Why Is Matrix-DeGale a Pick Em Odds Fight?

[diddy]

Going with the Matrix here fighting on home soil.

DeGale's lone loss - George Groves, exposed a flaw in his game. He struggled with Groves' movement and it really locked up DeGale's offense. DeGale just wasnt busy enough b/c he had a hard time finding Groves who employed alot of side to side movement. If he had a hard time getting off against Groves' movement, imagine how much trouble he'll have finding Dirrell, who is superior to Groves in every way athletically, and one of the fastest, sharpest boxers in the game. The biggest issue I see with DeGale is he struggles to find the proper punching range. He really only lets the punches flow when the target his stationary. Against a hittable target, he looks fantastic. Dirrell is rarely hittable, in perpetual motion.

I'm quite shocked to see pick em odds on this fight. Especially in the US. DeGale has improved since the Groves loss but I doubt hes improved enough to defeat Dirrell in the States. I think he will need to stop Dirrell to win. He'll have to find him first.

Dirrell is +175 to win a decision. This is absolutely a bet.

[littlepug]

dont know why dirrell gets so much credit to be honest, im backing degale for same reason im backing linares over mitchell and it comes down to mental strength which dirrell and mitchell lack compared to their opponents IMO

[diddy]

Mental strength against who? Marco Periban? Brandon Gonzales?

DeGale fought one live body - Groves, and lost.

Dirrell went into Nottingham and boxed Froch's balls off. The whole planet knows if the fight is in another city that Dirrell is still unbeaten.

[littlepug]

wasnt on about degales mental strength but rather dirrells lack of, degale never shown weakness in this area, yes he got outfoxed by groves but hes learnt from that, dirrells got the moves but that aint enough without the toughness you need at this level.

[diddy]

You talk about "levels". Put your bias aside and realize only one of these guys has succeeded at elite world level so far. Fact.

[Ricky_]

DeGale's a completely different animal than the inexperienced kid that lost to Groves (although i felt like he won at least 6 rounds in that fight).

Dirrell is also a coward who's fought nobodies since quitting against Abraham, no heart.

I like DeGale for the KO.

[Bard of Boxrec]

I had Degale edging Groves, but in truth both guys were gunshy and neither deserved it.

I like Dirrell in this one overall but he's going to have to work hard for it. Degale is going to prove very physically strong and tough, he's going to bully Dirrell at times. I also noticed that Dirrell against Brinson didn't seem like the fleet-footed guy of old, he got caught a bit against the lower-level Brinson. I see Andre coming through some rough patches to land the cleaner shots and win a bruising decision. Close.

[dempseyfire]

Dirrel will win convincingly. He's probably the most under-rated fighter in boxing. He beat Froch fairly easily and was boxing AA's ears off until the (legitimate) foul. I'd like all of these keyboard warriors who say he has no heart spar one round with Dirrell.

[Butterbean]

If dirrel has got himself together mentally, he will school degale. No doubt in my mind here. Brilliant technique, speed. I just cant forget/forgive the poo he pulled versus aa.

[Taansend]

Mental strength against who? Marco Periban? Brandon Gonzales?

DeGale fought one live body - Groves, and lost.

Dirrell went into Nottingham and boxed Froch's balls off. The whole planet knows if the fight is in another city that Dirrell is still unbeaten.

I scored the Froch fight a draw. Neither fighter deserved to win.

Dirrell just ran until the last two rounds, when he suddenly got some self belief, and Froch was ineffective going forward.

The commentary on US tv that night was shockingly bad and biased.

Back to this weekend, I think Dirrell wins easily if his mind set is strong. He is very talented but there's just something missing mentally. Saying that, I haven't seen him since the Abraham fight.

I like both fighters so may the best man win

[david1963]

Dirrell lost a point against Froch for not trying hard enough. That's how lousy he was, and the scoreline flattered him. He looked good against Abraham for a few rounds then started to tire and took the easy way out. This weekend, Dirrell is up against a boxer who's very hungry and determined. I think Degale will win a very ugly fight on points. If anyone thinks Dirrell is a cert and the odds are attractive, by all means bet on him. I won't be issuing any refunds.

[littlepug]

You talk about "levels". Put your bias aside and realize only one of these guys has succeeded at elite world level so far. Fact.

Why whos he beaten ?

[diddy]

You talk about "levels". Put your bias aside and realize only one of these guys has succeeded at elite world level so far. Fact.

Why whos he beaten ?

Don't play coy.

[littlepug]

You talk about "levels". Put your bias aside and realize only one of these guys has succeeded at elite world level so far. Fact.

Why whos he beaten ?

