Did Golovkin get lucky against Lemieux

[Horse]

I don't think it was an intentional foul if that's what you're asking I just figure Golovkin is such an aggressive finisher that he was still throwing punches when Lemieux dropped to the knee. He pulled back the force of the shot when Lemieux was on the ground, and it landed with minimal force, not enough to do any kind of damage.

Good thing he wasn't in the ring with Andre Dirrell that night. He would've started flopping around like a fish.

It looked intentional to me.

What did he think was happening?

Why did he think that Lemieux's head had suddenly dropped three feet lower than normal?

[jamesmcdonnell]

Are you serious - can you name an occasion a referee took two points from a fighter for hitting someone when down. As you're not known for bursts of humour, I can only assume you are serious.

I can't recall an occasion from memory, but that doesn't mean that it shouldn't happen.

Does anyone think that Golovkin simply didn't realise that Lemieux had dropped to a knee?

I think it is fairly commonplace for fighters to follow up with a single shot as an opponent goes to the knee, it's hard to get their aggressive instincts in check - it's when it's a flagrant attempt to land a decisive blow is issued I think it becomes an issue. I'd rather see a fighter be given a final warning rather than to start docking 2 points, which could have a huge impact on the result of a fight potentially.

[Horse]

I think it is fairly commonplace for fighters to follow up with a single shot as an opponent goes to the knee, it's hard to get their aggressive instincts in check - it's when it's a flagrant attempt to land a decisive blow is issued I think it becomes an issue. I'd rather see a fighter be given a final warning rather than to start docking 2 points, which could have a huge impact on the result of a fight potentially.

A one point deduction would have done.

If fighters don't want to get points deducted then they probably shouldn't cheat.

[jamesmcdonnell]

I think it is fairly commonplace for fighters to follow up with a single shot as an opponent goes to the knee, it's hard to get their aggressive instincts in check - it's when it's a flagrant attempt to land a decisive blow is issued I think it becomes an issue. I'd rather see a fighter be given a final warning rather than to start docking 2 points, which could have a huge impact on the result of a fight potentially.

A one point deduction would have done.

If fighters don't want to get points deducted then they probably shouldn't cheat.

I think either a point deduction or a final warning that you will DQ them if they do it again, either is fine.

[BAD INTENTIONS]

Poor fundamentals on Lemiuex's part.

Guys duck to the level a fighter takes a knee to all the time.
Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference if you're standing really close.

If a guy wants to stop getting hit, he should go all the way down to the floor in a fetal position.

[gilgamesh]

It's much ado about nothing to keep talking about it. It was a love tap, GGG could've lost a point...he didn't. No big deal.

[Horse]

If a guy wants to stop getting hit, he should go all the way down to the floor in a fetal position.

https://youtu.be/RFmaMfG_OE0?t=3m48s

[BAD INTENTIONS]

If a guy wants to stop getting hit, he should go all the way down to the floor in a fetal position.

https://youtu.be/RFmaMfG_OE0?t=3m48s

I was thinking about this exact same instance. I was going to reference it.

[BAD INTENTIONS]

I've never been able to understand what made Maussa throw that punch.

[gilgamesh]

Maussa is lucky he didn't make contact because that definitely would've been a DQ if he had. The guy was all the way down on the ground, Maussa's glove just hit the bottom rope though saving him from a DQ. That was definitely stupid of him to throw that shot though.

[Lackeos]

Nothing in the rules says a fighter cannot take a knee at any stage, they will most likely lose the round 10-8 and also risk the fight being stopped as a fighter voluntarily taking a knee is a sign of distress. However it is not a foul or grounds for a DQ.

