roman gonzalez seems overrated to me

[Baby Face Finster]

On several critics P4P Top 10 lists Juan Francisco Estrada is ranked, and Gonzalez beat him handily. It was a competitive fight, but the winner wasn't in doubt. That says a lot about his abilities. Gonzalez has one of the most consistent attacks I've seen, I think the only way to beat him is to catch him coming in and take him out with a KO shot. I doubt you'd be able to outhustle him to a 12 round decision at this stage of his career.

Exactly what Inoue will do to him if he has the balls to face him. That come forward attack of his will get him stretchered out of the ring against Inoue.

[jujigatame]

Lots of top amateurs have not developed into elite pros. And I don't buy that Saludar was anything special.

It's not just BoxRec that didn't rate Arroyo before the fight. Fightnews had him at #16 in the division. The Ring had him at #7. In both cases that's below both Viloria and Sosa who we can all agree were not great opponents for a P4P type of fighter.

Hopefully Gonzalez fights one of the 3 names he mentioned (Cuadras, Estrada, McJoe) next. Those are all quality opponents. I'd love to see him fight Estrada and unify at 112, but if he's 126 in the ring now, making 112 has gotta be tough and I would understand him moving to 115.

[Boxing Prospect]

Whilst no one will suggest Arroyo was an elite win he was certainly another solid name to add to Romans record, much like Gejon was (very underrated win) and Hirales Garcia, like with Golovkin there is plenty of B tier wins, which is where I'd put Arroyo, below the likes of Takayama, Estrada, Yaegashi and even Rodriguez.

For whatever it's worth I thought McJoe got given his title, I had Villanueva beating him by a couple and thought the judging there was horrific

[gilgamesh]

On several critics P4P Top 10 lists Juan Francisco Estrada is ranked, and Gonzalez beat him handily. It was a competitive fight, but the winner wasn't in doubt. That says a lot about his abilities. Gonzalez has one of the most consistent attacks I've seen, I think the only way to beat him is to catch him coming in and take him out with a KO shot. I doubt you'd be able to outhustle him to a 12 round decision at this stage of his career.

Exactly what Inoue will do to him if he has the balls to face him. That come forward attack of his will get him stretchered out of the ring against Inoue.

I'd love to see that fight, and yes I agree Inoue sparking Gonzalez is a very strong possibility

[ClivePatrickLyons]

Please how is Gonzalez P4P number 1 he would be lucky to be in the P4P TOP 10.

[dempseyfire]

He's faced better opposition than just about anyone in the sport.

I like Gonzo but I don't think that's a supportable statement. These are his best wins:

@105
Niida (2008): Solid fighter but only really "elite" in a very thin 105 pound divison.
Takayama (2009): Same as above.

@108
Estrada (2012): Quality win but only 22 years old and not the fighter he has since developed into.

@112
Yaegashi (2014): Fantastic win, no question.
Sosa (2015): In his mid-30s when the fight happened, way past his prime.
Viloria (2015): Same as above.

Compare this to Floyd, who in the first decade of his career fought Hernandez, Manfredy, Corrales, Castillo, Corely, Gatti, N'Dou, Mitchell, and Judah, almost all of whom were in their primes.

Lower weight classes just don't have such a number of good opponents.

Are you joking? Please don't tell me Golovkin, Kovalev or any Heavyweight has been beating superior comp . . . the lone fighter one could maybe argue is Alvarez who has at least 3 gift decisions already.

[ikorolev]

Are you joking? Please don't tell me Golovkin, Kovalev or any Heavyweight has been beating superior comp . . . the lone fighter one could maybe argue is Alvarez who has at least 3 gift decisions already.

They would certainly have an opportunity to have beaten better opponents if Sturms, Quillins, Martinezes, Taylors, Cottos, Canelos, Stevensons, Braehmers, etc. were not hiding. Roman's choices are limited even if he could pick anyone.

[King Carlos]

He's faced better opposition than just about anyone in the sport.

@108
Estrada (2012): Quality win but only 22 years old and not the fighter he has since developed into.

@112
Yaegashi (2014): Fantastic win, no question.
Sosa (2015): In his mid-30s when the fight happened, way past his prime.
Viloria (2015): Same as above.

Estrada looked as good against Gonzalez as he's ever looked since, regardless of age.

I disagree on your view of the Flyweight crop. Yeah, Sosa clearly wasn't up to much by then, and he more or less just laid down, but Viloria was nothing like that far gone, gave it his all, and was still an excellent fighter. The difference in quality of those wins is wide.

Viloria was better than Yaegashi, too, in my opinion.

[jujigatame]

Disagree. Viloria was 35 years old. That's utterly ancient for a flyweight.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

PED's have changed the aging for any division.

[Tanzio]

Chocolatito is overrated by some and underrated by others. He is quality. P4p #1? Not in my opinion. Top 10? Absolutely.

Dude just keeps defeating who they place before him. I can't find fault with that, although it would be nice if his people put a bigger challenge or three in front of him.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Chocolatito is overrated by some and underrated by others. He is quality. P4p #1? Not in my opinion. Top 10? Absolutely.

Dude just keeps defeating who they place before him. I can't find fault with that, although it would be nice if his people put a bigger challenge or three in front of him.

His people are all about that. Yaegashi was a huge challenge, another top fighter in his prime with no weight struggle. Like I said earlier, Sosa & Viloria make sense for HBO. At least some of their viewers have seen them fight. Now he's drawing as well as a Ward with ratings, they can start shipping guys in.

[brilo33]

roman looked good the other night lost about 3 rds in the whole fight maybe,only can beat what is in front of him. and he won all the early rounds didnt need to risk any thing silly after 6, i would think roman is a mad man if he trades in the 8th with the fight in the bag, a man with 40 od wins dont do that because he wouldnt have 40 wins if he did

[man]

Chocolatito is overrated by some and underrated by others. He is quality. P4p #1? Not in my opinion. Top 10? Absolutely.

Dude just keeps defeating who they place before him. I can't find fault with that, although it would be nice if his people put a bigger challenge or three in front of him.

that's how i see it. ring magazine
having him as p4p no1 seems
wrong to me.

[Boxing Prospect]

Disagree. Viloria was 35 years old. That's utterly ancient for a flyweight.

Would you give Roman credit if he beat 36 year old Amnat Ruenroeng?...

[jujigatame]

Disagree. Viloria was 35 years old. That's utterly ancient for a flyweight.

Would you give Roman credit if he beat 36 year old Amnat Ruenroeng?...

More than for Viloria, yes. But I do think Ruenroeng is the most vulnerable of the other titlists.

[cold187]

reunrong has a better resume

[jujigatame]

Also Ruenroeng isn't a 15-year pro with a ton of mileage on him like Viloria is.