Be honest, the biggest upset you predicted

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Counter-puncher wrote:Watson over Benn
Winky over Tito
Hopkins over Tarver
Barrera over Hamed

Not huge upsets particularly
Hopkins-Tarver pretty steep upset, wasn't it?? Remember Winky-Felix as them both coming back. Benn-Watson can't tell u. Barrera-Hamed can't tell you! Both "very very good!"
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APerno wrote:How about the opposite - I bet the farm on Foreman against Ali - ouch! :brick: I thought it was easy money in the bank; it's been 42 years and I'm still pissed!
Yeah! The whole world expected GF would win.
Wasn't it so very unique that aura GF had going into that fight! I always am telling people about how, the world never seen since or before anything like GEORGE FOREMAN.
He really SHOULD OF won that night! Ali..another miricle night for him.
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Fury over Wlad most recently - I knew Fury would always be a punch away from destruction, but had taken note of how much Tyson had improved and Wlad had aged in recent fights.
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Nicely done, I made no money but enjoyed watching Tyson expose the fraud. Worst fight I've ever seen though.
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APerno wrote:How about the opposite - I bet the farm on Foreman against Ali - ouch! :brick: I thought it was easy money in the bank; it's been 42 years and I'm still pissed!
I picked Jeff Lacy to DESTROY Calzaghe...how wrong I was :doh:
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Lewis over Ruddock.

I predicted Lewis would win when many thought Ruddock was the overwhelming favourite, however, I didn't predict that Lewis would decimate Razor without breaking sweat! :oo
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I picked Stevie Cruz over McGuigan. Leonard over Hagler.
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SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Nicely done, I made no money but enjoyed watching Tyson expose the fraud. Worst fight I've ever seen though.
It was certainly a horrible clash of styles - I've seen worse fights, but not at the highest level. In his prime, Wlad may have landed the KO punch, but I think Fury would always have presented him with problems.
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allInmoderationAIM wrote:
APerno wrote:How about the opposite - I bet the farm on Foreman against Ali - ouch! :brick: I thought it was easy money in the bank; it's been 42 years and I'm still pissed!
Yeah! The whole world expected GF would win.
Wasn't it so very unique that aura GF had going into that fight! I always am telling people about how, the world never seen since or before anything like GEORGE FOREMAN.
He really SHOULD OF won that night! Ali..another miricle night for him.

The Foreman fight taught me quite the lesson - years later a close fiend kept going on about how no one will be able to stop Tyson for years to come - I would smile and try to explain to her how we all felt about Foreman back in the 70s, but she would have none of it, she was certain no one could beat Tyson - that is until Douglas of course, then it was her turn to have her eyes opened - everyone is beatable, everyone!

I remember listening to some guy on talk radio explaining how Tyson could never be KOed because his neck was so strong that it would be impossible to snap his neck back enough far enough to knock him out (some self-proclaimed [idoit] expert actually said that)- I wonder what he thought when he saw Douglas' uppercut
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Fury over Wlad most recently - I knew Fury would always be a punch away from destruction, but had taken note of how much Tyson had improved and Wlad had aged in recent fights.
That's certainly an interesting recent one....and pretty sure I sat right on the fence myself!

I did feel that Wlad had not faced anyone as seriously big, young and fired-up as Fury for a while and that Tyson could actually box and move in a way that would cause WK all sorts of problems.

So the smashing of Fury seemed completely off kilter and was perhaps really about some folk wanting to see that outcome.

At the same time, I did wonder how Tyson was actually going to get those belts off Wlad bearing in mind that it was in Germany and plenty of other guys across the weight divisions had gone over there and been (in some cases) blatantly denied clear-cut points wins.

One of those stinking draws actually seemed likely to me.

