old school boxing diets

[biglefthook]

hi there wondering any body got any old school diets as modern ones can be complicated
my mate was a pro retired in in 1992 and has a basic diet with useing a sauna suit all the time and not eating late at night

[Teddy's Toupee]

Archie Moore claimed to chew his food but not swallow it when making weight.

[olij999]

hi there wondering any body got any old school diets as modern ones can be complicated
my mate was a pro retired in in 1992 and has a basic diet with useing a sauna suit all the time and not eating late at night

Sauna suit all the time? If so, massive risk of brain injury through dehydration. Hope he is OK, but absolutely could not recommend that one.

On the Archie Moore thing, I think it was steak that he used to chew and spit out.

[Stuarty]

Not got any useful dieting tips but reading this reminded me of when my mate was a pro and after every fight we used to go to his and phone an Indian, Chinese and sometimes he would drive to McDs! The boy obviously missed his grub! He's a body builder now so he gets to eat carbs as a hobby lol.

[jamesmcdonnell]

A lot of the old time fighters eat big plates of steak and eggs the day before a fight, and generally eat something approaching the atkins diet, vegetables, fish, steak and other meat. I used to have a book by Bob Fitzsimmons on diet and exercise, which I sadly lost, (I've never seen a copy of this book either before or since), which advocated the same. Interestingly, Fitzsimmons used to do what is now called interval training, going for long walks interspersed with sprints, and running up and down flights of stairs.

In a lot of ways, the old timers diet seems to now be more and more widely espoused, there's a lot of Paleo diet athletes out there now competing at high levels.

I'm fascinated by nutrition, if I had my time again, I think I would have done a degree in Nutrition.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Archie Moore claimed to chew his food but not swallow it when making weight.

Moore later confessed it was just a load of old cobblers he made up - he used to like to tease reporters with fictitious facts about his diet and training regime.

[jamesmcdonnell]

http://www.amazon.co.uk/In-Ring-With-Ja ... JDG442D5HZ

Anyone read any of this series of books?

[Old bones Ian]

This from Jack Dempsey, now remember this was before a lot of the science of diets was known, its not a bad diet for anyone to follow

6 A.M Rise. Drink a cup of hot tea, or a cup of beef broth or chicken broth.

6:30 A.M Hit the road.

7 A.M Arrive home. Take brief sweat-out and shower. Have breakfast of fruit juice, cereal, eggs, and milk or tea.

12:30 P.M Lunch of lettuce and tomato on toast (perhaps with two or three slices of bacon). Glass of milk or cup of tea. If you do not have
bacon with the lettuce-tomato sandwich, you can drink a malted milk.

6 P.M Gymnasium. Have cup of hot tea with lemon before the workout.

7:15 P.M Workout completed.

7:45 P.M
Home and dinner: half grapefruit or glass of fruit juice or cup of broth. A salad with olive oil and perhaps lemon juice. No vinegar!
Meat -anything broiled or boiled; nothing fried. Steaks, chops or chicken. Stews are good if you need to gain weight. Also, a
baked potato, if you need weight. But no pork, veal, lobster, shrimp, crabmeat, or starchy foods like spaghetti.

For dessert: stewed fruit, prunes, apricots, pears, or rhubarb, etc. Also hot tea. No pastries.

8:15 P.M Relax half an hour.

8:45 P.M Take a fifteen-minute walk.

9 P.M Bed.

[Old bones Ian]

and Fitzsimmons liked eggs and sherry for breakfast, yum

[jamesmcdonnell]

This from Jack Dempsey, now remember this was before a lot of the science of diets was known, its not a bad diet for anyone to follow

6 A.M Rise. Drink a cup of hot tea, or a cup of beef broth or chicken broth.

6:30 A.M Hit the road.

7 A.M Arrive home. Take brief sweat-out and shower. Have breakfast of fruit juice, cereal, eggs, and milk or tea.

12:30 P.M Lunch of lettuce and tomato on toast (perhaps with two or three slices of bacon). Glass of milk or cup of tea. If you do not have
bacon with the lettuce-tomato sandwich, you can drink a malted milk.

