Oscar Destroys Floyd In Letter Posted in Playboy

[Kingfield]

should have written it on a speak and spell for floyd.

[koolkc107]

Ellerbe was dumb-founded by De La Hoya's words regarding the Alvarez fight and said he was concerned De La Hoya "may have a problem." De La Hoya entered drug and alcohol rehabilitation in 2013, days before Alvarez fought Mayweather in the biggest fight of his career.

"That concerns me because Oscar is the one who put him in there with Floyd," Ellerbe said. "He wasn't there for his fighter when he was the one who put him in this big fight. The fact that he would put him in a fight he said he was too young for, and I guess he means too inexperienced for, makes me worry about him."

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/boxing/de ... RzZWMDc2M-

[Ricky_]

should have written it on a speak and spell for floyd.

[gilgamesh]

Oscar is pretty much right to be fair.

This "0" thing pisses me off though, Floyd LOST to Castillo. Because three barnpot judges gave ridiculous scoring and "officially" awarded the fight to Floyd that doesn't mean Floyd won it. He DIDN'T. There is no "0" in reality, it is a rogue "0".

Right about what?

Floyd is "boring"?

I understand why casual fans would think and say that. But I notice that the only folks IN THE GAME who say it are boxers who got their ass whipped by Floyd (or folks in business with the loser).

Most boxing folk with no dog in the hunt marvel at what Mayweather does in the ring.

About Floyd running?

He doesn't run, he boxes...and comes FORWARD during significant portions of ALL his fights. Good of Oscar to mention he "ran" against Trinidad but he should have also mentioned what he said right after he found out he lost that fight. How he excused his actions as "giving Tito a boxing lesson". For the record, I agreed with that. Even backing up, Oscar landed more punches and had the clearer ones as well. But the sad part is what he did is much closer to "running" than anything Mayweather did as a welter.

As for Castillo, Floyd won both...clearly. JLC had some hellacious rounds, but he lost at least 2 more than he won. And lost even more convincingly the second time around.

Folks can hate all they want, but Floyd's legacy in the top alltime P4P conversation is secure. He isn't the GOAT as he likes to say, but no debate about the GOAT will ever be complete without his name being mentioned.

No he didn't. Castillo won the first fight 115-111. That was a clearer win for Castillo than Mayweather's win in the rematch IMO, and I've watched both fights numerous times.

That being said, I never busted Floyd's balls about being boring. I've seen FAR more boring fighters than Floyd. He's not the most exciting guy to watch, but he doesn't bore me. He's very effective. I was a bit baffled why there was constantly a PPV audience for him considering that the general public seemed disappointed from almost all of his fights, so I was at a loss as to why the PPV's kept selling I would assume to the same people who claimed displeasure time and time again, but I always just saw him as what he was. A masterful boxer who won almost all of his fights comfortably.

[koolkc107]

To say that fight was 115-111, means you have to be one of the most biased fight observers there are.

You have a 4 round gap in a fight with no knockdowns. You only have a 115 for Castillo which means you have him taking 7 rounds; but you had to score 2 of the 7 as 10-8, since Floyd only has 111 points according to you.

Castillo won no more than 5 rounds, some very handily, but not one of them so widely to merit 10-8.

It is scoring like yours that makes sensible discuss about things like this impossible.

[Undefeated49-0]

Dear Floyd:

You did it. You made it to the 49–0 mark, a milestone that you like to say only the great Rocky -Marciano reached but that was actually achieved by others, including my idol Julio César Chávez—but who’s counting? And now you’re retiring. Again. (The first time was after our fight in 2007.) This time you say it’s for real. You’re serious about hanging up the gloves. On to bigger and better things. So I’m writing to you today to wish you a fond farewell. Truth be told, I’m not unhappy to see you retire. Neither are a lot of boxing fans. Scratch that. MOST boxing fans. Why? Because the fight game will be a better one without you in it.

