Why people bash journeyman fighters

[GalenBadBoyBrown]

Just wanted to know why people always put down journeyman fighters. Not all people but a lot and for the most part a person becomes a journeyman when they are not scared to fight anyone, on any notice I know I am considered a journeyman for sure. As my record speaks but I always go to a fight and try to win I don't have the money to bring in top trainers or sparring. Just wanted to know the thoughts from everyone good or bad don't matter to me I take all comments I am not sensitive lol.

[TheBeast]

Excellent post, anyone who steps in the Ring deserves our respect.

[palooka]

Just wanted to know why people always put down journeyman fighters. Not all people but a lot and for the most part a person becomes a journeyman when they are not scared to fight anyone, on any notice I know I am considered a journeyman for sure. As my record speaks but I always go to a fight and try to win I don't have the money to bring in top trainers or sparring. Just wanted to know the thoughts from everyone good or bad don't matter to me I take all comments I am not sensitive lol.

you should come across to the British and Irish forum sometimes, there are journeyman boxers who post who get respect and the forum is more respectful in general than CS.

[TheWigwam]

I have the utmost respect for journeymen fighters and think you are one of the better ones too Galen. Anyone who gets in the ring even to just give it a go deserves respect I have come to believe, and you guys are levels above that.
Without wishing to sound sanctimonious, I'd never use 'bum' or even 'tomato can' and think it stems from people who are not hardcore fans and/or people thinking they are a lot tougher, braver and naturally skilful than they actually are. This combined with never having been in a ring means there is no way of realising how hard it is to do what you do.

I have sparred and have trained on and off for 3 years, I hope to have my first amateur bout this season but I'm nervous as hell about the prospect! And that will likely be against someone a similar age with as little experience, not a seasoned and talented pro. Hats off to you mate

[littlepug]

Its just ignorance mate, it gets a bit grating at live shows hearing the dickheads abusing the journeymen but I don't class them as real boxing fans anyway, I retired with a losing record so know the feeling of some bloke asking "how many fights you win" and knowing they think you were shit when you tell them, that's why I only talk boxing with folk on here, anyway don't stress about it your already doing something the average bloke on the street wouldn't have the balls to put himself through and good luck with your career

[Boxing Prospect]

I think there are different "types" of journeymen and that's probably the key here.

Try watching, say, Domi Nenokeba or Boido Simanjuntak, and they never fight a half decent opponent with any intention to try and win. They are classed by some as journeyman and do travel for most of their fights but yet seem to be "professional losers".

Then their are the other type of journeymen, the ones that fight to win, even if they come up short, for example Espinos Sabu or yourself Galen. The second type are easy to support and will offer some value for viewers, win or lose. They will give an honest account of themselves every time.

Sadly I suspect most fighters with less than impressive records are all dubbed "journeymen" whether they "make an effort" or not.

[littlepug]

I think there are different "types" of journeymen and that's probably the key here.

Try watching, say, Domi Nenokeba or Boido Simanjuntak, and they never fight a half decent opponent with any intention to try and win. They are classed by some as journeyman and do travel for most of their fights but yet seem to be "professional losers".

Then their are the other type of journeymen, the ones that fight to win, even if they come up short, for example Espinos Sabu or yourself Galen. The second type are easy to support and will offer some value for viewers, win or lose. They will give an honest account of themselves every time.

Sadly I suspect most fighters with less than impressive records are all dubbed "journeymen" whether they "make an effort" or not.

Even the professional losers deserve some props, it doesn't make it an easier task knowing your gonna lose before you get in the ring.

[ikorolev]

It is not journeymen who deserve disrespect but some "champions" like Braehmer or Wilder who fight them.

[GalenBadBoyBrown]

It is not journeymen who deserve disrespect but some "champions" like Braehmer or Wilder who fight them.

That is 100% true I believe once your to the top you should fight other top fighters this is well said

[littlepug]

It is not journeymen who deserve disrespect but some "champions" like Braehmer or Wilder who fight them.

That is 100% true I believe once your to the top you should fight other top fighters this is well said

Yep everyone got a level but theres too many these days picking up good money picking on fighters levels below them and getting away with it

[Boxing Prospect]

I think there are different "types" of journeymen and that's probably the key here.

Try watching, say, Domi Nenokeba or Boido Simanjuntak, and they never fight a half decent opponent with any intention to try and win. They are classed by some as journeyman and do travel for most of their fights but yet seem to be "professional losers".

Then their are the other type of journeymen, the ones that fight to win, even if they come up short, for example Espinos Sabu or yourself Galen. The second type are easy to support and will offer some value for viewers, win or lose. They will give an honest account of themselves every time.

Sadly I suspect most fighters with less than impressive records are all dubbed "journeymen" whether they "make an effort" or not.

Even the professional losers deserve some props, it doesn't make it an easier task knowing your gonna lose before you get in the ring.

If you're not going to make an effort to try and win I find it hard to respect you. The guys that step in the ring, look for a soft spot to land and then take the count are doing the sport and fans a disservice.

I wouldn't give respect to other people who turn up to work and can't do the job not will make.the effort to actually try, why should I think differently because he's a boxer?

[littlepug]

I think there are different "types" of journeymen and that's probably the key here.

Try watching, say, Domi Nenokeba or Boido Simanjuntak, and they never fight a half decent opponent with any intention to try and win. They are classed by some as journeyman and do travel for most of their fights but yet seem to be "professional losers".

