Boycott the pay per view or you build an expensive monster

rio
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Post by rio »

chad wrote:
Cholo_cws wrote:Something seems fundamentally wrong with a sport that tells you that a fight of this stature cannot happen without PPV.
The thing is Eddie confirmed last week in an interview with Kugan on YouTube that he could have put the fight on SKY Sports and only decided last minute to make it PPV. Reason being he wants to make the whole night / undercard a special event for British boxing. Total bs from Eddie, mugging regular SKY Sports subscribers right off.[/quote

I take it anyday now he's going to announce the ppv worthy undercard as surely he dosent think the current undercard is ppv worthy....
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PokerRob wrote:The only sport I really give a poo about is boxing (and UFC sometimes) anyway. Therefore, if you ask me, I think all boxing on Sky should be PPV (ranging fro £5 to £20 PPV), so I do not have to subscribe to the rest of the crap shown on Sky Sports for £24.50 a month (which I do not BTW) just so I can watch a crappy mismatched card every month or so!
It's probably worth looking at Now TV fella:

http://www.nowtv.com

It's effectively PPV for 24 hours of Sky Sports. Normal price is £10, currently £7. I believe you can buy 5 day passes for £35 too.
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bruthead wrote:
PokerRob wrote:The only sport I really give a poo about is boxing (and UFC sometimes) anyway. Therefore, if you ask me, I think all boxing on Sky should be PPV (ranging fro £5 to £20 PPV), so I do not have to subscribe to the rest of the crap shown on Sky Sports for £24.50 a month (which I do not BTW) just so I can watch a crappy mismatched card every month or so!
It's probably worth looking at Now TV fella:

http://www.nowtv.com

It's effectively PPV for 24 hours of Sky Sports. Normal price is £10, currently £7. I believe you can buy 5 day passes for £35 too.
Unfortunately the internet connection in my neck of the woods is awful ;(
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I think i will end up watching it on a TV, but i am going to make sure i have at least 6 (or more) other people watching with me who usually buy boxing PPVs anyway.
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Another thing that gets me angry about this PPV event, is that I have followed the build up, watched the first fight and watched Bellew/Clev fighting bums for years. Now, I can't be bothered to watch any pressers, tweets, interviews about any of the fights on the card because I won't be forced into paying for them and feel that I am being fleeced by Sky and Matchroom.
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ScottDetonator wrote:Another thing that gets me angry about this PPV event, is that I have followed the build up, watched the first fight and watched Bellew/Clev fighting bums for years. Now, I can't be bothered to watch any pressers, tweets, interviews about any of the fights on the card because I won't be forced into paying for them and feel that I am being fleeced by Sky and Matchroom.
Exactly, if you're not buying the PPV the build up means nothing and the build up will consist of nothing we haven't seen before from Bellew, making all number of threats of what he will do and come fight night he will do none of them
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Post by Loftgroov »

It'd be interesting to know what the extra costs are to Matchroom to make this a PPV event rather than just a standard Sky show.

With an enhanced (ahem) undercard presumably he'll shell out more than normal, but its the additional revenue from PPV and the resulting margin that is what will dictate how often they try and make cards like this PPV in the future.

People are saying "I hope the PPV is a flop!", but they might not need many buys at all for it to work financially for them.

Eddie is really just a smiley-faced accountant after all, so if PPV means more margin on this shows I doubt he's going to give a monkeys about whether or not the "hardcores" buy his PPVs.
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i don't get why people are saying casual fans will buy this fight i'm a casual tennis fan and i'd never buy a PPV match because as a casual fan i'm not that bothered about it it's the real hard core fans that buys PPVs not people that aren't that bothered . plus by making this show PPV sky will now have to put something else on in this time slot which will cost money unless they just repeat something ,to me it's simply if no ones buys it they won't do it again as it will be a money loser not winner ,if no one buys it then it's just the gate money which won't cover the costs of the show .
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stevedoc wrote:i don't get why people are saying casual fans will buy this fight i'm a casual tennis fan and i'd never buy a PPV match because as a casual fan i'm not that bothered about it it's the real hard core fans that buys PPVs not people that aren't that bothered . plus by making this show PPV sky will now have to put something else on in this time slot which will cost money unless they just repeat something ,to me it's simply if no ones buys it they won't do it again as it will be a money loser not winner ,if no one buys it then it's just the gate money which won't cover the costs of the show .