Let’s face it: You were boring. Just take a look at your most recent performance, your last hurrah in the ring, a 12-round decision against Andre Berto. How to describe it? A bust? A disaster? A snooze fest? An affair so one-sided that on one judge’s card Berto didn’t win a single round? Everyone in boxing knew Berto didn’t have a chance. I think more people watched Family Guy reruns that night than tuned in to that pay-per-view bout. But I didn’t mind shelling out $75 for the HD broadcast. In fact it’s been a great investment. When my kids have trouble falling asleep, I don’t have to read to them anymore. I just play them your Berto fight. They don’t make it past round three.

Another reason boxing is better off without you: You were afraid. Afraid of taking chances. Afraid of risk. A perfect example is your greatest “triumph,” the long-awaited record-breaking fight between you and Manny Pacquiao. Nearly 4.5 million buys! More than $400 million in revenue! Headlines worldwide! How can that be bad for boxing? Because you lied. You promised action and entertainment and a battle for the ages, and you delivered none of the above. The problem is, that’s precisely how you want it. You should have fought Pacquiao five years ago, not five months ago. That, however, would have been too dangerous. Too risky. You’ve made a career out of being cautious. You won’t get in the ring unless you have an edge. Sure, you fought some big names. But they were past their prime. Hell, even when we fought in 2007—and I barely lost a split decision—I was at the tail end of my career. Then later you took on Mexican megastar Saúl “Canelo” -Álvarez, but he was too young and had to drop too much weight.

Me? I got into this business to take chances. I took on all comers in their prime. The evidence? I lost. Six times. After 31 wins, my first loss was to Félix Trinidad, and I learned a valuable lesson that is true both in the ring and in life: Don’t run. I didn’t stop taking on the best of the best. After beating Derrell Coley, I took on “Sugar” Shane Mosley at the height of his powers—undefeated and considered by many to be the pound-for-pound best in the world. Again, I lost. After four wins against more top-ranked fighters I took on Mosley again. We can debate who actually won the rematch, but the judges had me losing that one as well.

Did I go easy after that? No. I moved up to middleweight to win a belt and faced one of the greatest middleweights of all time, Bernard Hopkins. After a body shot that I’m still feeling took me out of the fight, I took on two more guys at the height of their power who, many years later, would finally face each other at the ages of 36 and 38—Manny Pacquiao and you. When fighters do that—when they risk losing—that’s when everyone wins. The mantra of my firm Golden Boy Promotions is simple: the best taking on the best. It’s too bad you didn’t do the same.

You took the easy way out. When you weren’t dancing around fading stars (show idea for you: Dancing Around the Fading Stars), you were beating up on outclassed opponents. A lot of your opponents were above-average fighters, but they weren’t your caliber. You’re a very talented fighter, the best defensive fighter of our generation. But what good is talent if you don’t test it? Muhammad Ali did. Sugar Ray Leonard did. You? Not a chance. You spent 2000 to 2010 facing forgettable opening acts like Victoriano Sosa, Phillip N’dou, DeMarcus Corley, Henry Bruseles and Sharmba Mitchell. There were guys out there—tough scary opponents like Antonio Margarito and Paul Williams—but you ran from them. Were you ever on the track team in high school? You would have been a star.

Boxing will also be a better place without the Mouth. Your mouth, to be precise, the one that created “Money” Mayweather. I know you needed that Money Mayweather persona. Before he—and Golden Boy -Promotions—came along, nobody watched your fights. You couldn’t even sell out your hometown of Grand Rapids, Michigan. The Mouth made you money. More money than you could spend in a lifetime. (Wait, I’ve seen those episodes of 24/7. You probably will spend it all.) But the Mouth doesn’t have a place in boxing; save it for the WWE. Unless you’re someone like Ali, whose fights were as scintillating as his banter, the all-talk, no-entertainment model cheapens our sport. Boxers should speak with their fists and with their hearts. They don’t have to say anything to prove themselves. You’re going to have a legacy. You’ll be remembered as the guy who made the most money. As for your fights? We’ve already forgotten them.