Then their are the other type of journeymen, the ones that fight to win, even if they come up short, for example Espinos Sabu or yourself Galen. The second type are easy to support and will offer some value for viewers, win or lose. They will give an honest account of themselves every time.

Sadly I suspect most fighters with less than impressive records are all dubbed "journeymen" whether they "make an effort" or not.

Even the professional losers deserve some props, it doesn't make it an easier task knowing your gonna lose before you get in the ring.

If you're not going to make an effort to try and win I find it hard to respect you. The guys that step in the ring, look for a soft spot to land and then take the count are doing the sport and fans a disservice.

I wouldn't give respect to other people who turn up to work and can't do the job not will make.the effort to actually try, why should I think differently because he's a boxer?

Its a fine line isn't it ? I tend to think those types know their limits so are ideal for novice pros to start their boxing education

[Boxing Prospect]

Fighting novices is fine IF they try to fight to win. No problem at all there.

[Redback Rasta]

Journeymen are soft targets and a many boxing fans delight in dishing out criticism.

[gilgamesh]

I got nothing but respect for any fighter who steps in the ring and gives it his all. The only fighters I refer to as Bums or Tomato Cans are guys who come in, and just lay down or fold the second things ain't going their way. I know you're the former Galen.

By the way I saw you got a fight with Eddie Chambers coming up in a few weeks. Best of luck in that one bud. Eddie Chambers is gonna be a tough assignment.

[tiny_acres]

Galen I respect the hell out of you. O have said it
on numerous occasions and will not change my mind.
Any guy that gives 100 percent every freaking time out deserves respect.

[GalenBadBoyBrown]

Galen I respect the hell out of you. O have said it
on numerous occasions and will not change my mind.
Any guy that gives 100 percent every freaking time out deserves respect.

Thanks it means a lot as I will always give 100% my last outing was by far my worst and I hope to bounce back with a good one so we will see in a couple weeks

[zojo]

Without journeymen, there is no sport.

[jamesmcdonnell]

..."Cause they don't keep their hands up..?"

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[joe strong]

Anyone who steps in the ring deserves respect. Journeymen fighters are an important part of the sport. Most people who bash anyone in the sport are nothing but armchair critics. They have never been in the ring so they have no idea what it takes. Today's fan are such bandwagon jumpers. I guy losses a couple of fights & he's a bum or a dud, overrated, etc, etc... I don't pay attention to these type of fans. On another website i'm on there are so many guys who just "boxing rec" a fighter & pretend they know all about him even though they have never watched the fights. They see the result on boxingrec that is it. A guy loses 117-111 & they assume the guy got schooled even though the rounds were close & you would know if you watched the fight. The best example I can think off hand is Glen Johnson. Some guy obviously had no idea who he was & when Johnson beat the guy the loser was a bum. Couldn't beat a guy with double digit losses. He got roasted & exposed by the real boxing fans. Respect to you & no journeymen do not deserve to be bashed unless they take a dive. If they put in a good effort they don't deserve to be bashed especially if they are going to gun fight with a knife. Sometimes the talent level is too great to overcome...

[koolkc107]

I don't always see it as the journeyman being disrespected.

If I disparage a fighter in comparison to the guy he is fighting, if I say that Elite fighter A needs to stop fighting soft touches like Journeyman B, that isn't a slight to B...it is calling A on his BS.

[stevedoc]

Boxing is different to other sports in that if I met a guy who was a pro golfer and he was on the tour but rarely made past the 2nd round I'd still think that guy has a great career and lifestyle the same with say a tennis player because no one is trying to KO them unlike boxing . I personally couldn't of been a journey man simply because I felt like shit when I lost and very depressed when I was stopped but that's just me ,in many ways it takes a lot more balls to be in the corner that's expected to lose than being the young hotshot .

[Freedom2013]

I respect any pro fighter, but the problem with journeymen fighting better opponents is that the result is usually 100% predictable.

For example, we know the thread starter is going to lose to Eddie Chambers this month.

What makes boxing interesting for me is competitive fights (when I don't know for sure who is going to win). A journeyman vs. a journeyman is more interesting than a world-class fighter vs. a journeyman.

Some journeyman seem to come to lose. That being said, I have the utmost respect for any journeyman who really comes to fight and pulls off an upset from time to time.

[KBB]

Just wanted to know why people always put down journeyman fighters. Not all people but a lot and for the most part a person becomes a journeyman when they are not scared to fight anyone, on any notice I know I am considered a journeyman for sure. As my record speaks but I always go to a fight and try to win I don't have the money to bring in top trainers or sparring. Just wanted to know the thoughts from everyone good or bad don't matter to me I take all comments I am not sensitive lol.

Every fighter starts out as a journeyman fighter, some are just blessed with certain gifts or have that pedigree that sets them apart from others and then they go on to excel as champions.

[pound per pound]

Just wanted to know why people always put down journeyman fighters. Not all people but a lot and for the most part a person becomes a journeyman when they are not scared to fight anyone, on any notice I know I am considered a journeyman for sure. As my record speaks but I always go to a fight and try to win I don't have the money to bring in top trainers or sparring. Just wanted to know the thoughts from everyone good or bad don't matter to me I take all comments I am not sensitive lol.

Prospects need to pass tests before their managers will risk them in bigger fights. As such Journeyman are an essential part of boxing.

The best ones show heart and try to win against the odds.