3.38 The following acts shall not be permitted during a Contest:-
(a) hitting below the belt:
(b) using the “pivot blow”:
(c) hitting on the back of the head or neck:
(d) kidney punching;
(e) hitting with the open glove, the inside, or the butt or the back of the hand, or with the wrist or elbow;
(f) holding, butting, or careless use of the head, shouldering, wrestling or roughing:
(g) not trying;
(h) persistently ducking below the waistline;
(i) intentional falling without receiving a blow;
(j) failing to break when so ordered, or striking or attempting to strike an opponent on the break;
(k) deliberately striking a opponent when he is dropping to the floor or when he is down;
(l) hitting an opponent after the termination of a round;
(m) any other conduct which a Referee may deem foul;

Anything on the order of refusing to fight, running out of the ring, going down without being hit (including taking a knee), outright running from the opponent, etc. can potentially result in you immediately losing the fight. The only reason that some fighters haven't been dq'ed for taking a knee is that time since the last punch connected is subjective and not measured in exact seconds, and even trained referees don't always enforce the rules to perfection.

The Current Scene had an entire thread about the topic of taking knees about a year ago. We got to the bottom of the motherf*cker.

Taking a knee is not refusing to fight.. Taking a knee is not falling without being hit.. Taking a knee is strategically giving yourself a few seconds of respite to clear your head.. It's a legitimate tactic.. Sergei Liakhovich used it in his win over Lamon Brewster, which got him a world title.. And I agree on Korobov in his Lee fight.. He was winning the fight until he got tagged with a big shot that didn't put him down.. Since that loss he's nowhere and fought two 8-rounders in the last year... When you're from Eastern Europe or Cuba you'd better win every damned fight.

Dude, are you colorblind? Do you not see the bold, red thing?

[crusader]

Whatever the rules say, it's a widespread convention for the boxer who landed the blow to be credited with a knockdown, rather than for the boxer who took the knee to be warned or deducted for fouling.

I can't recall any case in which a fighter took a knee in obvious response to a damaging blow or series of blows, only to then be admonished for breaking the rules.

[Serragon]

A boxer is only supposed to be DQ'd if the foul is judged to be intentional. The referee can take points even if the foul is judged to be accidental. So I don't think he was lucky to not be DQ'd, but he was lucky to not lose points.

As far as taking a knee goes, it is most definately a foul. It is essentially calling Time out in a sport without boxer initiated timeouts. It gives the boxer taking the knee an unfair advantage as it prevents the other boxer from attacking when they are most vulnerable.

Most referees feel that the automatic loss of the point that comes with taking a knee is sufficient punishment, but it is within their jurisdiction to punish it further. They could issue a warning, take points, or even DQ the fighter as taking a knee is clearly intentional. My personal feeling is that 1 extra point should be assessed for intentionally taking a knee as you are essentially doing it to prevent the KO.

[Ruthless-RKO]

A boxer is only supposed to be DQ'd if the foul is judged to be intentional. The referee can take points even if the foul is judged to be accidental. So I don't think he was lucky to not be DQ'd, but he was lucky to not lose points.

As far as taking a knee goes, it is most definately a foul. It is essentially calling Time out in a sport without boxer initiated timeouts. It gives the boxer taking the knee an unfair advantage as it prevents the other boxer from attacking when they are most vulnerable.

Most referees feel that the automatic loss of the point that comes with taking a knee is sufficient punishment, but it is within their jurisdiction to punish it further. They could issue a warning, take points, or even DQ the fighter as taking a knee is clearly intentional. My personal feeling is that 1 extra point should be assessed for intentionally taking a knee as you are essentially doing it to prevent the KO.

Lemieux taking a knee was a late reaction to a body shot.

[Serragon]

A boxer is only supposed to be DQ'd if the foul is judged to be intentional. The referee can take points even if the foul is judged to be accidental. So I don't think he was lucky to not be DQ'd, but he was lucky to not lose points.

As far as taking a knee goes, it is most definately a foul. It is essentially calling Time out in a sport without boxer initiated timeouts. It gives the boxer taking the knee an unfair advantage as it prevents the other boxer from attacking when they are most vulnerable.

Most referees feel that the automatic loss of the point that comes with taking a knee is sufficient punishment, but it is within their jurisdiction to punish it further. They could issue a warning, take points, or even DQ the fighter as taking a knee is clearly intentional. My personal feeling is that 1 extra point should be assessed for intentionally taking a knee as you are essentially doing it to prevent the KO.

Lemieux taking a knee was a late reaction to a body shot.

I would agree that it was a knockdown. I was speaking more generally about taking a knee.