Now that you’re stepping aside, attention can be turned to the sport’s real stars: the brawlers, the brave, the boxers who want nothing more than to face the best and therefore be the best. There’s Canelo, Kazakh KO sensation Gennady Golovkin, ferocious flyweight Román González, slugger Sergey Kovalev and a host of up-and-comers including Terence Crawford, Vasyl Lomachenko and Keith Thurman. Want to see what a monster fight looks like? Canelo takes on Miguel Cotto on November 21. It won’t do 4.4 million in PPV buys, but everyone who watches it will be thrilled. And that’s no empty promise.

You’re moving on to a new phase of life now, a second act. I’m sure it will be nice not to have to train year-round. To get out of the gym and spend time with your family. But I’m wondering what you’re going to do. You have a lot of time and, at the moment, a lot of money. Maybe you’ll put your true skills to work and open a used-car dealership or run a circus. Or maybe you’ll wind up back on Dancing With the Stars. It’s a job that’s safe, pays well and lets you run around on stage. Something you’ve been doing for most of your career.

Dearest Oscar de la Homo,
On behalf of the real and True Best Fighter of This Generation I'm responding in kind to the obvious and most pathetic letter of hatred written by the most Sore Loser of All Time in Any Sport.

Many people in the establishment and those who are bigots and racists are obviously upset that Floyd Mayweather Jr has tied and could easily break Rocky Marciano's fabled record (though he fought his best comp long past their primes the same of which you are claiming Floyd did). So it is ok that you have placed yourself in that same class of hateful bigots and racists because all losers of all types belong to the same class anyway.

Your idol (Julio Cesar Chavez Sr) fought his best competition long after he had beaten a huge string of unknown BUMS that not one person can name in his first 70 plus victories (what have any of them go on to do in boxing) but when he finally stepped up he did beat some noteworthy competition, in that same span of him facing BUMS the great Floyd Mayweather had already faced top level competition and beat them easily.

Chavez Jr also received gifts from his fight with Sweet Pea in a fight where anyone who wasn't blind or paid off knows he lost and then he got beaten by a virtual nobody in Frankie Randall, so let's not go acting as if Chavez's mythical record isn't filled and padded with NOBODIES and BUMS. One more thing to note that Andre Berto is no less a better an opponent than Lemieux who y'all same types (hateful bigots) give miles of credit to GGG for beating.

I could go deeper into your Hero's ledger and further show that he fought many more BUMS and NOBODIES after he was beaten but why bother when the point has been proven that Floyd did more in beating better opposition having less fights than Julio did by having more fights.

Sure Floyd's last fight wasn't a barn-burner and Andre Berto was no Pacquiao but hell let's just be honest, even Pacquiao wasn't the same Pacquiao he had previously been when he faced Mayweather and Floyd beat him easily; on that same note-Floyd deserved an easy fight after facing all of the best fighters basically one after the other and doing so while at an advanced age (a point at which you "DLH" had already quit fighting).

It's very refreshing to hear how you didn't consider yourself a "Test" not did you consider your boy/slave (Canelo) much of a "Test" for Floyd either as you made a pathetic attempt of an excuse by making it sound as though he was "too green" when he had just as many fights as Floyd did and many less than Chavez Sr did facing his best competition that he would ever face.

You say that he didn’t take chances when he faced you, Bob Arum was smart enough to ensure that you never got near him when he was calling you out while he was at 130, you claim he ducked Paul Williams when it is Paul Williams who says that Floyd never ducked him here’s a video of him stating such: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4fEFOoaBfs

You place all the blame on Floyd for not facing Pacquiao when Freddie Roach readily admits it was Manny’s fault for not facing Floyd (again, here is the video of him stating such): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUs8yAS_qTs

Not to mention we all know the story of how Manny refused to take the test which everyone with half a brain knows and admits now that the facts are out there and it was obviously Pacquiao’s fault. More proof of it being Pacquiao’s fault here: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/boxing--fl ... fight.html

You claim you barely lost a Split Decision, well allow me to be the one to tell you that you lost a wide decision, you were able to get a split simply based on your fame. You later go on to claim that Canelo lost because of losing too much weight in which we all know if he hadn’t opened his big mouth (at your behest I’m certain) that he would fight at a Catchweight or 152 then he could’ve just stfu and got the fight at the Jr MW weight limit of 154.