The fight did stink...but thankfully Wlad was so toothless and generally befuddled that Tyson got the decision.
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I predicted the Douglas upset of Tyson, but only facetiously. I heard stories of Tyson not putting in a great training camp, and Douglas training very hard. I said any number of times things like, "Mike's gonna get his ass knocked out.. Buster is a big boy." ... People tried to give me credit for calling it, but If I really believed Douglas would win I certainly have gotten my money down.. The fight taught me not to play who I thought would win, but to consider the odds 1st and foremost ... and go with whoever had a much better chance than the odds gave them.

When I was really young kid I predicted Johansson would beat Patterson.. I also predicted Patterson would win the rematch and rubbermatch.. I saw Eddie Machen fight. He was undefeated in 24 fights or so and I figured he would make short work of Johansson...but Ingo flattened him and I knew Patterson was in trouble. Ingo did a long interview with Life Magazine and sounded very confident. He said his right hand had a mind of it's own and nobody could absorb it.. Pete Rademacher decked Patterson really hard with a right hand -- and he wasn't a good puncher. It's just a feeling you get that the underdog will surprise the favorite and win decisively.

I knew Clay was going to beat Liston... Liston looked much older than advertised to me... I knew he had 3 rounds of action in 3 years and that was key. I was a teenager and enthralled by Clay, like a lot of my friends were. My dad thought Liston would kill Clay and we had a bet going.

I didn't see any possible way Frazier could beat Foreman.. People said Foreman fought no one.. I knew pretty much that the level of opponents wasn't that crucial.. The physical size and strength of the boxers meant much more in this case -- because they were both easy to hit.

Two more I called were Forrest versus Mosley and Donaire versus Darchinyan... and more recently Fury vs Klitschko... I missed a few picks, such as Canelo vs Lara and Lomachenko vs Salido.. mostly because of bad officiating and judging. You can't do a damned thing about rotten officiating.. Sometimes you just flat out miss a pick and can't believe you missed it. Everything looks so clear and obvious in retrospect.
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I predict Fury vs Wlad.
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My best upset prediction was Hide v Bentt because I cleaned up at the bookies when I got 40/1 for round 7 :OhYes:
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Not upsets, but in 8th grade I told everybody on the schoolyard that Cooney would KO Norton in the first round that night. People were like, "Cooney may win, but not in the very first round!"

Years later when Tua - Moorer was announced I was pretty certain it'd be a one-round blowout.

In late 1988 or 89 I bet a co-worker $1 that if they ever fought, Holyfield would beat Tyson. But by the time they did fight I was picking Tyson, though not as easily as many. If you recall, people were picking Tyson by very early knockout and were fearing for Evander's health based on his Bowe III and Czyz performances. I was thinking, "Holyfield will be motivated for this. He's never going down early against anyone. He's going to give Mike a few rounds of good work."
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Holyfield versus Tyson was 1 of the easiest calls ever.. I didn't understand the odds. They were laughable... One of the few fights in a generation that was skewed to a ridiculous degree that makes no sense.. A motivated Douglas flattened Tyson and a motivated Holyfield made very short work of an unmotivated Douglas.. What are you supposed to make of that??? .. Some fighters don't bother training hard for a fight when they feel they have little chance to win... If Douglas thought he could beat Holyfield he would have trained about as hard as he did for Tyson..

It's not the idea of "Hey I'm rich. If I win or if I lose they'll pay me the same. Phuk training hard." Douglas had to go through training camp win or lose. He's still a professional fighter with pride. If he thought he could beat Holyfield by being better prepared he would have trained harder. If you saw Holyfield sitting at ringside before the Tyson-Douglas fight, he had his game face on. He had an emotional maturity that Tyson didn't have, and he was one serious looking SOB. What happened in the fight had to make him feel even better. He got the winner and he was now after Douglas. He had a smile on his face replacing the "don't fk with me" countenance before the fight. His job just got easier.
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Haven't been a fan as long as most of you here, but some of the fights I remember picking right were (most have been mentioned already):