Don't play coy.

I'm serious just cos he hung with AA and froch doesn't mean he's at that level, same as Murray going in with GGG, Martinez and Sturm doesn't put him at elite level either, you've got to produce the results.

[SNG]

Dirrel will win convincingly. He's probably the most under-rated fighter in boxing. He beat Froch fairly easily and was boxing AA's ears off until the (legitimate) foul. I'd like all of these keyboard warriors who say he has no heart spar one round with Dirrell.

Why? Will that prove Dirrell has heart?

[tommo100]

iv`e never rated de gale,he`s a slick boxer but tends to lose focus,he`s really going up a few levels over his previous opponents

[Cutman Scabbers]

DeGale's main weapon is his peculiar overhand left.

He catches guys (right handers) with it because they're expecting a straight left.

If he can't land it, his chances of winning are miniscule.

[hulkmaniac]

Degale is the best opponent Dirrell has faces, and vice versa. Should be a good matchup.

[diddy]

Degale is the best opponent Dirrell has faces, and vice versa. Should be a good matchup.

DeGale is better than the Froch of 5 yrs ago (in Nottingham)? Really?

[davie]

I'd like all of these keyboard warriors who say he has no heart spar one round with Dirrell.

I really wish people would fornicate off with this kind of response

"oh well, if you think you're so tough, go fight him"

seriously? the guys a professional fornicating boxer you complete and utter bellend, of course i'm not going to stand in a ring and let him punch me.

this is a boxing forum, a place where ordinary people come to praise and criticise fighters. Just because I say "Manny Pacquiao doesn't cut the ring down well enough" doesn't mean I want the crazy little bastard chasing me around the ring or if I say "Tysons Furys left hook is a weakness" certainly doesn't mean i'd like to take one on the jaw.

It's a comment regarding a fighter and if someone doesn't think Dirrell has the heart of a champion, then they can say it on here.

I'd also point out that Andre Dirrell sparring with some pleb off boxrec would do little to dispell the idea that he has no heart

[hulkmaniac]

Degale is the best opponent Dirrell has faces, and vice versa. Should be a good matchup.

DeGale is better than the Froch of 5 yrs ago (in Nottingham)? Really?

Froch is obviously the more accomplished, however he's slower and his success is based off his toughness and grit. Degale is fresher, quicker, and more athletic. I am also picking Dirrell to win, but I do see this as a"pick-em" fight.

[Bobbyptsd]

You talk about "levels". Put your bias aside and realize only one of these guys has succeeded at elite world level so far. Fact.

Fact.

Carl Froch has a win over Andre Direll, "success" notwithstanding.

Fact.

Seriously though, I have a strong feeling DeGale isn't coming out of there with the win, though I do believe he has the ability, ironically enough.

[diddy]

You talk about "levels". Put your bias aside and realize only one of these guys has succeeded at elite world level so far. Fact.

Fact.

Carl Froch has a win over Andre Direll, "success" notwithstanding.

Fact.

Seriously though, I have a strong feeling DeGale isn't coming out of there with the win, though I do believe he has the ability, ironically enough.

If you were at the Gates of Heaven and God asked you to answer 1 question honestly for admittance or exile to hell -"Who really won the Froch-Dirrell fight?"...what would your answer be?

[Bobbyptsd]

You talk about "levels". Put your bias aside and realize only one of these guys has succeeded at elite world level so far. Fact.

Fact.

Carl Froch has a win over Andre Direll, "success" notwithstanding.

Fact.

Seriously though, I have a strong feeling DeGale isn't coming out of there with the win, though I do believe he has the ability, ironically enough.

If you were at the Gates of Heaven and God asked you to answer 1 question honestly for admittance or exile to hell -"Who really won the Froch-Dirrell fight?"...what would your answer be?

Hopefully we'll have better things to talk about then that.

I really can't remember all that well though, to be honest. As far as I can recall, it was competitive though, am I that damaged at this point that i'm not recalling what clearly should have been a Direll victory? I don't remember it that way at all, hell, I don't even remember there being much protest about it here, and usually the word "robbery" gets pulled out as soon as a fight is close at all.

[Cyclops]

You talk about "levels". Put your bias aside and realize only one of these guys has succeeded at elite world level so far. Fact.

Fact.

Carl Froch has a win over Andre Direll, "success" notwithstanding.

Fact.

Seriously though, I have a strong feeling DeGale isn't coming out of there with the win, though I do believe he has the ability, ironically enough.

If you were at the Gates of Heaven and God asked you to answer 1 question honestly for admittance or exile to hell -"Who really won the Froch-Dirrell fight?"...what would your answer be?