We all know you refused to jump onto HBO’s unofficial scales the night you faced Floyd because you didn’t want the world to know you got your ass whupped by a Lightweight just as you gotten beaten to a pulp in sparring by Valero: http://www.BS.com/valero-claim ... amp--17324 You claimed that he won't fight unless he has all the advantages but as I recall didn't he agree to all of your ridiculous demands of weight, gloves, ring size and purse? As i pointed out, weren't you heavier than him as well??

Valero even knew beforehand that Manny was going to destroy you because he was much smaller and did the same, not to mention how badly light punching Stevie Forbes had done to you as well. We all can tell just how fake you are in mentioning how much mileage you give a Bum and Cheater like Antonio MargoCHEATo even though he fought Manny for a Jr MW title at a Catchweight but you dare not down him or Manny for doing the exact same thing you’re accusing Floyd of doing vs your beloved Canelo.

Dude, am I reaching you yet? You really should just stfu or remove your stupid letter or do you really want me to take the gloves off?? You are pointing towards cowardice in Floyd when you ran faster than Usain Bolt vs Tito Trinidad, so you are in no position to talk and please don’t get me started on your wearing of lipstick and lingerie (which is why I called you de la Homo).
All this talk and putting down of Floyd for using his mouth to make money only further goes to show your obvious JEALOUSY and BITTERNESS of being eclipsed as the face of boxing but you just go ahead and continue exposing yourself because the truth of the matter is boxing was better off without you.

Every major fighter you faced that was anything really major in the sport you lost to them, Hopkins KO’d you, you ran from Tito, Shane beat you twice, Floyd beat you even easier than the score cards show, Manny toyed with you even though I give you a pass for being weight drained.
Outside of Vargas and an old ass Senior Citizen (Julio Cesar Chavez) you really didn’t beat anyone of note, they gave you a huge gift vs Whitaker just as they did for your hero (Chavez). So again, I point out that you are in no position to point a finger because all you do is spotlight yourself for your failed career and the gifts you were given.

It’s sad that you go on to name guys that probably will never be on the level of a mental midget such as yourself but you compare them to Floyd by placing rousing adjectives in front of their names like ferocious flyweight Chocolatito, KO sensation GGG and RUNTIME Keith Thurman.
I give you this, you praised everyone in boxing but Floyd in your letter but that’s because you are only trying to make the fans and those boxers ally themselves with you to justify your BS argument that I’ve shot more holes in than Swiss Cheese.

So in closing I’ll just say this, I hadn’t even gotten as raw as I could get on you and I haven’t even placed as many facts and links that I could here to justify my rant but anyone who isn’t in your group (hateful bigots and racists, plus JEALOUS/SORE LOSERS) can see that I told the truth and that was only using half of it.

Imagine if I really got at you??? The Moral of the Story is this; keep your eye on your lip fool and watch your mouth because you never know when there’s someone just itching to shut it for you.

[koolkc107]

Wow....just wow.

Sure hope someone gets that last post to Fishnets...

[Pureist]

You haven't posted for a while kbb, thought you would have had some input in the fluid maskingweather thread

[punchoutsb]

Welcome back new brut username!

I can't wait to see your interactions with yourself about a myriad of topics including Floyd Mayweather, Manny Pacquiao, governmental conspiracies, how everyone is racistand homosexuality.

Please behave yourself this time so you don't lose another username; It was too quiet around here with just three or four of your alts.

Edit: Forgot to add the bolded part!

[Ricky_]

brut

[Pureist]

49-0 how obvious do you want to be kbb, seriously, I knew you couldn't help yourself with oscars letter, must have been killing you not to post about IVgate

[G.McClellan]

Oscar may have an agenda in writing this letter, but you can't doubt the sincerity of it's content.

When Floyd tries to denigrate Ali accomplishments and place himself above him. It makes Floyd fair game for critical analysis of his own career.

[Undefeated49-0]

Oscar may have an agenda in writing this letter, but you can't doubt the sincerity of it's content.

When Floyd tries to denigrate Ali accomplishments and place himself above him. It makes Floyd fair game for critical analysis of his own career.