6 P.M Gymnasium. Have cup of hot tea with lemon before the workout.

7:15 P.M Workout completed.

7:45 P.M
Home and dinner: half grapefruit or glass of fruit juice or cup of broth. A salad with olive oil and perhaps lemon juice. No vinegar!
Meat -anything broiled or boiled; nothing fried. Steaks, chops or chicken. Stews are good if you need to gain weight. Also, a
baked potato, if you need weight. But no pork, veal, lobster, shrimp, crabmeat, or starchy foods like spaghetti.

For dessert: stewed fruit, prunes, apricots, pears, or rhubarb, etc. Also hot tea. No pastries.

8:15 P.M Relax half an hour.

8:45 P.M Take a fifteen-minute walk.

9 P.M Bed.

See interesting that when you go back to the dietary advice of that era, they told people to avoid startchy foods if they wanted to keep their weight down, or eat it to gain weight.

It's surprising looking at Dempsey's diet how controlled it is - for a man with such a wild reputation, he clearly took his diet and training pretty seriously.

Although if that is his daily workout, it's surprisingly brief, only 30 minute running, and 1 1/2 hours of gym work.

Recent scientific testing has shown however that brief very intense workouts, are far better than long drawn out ones for producing results. Certainly Dempsey fought at a frantic pace during his career, and I don't recall him ever having stamina issues.

[Old bones Ian]

It is amazing looking at some of the old training and diet routines, there wasn't internet in those days, so it was all learned from person to person, or a book now and again.

I've got a few old time training books, will have a hunt through them and post some more details

[stevieb_8006]

This from Jack Dempsey, now remember this was before a lot of the science of diets was known, its not a bad diet for anyone to follow

6 A.M Rise. Drink a cup of hot tea, or a cup of beef broth or chicken broth.

6:30 A.M Hit the road.

7 A.M Arrive home. Take brief sweat-out and shower. Have breakfast of fruit juice, cereal, eggs, and milk or tea.

12:30 P.M Lunch of lettuce and tomato on toast (perhaps with two or three slices of bacon). Glass of milk or cup of tea. If you do not have
bacon with the lettuce-tomato sandwich, you can drink a malted milk.

6 P.M Gymnasium. Have cup of hot tea with lemon before the workout.

7:15 P.M Workout completed.

7:45 P.M
Home and dinner: half grapefruit or glass of fruit juice or cup of broth. A salad with olive oil and perhaps lemon juice. No vinegar!
Meat -anything broiled or boiled; nothing fried. Steaks, chops or chicken. Stews are good if you need to gain weight. Also, a
baked potato, if you need weight. But no pork, veal, lobster, shrimp, crabmeat, or starchy foods like spaghetti.

For dessert: stewed fruit, prunes, apricots, pears, or rhubarb, etc. Also hot tea. No pastries.

8:15 P.M Relax half an hour.

8:45 P.M Take a fifteen-minute walk.

9 P.M Bed.

See interesting that when you go back to the dietary advice of that era, they told people to avoid startchy foods if they wanted to keep their weight down, or eat it to gain weight.

It's surprising looking at Dempsey's diet how controlled it is - for a man with such a wild reputation, he clearly took his diet and training pretty seriously.

Although if that is his daily workout, it's surprisingly brief, only 30 minute running, and 1 1/2 hours of gym work.

Recent scientific testing has shown however that brief very intense workouts, are far better than long drawn out ones for producing results. Certainly Dempsey fought at a frantic pace during his career, and I don't recall him ever having stamina issues.

I've always thought that fitness wise,if you train flat out (I mean with100% intensity, at your maximum pace) 45 minutes would completely tonk you. Don't care how fit you are, going 100% for that duration should fornicate you. That would surely leave time for the technical side of the game.