Mosley-Margarito (nobody just walks into Mosley's power over and over and over again for 12 rounds without getting knocked out was my perhaps fluky reasoning)
Tarver-Green (I'm sure this was considered an upset at the time)
Froch-Bute (Thought it would be closer that it was, predicted something closer to Froch-Pascal - hard fought, close first six rounds, Froch slowly begins to turn up the heat second half. Gets Bute in trouble near the end and either takes him out or gets a KD or two to seal a close but clear points win)
Maidana-Broner (Broner can be fun but he always looked too limited to be elite to me and I fancied the best version of Maidana was going to be a little too good for him - in the end I was quite impressed with AB's fighting spirit as it goes)
Salido-Lomachenko (Knew that Salido's dirtyness, tenacity and accurate wide-punching was going to be too much for any inexperienced professional to outface, even one as accomplished as VL. Didn't expect it to be as close as it was to be fair - Loma was another one that impressed me in defeat)
Fury-Wlad (Fury is the better inside-the-ring tactician and the more natural "fighting man" (he is like a poor man's Vitali, or a homeless man's Larry Holmes; Wlad strikes me as being a little more "instructed") and without Stewart there was no-one to press Wlad into trying to impose his superior athleticism and punching power on him)

Some of my worst picks were Marquez-Mayweather (what was I thinking?), Montiel-Donaire and Cleverly-Kovalev (really what was I thinking?). I'm sure there was a bad one from last year but I can't think of it.
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HyacinthusTurnipseed wrote:Haven't been a fan as long as most of you here, but some of the fights I remember picking right were (most have been mentioned already):

Mosley-Margarito (nobody just walks into Mosley's power over and over and over again for 12 rounds without getting knocked out was my perhaps fluky reasoning)
Tarver-Green (I'm sure this was considered an upset at the time)
Froch-Bute (Thought it would be closer that it was, predicted something closer to Froch-Pascal - hard fought, close first six rounds, Froch slowly begins to turn up the heat second half. Gets Bute in trouble near the end and either takes him out or gets a KD or two to seal a close but clear points win)
Maidana-Broner (Broner can be fun but he always looked too limited to be elite to me and I fancied the best version of Maidana was going to be a little too good for him - in the end I was quite impressed with AB's fighting spirit as it goes)
Salido-Lomachenko (Knew that Salido's dirtyness, tenacity and accurate wide-punching was going to be too much for any inexperienced professional to outface, even one as accomplished as VL. Didn't expect it to be as close as it was to be fair - Loma was another one that impressed me in defeat)
Fury-Wlad (Fury is the better inside-the-ring tactician and the more natural "fighting man" (he is like a poor man's Vitali, or a homeless man's Larry Holmes; Wlad strikes me as being a little more "instructed") and without Stewart there was no-one to press Wlad into trying to impose his superior athleticism and punching power on him)

Some of my worst picks were Marquez-Mayweather (what was I thinking?), Montiel-Donaire and Cleverly-Kovalev (really what was I thinking?). I'm sure there was a bad one from last year but I can't think of it.
One of the worst ones for me was picking Arreola over Stiverne...not so much that it was a horrible pick because I'm sure several others were going for Arreola, but because of how cocky and sure I was about it. I mean I KNEW Arreola was gonna kick his ass. Really had to eat crow on that one :lol:
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gilgamesh wrote:
HyacinthusTurnipseed wrote:Haven't been a fan as long as most of you here, but some of the fights I remember picking right were (most have been mentioned already):

Mosley-Margarito (nobody just walks into Mosley's power over and over and over again for 12 rounds without getting knocked out was my perhaps fluky reasoning)
Tarver-Green (I'm sure this was considered an upset at the time)
Froch-Bute (Thought it would be closer that it was, predicted something closer to Froch-Pascal - hard fought, close first six rounds, Froch slowly begins to turn up the heat second half. Gets Bute in trouble near the end and either takes him out or gets a KD or two to seal a close but clear points win)
Maidana-Broner (Broner can be fun but he always looked too limited to be elite to me and I fancied the best version of Maidana was going to be a little too good for him - in the end I was quite impressed with AB's fighting spirit as it goes)
Salido-Lomachenko (Knew that Salido's dirtyness, tenacity and accurate wide-punching was going to be too much for any inexperienced professional to outface, even one as accomplished as VL. Didn't expect it to be as close as it was to be fair - Loma was another one that impressed me in defeat)
Fury-Wlad (Fury is the better inside-the-ring tactician and the more natural "fighting man" (he is like a poor man's Vitali, or a homeless man's Larry Holmes; Wlad strikes me as being a little more "instructed") and without Stewart there was no-one to press Wlad into trying to impose his superior athleticism and punching power on him)