Sincerity, lol.

[caldo2025]

Oh no... I thought we smoked KBB out of here with IVgate. He's back.

[tiny_acres]

Oh no... I thought we smoked KBB out of here with IVgate. He's back.

Trolls always return

[Badhusker]

Oscar had an interview with Playboy? Did he pose in his fishnets also?

In other important news for those of you that seem to like Mayweather's name in the headlines...Khan is still whining about Floyd backing out of fighting him because he was scared, and saying he would have knocked him out.

[handsofstone]

Welcome back new brut username!

I can't wait to see your interactions with yourself about a myriad of topics including Floyd Mayweather, Manny Pacquiao, governmental conspiracies, how everyone is racistand homosexuality.

Please behave yourself this time so you don't lose another username; It was too quiet around here with just three or four of your alts.

Edit: Forgot to add the bolded part!

Havent you seen the Michelle Obama thread on off topic

[tiny_acres]

Oscar had an interview with Playboy? Did he pose in his fishnets also?

In other important news for those of you that seem to like Mayweather's name in the headlines...Khan is still whining about Floyd backing out of fighting him because he was scared, and saying he would have knocked him out.

There are 2 names in boxing that if I never read another word about either I would be content.
Khan and Haye.Two annoying twats that talk 10 times more than they fight

[greg]

...Oscar? Playboy? ...just like someone mentioned above..are we talking about this guy? check out the video as well...

http://www.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http ... 9yCh3AQgvL

don't think that letter in Playboy was necessary...

[jezzamundo]

Oscar is pretty much right to be fair.

This "0" thing pisses me off though, Floyd LOST to Castillo. Because three barnpot judges gave ridiculous scoring and "officially" awarded the fight to Floyd that doesn't mean Floyd won it. He DIDN'T. There is no "0" in reality, it is a rogue "0".

Right about what?

Floyd is "boring"?

I understand why casual fans would think and say that. But I notice that the only folks IN THE GAME who say it are boxers who got their ass whipped by Floyd (or folks in business with the loser).

Most boxing folk with no dog in the hunt marvel at what Mayweather does in the ring.

About Floyd running?

He doesn't run, he boxes...and comes FORWARD during significant portions of ALL his fights. Good of Oscar to mention he "ran" against Trinidad but he should have also mentioned what he said right after he found out he lost that fight. How he excused his actions as "giving Tito a boxing lesson". For the record, I agreed with that. Even backing up, Oscar landed more punches and had the clearer ones as well. But the sad part is what he did is much closer to "running" than anything Mayweather did as a welter.

As for Castillo, Floyd won both...clearly. JLC had some hellacious rounds, but he lost at least 2 more than he won. And lost even more convincingly the second time around.

Folks can hate all they want, but Floyd's legacy in the top alltime P4P conversation is secure. He isn't the GOAT as he likes to say, but no debate about the GOAT will ever be complete without his name being mentioned.

No he didn't. Castillo won the first fight 115-111. That was a clearer win for Castillo than Mayweather's win in the rematch IMO, and I've watched both fights numerous times.

That being said, I never busted Floyd's balls about being boring. I've seen FAR more boring fighters than Floyd. He's not the most exciting guy to watch, but he doesn't bore me. He's very effective. I was a bit baffled why there was constantly a PPV audience for him considering that the general public seemed disappointed from almost all of his fights, so I was at a loss as to why the PPV's kept selling I would assume to the same people who claimed displeasure time and time again, but I always just saw him as what he was. A masterful boxer who won almost all of his fights comfortably.

To say that you scored the first Castillo fight to Floyd shows you are probably a bit biased towards Floyd, or at least towards his style of fighting. To say that Floyd unequivocally deserved to win the fight shows definite bias. I also scored the fight 115-111 to Castillo, which admittedly is as wide in that direction as you can have the fight, 114-112 Castillo would be fine too. I could even see a draw or a single round win to Floyd, although that's being very generous to Floyd. The wideness of the official scorecards in the fight pretty much confirm that something fishy was going on.