^ The bullshit excuse "Don't take offence, it's not aimed at you!" is a stupid diversionary measure, yes.

The deep content of that excuse is "Don't worry, they're ripping someone else off, not you! How can you possibly get upset about that?", which of course is perfectly okay, much the same way it would be okay if I chose to delouse someone's dog by carpet-bombing a hundred mile radius of its kennel.

The basic thing is, the economic game of modern boxing--which works so well, at enriching about twelve people, that is--is predicated on finding a captive audience & fleecing the living fvck out of it (works especially well if a fighter has a local following). The complicity of various other parties than the twelve that are getting their pockets lined in this is frankly pathetic, but to be expected.

PS: & of course it neglects the obvious: that anyone with an interest in watching the fight anyway (say, boxing fans, mebbe) is gonna also get spelunked. But that don't matter: they didn't mean to rip you off! You're just collateral damage!
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Post by Boxerbeetle »

Terry Dooley wrote:
stevedoc wrote:i don't get why people are saying casual fans will buy this fight i'm a casual tennis fan and i'd never buy a PPV match because as a casual fan i'm not that bothered about it it's the real hard core fans that buys PPVs not people that aren't that bothered . plus by making this show PPV sky will now have to put something else on in this time slot which will cost money unless they just repeat something ,to me it's simply if no ones buys it they won't do it again as it will be a money loser not winner ,if no one buys it then it's just the gate money which won't cover the costs of the show .
I disagree. There's a lot of people on Twitter who may not attend shows, but who follow Hearn himself and the fighters so will order it as the time comes near. They'll get mates in, probably only watch the main event then head into town, similar to the people at shows who only turn up for the main event itself. The rest of us are analogous to the people who will take in the whole show.

If they can sell it on Twitter—and they can—it will pick up buys and to hell with what a few boxing snobs like us on a slow as molasses, dying forum think about it.

A few tasty pre-fight interviews, histrionics at the press conferences then absolutely rinse it during the Arsenal-United game to pick up some extra buys.
I understand where you're coming from, but I just can't see that happening for this PPV. The reason it will bomb is that the casual fans who would typically order a PPV with their mates before going for a night on the town have absolutely no interest in the main event.

Sky / Hearn have drastically overestimated the appetite for this fight amongst casual fans - I'm yet to hear a single person mention it outside of boxing websites or hardcore fans (both of which are completely slamming it anyway).
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The people involved are too intelligent for it to bomb and too savvy to ever admit to it bombing.

They can have the bout without my extra £15 though.
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Post by moogie101 »

PPV only works if its a genuine contest fans care about OR if it features a genuine world star that people will pay to see.

This event is neither. With what I pay for Sky already I find a fight of this magnitude being on PPV is nothing short of an insult.

Over the years I've brought a few boxing PPV's & maybe that was a mistake but I always felt Sky normally reserved fights for PPV where the extra price could at least be justified.
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I won't be paying, deffo not PPV worthy
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I think mr hearn should take a look in history at fwank warrens late 1990's boxing shows to see what a real ppv card looks like with the likes barerra defending his title hamed defending his title winky wright defending his title then the sky camera's would move to america were there would be more multiple titles from different weights getting defended not this sh1te bellew vs cleverley for a interim fookin title. The hearns are greedy b@stards plain and simple. The answer is cancel your sky sports,everone moans about how crap ringside is and how crap the boxing shows are lately so the answer is cancel sky and with the £15 odd you will save subscribe to allegedly wete you will have 24 hrs of old fights plus better shows from all over the world and no hint of a matchroom fighter on it. Fwank warren is the best promotor from these shores in the last 30 odd years by country mile and probably the best promotor in the world at present imo.
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Is that you Frank?
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