Some of my worst picks were Marquez-Mayweather (what was I thinking?), Montiel-Donaire and Cleverly-Kovalev (really what was I thinking?). I'm sure there was a bad one from last year but I can't think of it.
One of the worst ones for me was picking Arreola over Stiverne...not so much that it was a horrible pick because I'm sure several others were going for Arreola, but because of how cocky and sure I was about it. I mean I KNEW Arreola was gonna kick his ass. Really had to eat crow on that one :lol:
Arreola is one of those guys who never learn how to box... He's been boxing since he was 6 years old, and like Naseem Hamed he's not going to change anything or learn anything different.. He doesn't believe in strength training... doesn't believe in cutting out junk food... doesn't believe you shouldn't come into camp 50 pounds overweight... thinks he can get away with anything -- and maybe he's right... He has 5 losses and keeps getting World Title shots after fighting draws and ND fights with 2nd raters... meanwhile Luis Ortiz strokes out Bryant Jennings and gets crap fights.
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Kalan wrote:Holyfield versus Tyson was 1 of the easiest calls ever.. I didn't understand the odds. They were laughable... One of the few fights in a generation that was skewed to a ridiculous degree that makes no sense.. A motivated Douglas flattened Tyson and a motivated Holyfield made very short work of an unmotivated Douglas.. What are you supposed to make of that??? .. Some fighters don't bother training hard for a fight when they feel they have little chance to win... If Douglas thought he could beat Holyfield he would have trained about as hard as he did for Tyson..

It's not the idea of "Hey I'm rich. If I win or if I lose they'll pay me the same. Phuk training hard." Douglas had to go through training camp win or lose. He's still a professional fighter with pride. If he thought he could beat Holyfield by being better prepared he would have trained harder. If you saw Holyfield sitting at ringside before the Tyson-Douglas fight, he had his game face on. He had an emotional maturity that Tyson didn't have, and he was one serious looking SOB. What happened in the fight had to make him feel even better. He got the winner and he was now after Douglas. He had a smile on his face replacing the "don't fk with me" countenance before the fight. His job just got easier.

I can understand the odds for Holyfield v Tyson 1.

Holyfield stank prior to the fight & looked just about done at top level.

Tyson looked fresh & resurgent & was mopping up the titles on his comeback, although, to be fair, when you've got terrified bums like Bruce Seldon & Frank Bruno as supposed 'champions', it was always going to be easy for Tyson to get his belts back.

There was nothing to suggest that Holyfield had anything left to beat Tyson.

I thought he would lose, but he'd give Tyson a bit of hell; almost like a one last hurrah scenario.

By the end of round two, I changed my mind completely & predicted a Holyfield KO in 10! :oo
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HyacinthusTurnipseed wrote:Haven't been a fan as long as most of you here, but some of the fights I remember picking right were (most have been mentioned already):

Mosley-Margarito (nobody just walks into Mosley's power over and over and over again for 12 rounds without getting knocked out was my perhaps fluky reasoning)
Tarver-Green (I'm sure this was considered an upset at the time)
Froch-Bute (Thought it would be closer that it was, predicted something closer to Froch-Pascal - hard fought, close first six rounds, Froch slowly begins to turn up the heat second half. Gets Bute in trouble near the end and either takes him out or gets a KD or two to seal a close but clear points win)
Maidana-Broner (Broner can be fun but he always looked too limited to be elite to me and I fancied the best version of Maidana was going to be a little too good for him - in the end I was quite impressed with AB's fighting spirit as it goes)
Salido-Lomachenko (Knew that Salido's dirtyness, tenacity and accurate wide-punching was going to be too much for any inexperienced professional to outface, even one as accomplished as VL. Didn't expect it to be as close as it was to be fair - Loma was another one that impressed me in defeat)
Fury-Wlad (Fury is the better inside-the-ring tactician and the more natural "fighting man" (he is like a poor man's Vitali, or a homeless man's Larry Holmes; Wlad strikes me as being a little more "instructed") and without Stewart there was no-one to press Wlad into trying to impose his superior athleticism and punching power on him)