I know CompuBox isn't meant for scoring fights, but the numbers do tell a story of the nature of the fight.

Floyd outjabbed Castillo with 91 connects to 30, but Castillo landed 173 power punches to Floyd's 66. He outlanded Floyd 203 to 157 overall, threw more punches and landed at a higher connect percentage.

Of course, boxing is scored round-by-round, but whatever way you look at it, the judges' scorecards were way off the mark.

Floyd clearly won the rematch, yet the scorecards for that fight were much closer - perhaps trying to make amends for the dodgy nature of the first fight.

[koolkc107]

Floyd won the first fight clearly and by a pretty wide margin. The judges (who were closer than you and me and our TVs could ever get) had it 115-111, 115-111, and 116-111.

They saw it a full 8 points different than you two saying Castillo won 115-111.

Every time I score it I get no closer than 4 points in favor of Floyd.

I honestly would like to sit down with someone who thinks Castillo won that fight and go round by round...

to see how in the world they can justify seeing stuff that just aint there.

[Pureist]

All that says kooli is that you have no idea (already knew that anyway) even kbb, floyds biggest supporter said there was no question that Castillo won that fight yet every time YOU watch it, floyd wins by a bigger margin, next thing will be you have floyd 18 rounds ahead of Castillo, you can't put brains in bricks I always say

[jezzamundo]

Floyd won the first fight clearly and by a pretty wide margin. The judges (who were closer than you and me and our TVs could ever get) had it 115-111, 115-111, and 116-111.

They saw it a full 8 points different than you two saying Castillo won 115-111.

Every time I score it I get no closer than 4 points in favor of Floyd.

I honestly would like to sit down with someone who thinks Castillo won that fight and go round by round...

to see how in the world they can justify seeing stuff that just aint there.

Judges make poor decisions all the time - some are good, some are incompetent and some are corrupt. Considering all three judges scored this fight wide for Floyd, I think it's quite likely they fit in the corrupt category in this instance. I'll be generous and say it wasn't a robbery, because while Castillo landed the harder, more meaningful punches, and more of them, fights are scored round-by-round, and looking at it that way, it was a competitive fight that could be scored for either fighter.

Here are some media scorecards:

Steve Kim 116-112 Castillo
Harold Lederman 115-111 Castillo
BadLeftHook 114-113 Castillo
Boxing Chronicle 114-112 Castillo
The Boxing Tribune 113-113 Draw
Dan Rafael 114-114 Draw
Doug Fischer 115-114 Mayweather
Kevin Iole 115-113 Mayweather
Associated Presss 115-111 Mayweather

Here's a really good, unbiased article on the scoring for the fight http://theboxingtribune.com/2010/02/con ... astillo-i/

[gilgamesh]

To say that you scored the first Castillo fight to Floyd shows you are probably a bit biased towards Floyd, or at least towards his style of fighting. To say that Floyd unequivocally deserved to win the fight shows definite bias. I also scored the fight 115-111 to Castillo, which admittedly is as wide in that direction as you can have the fight, 114-112 Castillo would be fine too. I could even see a draw or a single round win to Floyd, although that's being very generous to Floyd. The wideness of the official scorecards in the fight pretty much confirm that something fishy was going on.

I know CompuBox isn't meant for scoring fights, but the numbers do tell a story of the nature of the fight.

Floyd outjabbed Castillo with 91 connects to 30, but Castillo landed 173 power punches to Floyd's 66. He outlanded Floyd 203 to 157 overall, threw more punches and landed at a higher connect percentage.

Of course, boxing is scored round-by-round, but whatever way you look at it, the judges' scorecards were way off the mark.

Floyd clearly won the rematch, yet the scorecards for that fight were much closer - perhaps trying to make amends for the dodgy nature of the first fight.

I don't even think Floyd's win in the rematch was all that clear. I had it 115-113, and you can make a case for it being 114-114. Castillo won the first fight more clearly than Floyd won the 2nd. I know that's not a popular opinion, but that's mine, and I've watched both fights numerous times like I said. Floyd would've always had a hard night with a prime Castillo.

[MachoTime]

brut

Yup..