I'm no boxer by any means, but I've messed about in gyms and watched both amateur and pros train, and you can sort of tell when they are coasting and fannying about (cheating themselves). Not judging tho cos Christ knows I don't blame them, the hard work and sacrifice certainly isn't something I could do.

[jamesmcdonnell]

I think there was a fashion for really slogging it out for hours on end , which probably long term did more harm than good to athletes for many years. The wear and tear on your joints, ligaments and tendons alone, from 3-4 hours of training every day, cannot be good for you. Plus working out for more than 30 minutes, your body starts to produce the stress hormone cortisol, which has a lot of negative effects on the body.

I saw this youtube workout, of a gymnast, doing a 5 minute workout to complete and utter exhaustion - the thing is, you would have to be incredibly fit in the first place, to be able to do the kinds of moves he was doing, all with his own bodyweight - at incredible speed, and non-stop, but it was the only training the guy did - and he was absolutely incredible shape.

Less is more definitely - I'm certainly not in amazing shape, unfortunately, I like a drink, smoke and general carouse too much, but do 3 short runs a week, at a fair lick (7 minute miles), some sprint work, and weights once or twice a week. I never do more than 40 minutes of anything, and I am definitely fitter and in better shape now, than I was in my 30's - I'm 44, but even with my chaotic lifestyle I've managed to lick myself into pretty reasonable shape with not too much effort. If I gave up booze, fags and drugs, I'd probably be fit as a fiddle - but well, where's the fkucing fun in that eh?

[stevieb_8006]

I think there was a fashion for really slogging it out for hours on end , which probably long term did more harm than good to athletes for many years. The wear and tear on your joints, ligaments and tendons alone, from 3-4 hours of training every day, cannot be good for you. Plus working out for more than 30 minutes, your body starts to produce the stress hormone cortisol, which has a lot of negative effects on the body.

I saw this youtube workout, of a gymnast, doing a 5 minute workout to complete and utter exhaustion - the thing is, you would have to be incredibly fit in the first place, to be able to do the kinds of moves he was doing, all with his own bodyweight - at incredible speed, and non-stop, but it was the only training the guy did - and he was absolutely incredible shape.

Less is more definitely - I'm certainly not in amazing shape, unfortunately, I like a drink, smoke and general carouse too much, but do 3 short runs a week, at a fair lick (7 minute miles), some sprint work, and weights once or twice a week. I never do more than 40 minutes of anything, and I am definitely fitter and in better shape now, than I was in my 30's - I'm 44, but even with my chaotic lifestyle I've managed to lick myself into pretty reasonable shape with not too much effort. If I gave up booze, fags and drugs, I'd probably be fit as a fiddle - but well, where's the fkucing fun in that eh?

No point being a monk if it's not your profession is there?

You are right that you'd def need a base level of fitness to be able to train max every time.

I suppose that's the advantage of staying in shape between camps/all year round.

fornicate that tho, there's cherry bakewells to be eaten! As long as I'm not achy and stiff before/after the school run that's me sorted.

[Duffus91]

As somebody who tries to blag a living from working within the nutrition industry, it's always an interest of mine to look back at some of the "old-school" approaches to nutrition and training and how it has evolved with the benefits of the ever enjoyable "scientific based research".

The Internet though is a bit marmite for me in regards to nutrition. I've reaped the benefits of it from being able to learn from some great nutritionists across the globe via Skype & e-courses which I would never have had the ability to do in the past.

The downside though is that there is some real class-A fraudsters out there who are offering advice that is ridiculously dangerous to people's health and the ever present conversations I have with prospective clients and interested parties about why carbohydrates aren't evil.

[Teddy's Toupee]

Archie Moore claimed to chew his food but not swallow it when making weight.

Moore later confessed it was just a load of old cobblers he made up - he used to like to tease reporters with fictitious facts about his diet and training regime.

That's why I put "claimed".

[King Tubby]

Didn't they used to eat a lot of raw eggs and steak?

[Cutman Scabbers]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhkdLHSKo9s