodgers, 3-to-1 in the five-game playoff series. The Cards have a good team which could go on to win the World Series.

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Crown For A Day

Fighters are a curious breed when asked about what was their toughest fight. They'll always snswer about a fight where they beat the other guy.A tough fight.A close fight,but they won it. They never answer about a fight they lost,expecially one where the defeat was devastating.Roberto Duran never said Hearns was his toughest fight even though when Tommy connected with his big right hand Roberto hit the canvas face first. I've heard Roberto say DeJesus was his toughest opponent,but Roberto won those encounters.Maybe getting knocked out by a single punch doesn't exact that much struggle. You get hit flush on the chin,fall face first,and you're put to sleep.

When I asked Jose Napoles in Ciudad Juarez who was his toughest opponent,I didn't expect him to say Carlos Monzon. He didn't disappoint me. That fight will go down in the annals in the category of "a fight that shouldn't have been made"-ala Max Schmeling/Mickey Walker.For three frames Jose was ahead trying to take it to Carlos,but carrying 153 pounds made Mantequilla morph into lard.He looked like he was moving in a swimming pool.After Monzon opened up his cuts and was finding his chin,jose sat on his stool after the 6th round,Monzon the toast of gay Paree.

So when I posed the "who was your toughest opponent?" question,loquacious Jose dummied up.He put his head down inhaling on what was left of his cigar.I offered Indian Red Lopez.Jose turned his head up looking at me with that Tom Cat poker face he always expressed in the ring and scowled,"I beat him."
So it wasn't Indian Red.The second name I came up with was Armando Muniz.The guy who got robbed bigger than any hold up ever committed by Pancho Villa.This time Napoles didn't respond. He put his head down,took one last puff on the Cuban puro,and then jerked his head around with a big smile and said,"My wife went shopping.She'll be back any minute. Please stay for dinner."

Fighters have a funny way of telling the truth.
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Mando Muniz
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Armando Muniz browsing through my art portfolio
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