Some of my worst picks were Marquez-Mayweather (what was I thinking?), Montiel-Donaire and Cleverly-Kovalev (really what was I thinking?). I'm sure there was a bad one from last year but I can't think of it.

Agree about Mosley Margarito. It made even the smartest boxing purists sound dumb thinking Margarito will just walk trough Mosley taking his punches and stopping Mosley. It made no sense.

Froch Bute - I wasn't sure about the outcome but one thing I was sure of was that Bute at the time was a bit overrated and Froch was being underestimated. Now people act as if Bute was a bum.
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gilgamesh wrote:It'd probably have to be Glen Johnson beating Antonio Tarver in their first fight.

Neither of these are nearly as big, but I think they were mild upsets. Maidana over Broner and Cotto over Sergio Martinez were both pretty good.

I'm not the greatest at calling upsets, but I have my moments.
I'd say these three matches for "upset power", Cotto - Martinez tops it Maidana-Broner second, Johnson-Tarver 3rd.
Or is it just me?? Realize their May of been some insight available for the Argentinians demis.
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I picked Hopkins - Triniday plus won nearly $400.00. This was at straight odds. Never could figure it how Triniday would have any 3-to-1 favor.
The recent I won money on Joshua-vs- Martin. Seemed quite easy pick that one! I laid down about $280.00 to win $90.00 back!
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allInmoderationAIM wrote:
gilgamesh wrote:It'd probably have to be Glen Johnson beating Antonio Tarver in their first fight.

Neither of these are nearly as big, but I think they were mild upsets. Maidana over Broner and Cotto over Sergio Martinez were both pretty good.

I'm not the greatest at calling upsets, but I have my moments.
I'd say these three matches for "upset power", Cotto - Martinez tops it Maidana-Broner second, Johnson-Tarver 3rd.
Or is it just me?? Realize their May of been some insight available for the Argentinians demis.
Yeah I was banking on the fact that he had had to have his 2nd major knee surgery, and it had already affected him very negatively after the first time it happened. This time he was 38 or 39 years old so I knew the damage to his knee would be worse. A guy like Martinez's game depended a lot on his movement around the ring, obviously that's not gonna be as good coming off 2 consecutive major knee surgeries when you're in your late 30's. I didn't know exactly how it would effect him, or how much of a disadvantage it would be, but I thought it'd be enough of a disadvantage that Cotto would be able to catch up to him enough to win a decision. Turned out Cotto was able to catch up to him enough to just completely dominate and stop him. I didn't expect it to be so one sided, but I did expect a Cotto victory.
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golden oldie wrote:Not only did I fancy Holyfield to beat Tyson in the 1st fight, I had a sizeable wager on Evander, to the total dismay of the majority of my friends and fellow fight fans, I might add. Some even questioned my sanity.
I'll bet the payoff was especially sweet for you when you got to rub it in their faces :OhYes:
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golden oldie wrote:
gilgamesh wrote:
golden oldie wrote:Not only did I fancy Holyfield to beat Tyson in the 1st fight, I had a sizeable wager on Evander, to the total dismay of the majority of my friends and fellow fight fans, I might add. Some even questioned my sanity.
I'll bet the payoff was especially sweet for you when you got to rub it in their faces :OhYes:
I have to be honest, I did take a good amount of pleasure out of it, but I stopped short of waving the big wad of money I made in their faces. :TU:
Yeah that wouldn't be wise, but the bragging rights are sweet.
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