Brook/Smith sparring ?

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Anzi wrote:
nitro5912 wrote:Wouldn't read anything into a 1 min clip
A ten second clip is enough to see a weakness or fault in a boxer.
Sometimes, but i think not always....
Yes, but this time, because the spar was competitive, it revealed mistakes, especially from Brook, he is an excellent fighter on the attack, but it's when he comes out of his combination, his hands drop and he goes back in straight lines, he can't fight on the inside either, but he brilliant medium to long range, when working off his jab. Golokin will close Brook down and put him on the back foot, but Brook is a great finisher, if he hurts you, he will hit you with 3 or 4 before you recover, he will have to Hurt Golokin to win and Golokin has never been hurt before.
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ElJefe wrote:
SAPFO wrote:What is Kels chin is made of granite?

What if ?
Didn't he get rocked by Senchenko? It might be good but I doubt it's granite.
yes, he did and that is very worrying, he did however he did come back to stop Sechenko, so his chin held out and Porter is very strong and he got through that, but Golokin hits harder then any other Middleweight And his chin is regarded as one of the best.
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Even people close to Kell have said he's got a good chin, but he's never been hit by anyone like GGG before.
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Boxers, fighters and punchers have all come unstuck against Golokin and to be fair Brook is more talented then any of them, but Brook is a big welter who has walked through welters , but for Porter who was a Middleweight before, he will not have the size advantage anymore, nor the power advantage, so will need his jab to be at it's best.
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Anzi wrote:Boxers, fighters and punchers have all come unstuck against Golokin and to be fair Brook is more talented then any of them, but Brook is a big welter who has walked through welters , but for Porter who was a Middleweight before, he will not have the size advantage anymore, nor the power advantage, so will need his jab to be at it's best.
Murray's more talented than Brook.
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Horse wrote:
Anzi wrote:Boxers, fighters and punchers have all come unstuck against Golokin and to be fair Brook is more talented then any of them, but Brook is a big welter who has walked through welters , but for Porter who was a Middleweight before, he will not have the size advantage anymore, nor the power advantage, so will need his jab to be at it's best.
Murray's more talented than Brook.
No he is not
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Horse wrote:
Anzi wrote:Boxers, fighters and punchers have all come unstuck against Golokin and to be fair Brook is more talented then any of them, but Brook is a big welter who has walked through welters , but for Porter who was a Middleweight before, he will not have the size advantage anymore, nor the power advantage, so will need his jab to be at it's best.
Murray's more talented than Brook.
Oh good lord no.
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Horse wrote:
Anzi wrote:Boxers, fighters and punchers have all come unstuck against Golokin and to be fair Brook is more talented then any of them, but Brook is a big welter who has walked through welters , but for Porter who was a Middleweight before, he will not have the size advantage anymore, nor the power advantage, so will need his jab to be at it's best.
Murray's more talented than Brook.
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What's so great about Brook's skills?

Stop worshipping this time-waster.

He did next to bugger all with these amazing skills of his.
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Brook was wobbled by that non-puncher who humiliated Hatton. This will be a monumental collapse in the Canelo/Khan mould. Let the fight pass and think ahead to something interesting.
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mickey1975 wrote:Even people close to Kell have said he's got a good chin, but he's never been hit by anyone like GGG before.
To say that "even" a group of people say something is to mean that a group of people who are most likely to not compliment had to do so but you have used this expression then said "the people close to Kell" when they are the very people who would bs and talk him up. Doh!
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Rexob wrote:
Horse wrote:Turning up for a payday.

Terrible career, terrible ending.

Yeah, reaching the pinnacle of his sport as a world champion and retiring a multimillionaire swanning off into the sunset to live a great life in the Caribbean probably, terrible ending.
Yeah what a bum, like me turning up for a last shift and the boss saying " you've done well and this is your last one, no matter what happens you'll be a multi millionaire after this shift.
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tobyh5 wrote:
mickey1975 wrote:Even people close to Kell have said he's got a good chin, but he's never been hit by anyone like GGG before.
To say that "even" a group of people say something is to mean that a group of people who are most likely to not compliment had to do so but you have used this expression then said "the people close to Kell" when they are the very people who would bs and talk him up. Doh!
Maybe should have put in speech marks, but the point was, people close to him don't know how he's going to cope when he gets caught.
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It's only sparring but I thought Kell looked clearly the better out of the two...if you watch the full clip Joe Gallagher doesn't look a happy man to me when the sparringsun finished... which says it all
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Anzi wrote:
nitro5912 wrote:Wouldn't read anything into a 1 min clip
A ten second clip is enough to see a weakness or fault in a boxer.
I agree to an extent but do we know where he is in camp in this video, or how fit he is? That matters.
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TheDarkDestroyer wrote:
Anzi wrote:
nitro5912 wrote:Wouldn't read anything into a 1 min clip
A ten second clip is enough to see a weakness or fault in a boxer.
I agree to an extent but do we know where he is in camp in this video, or how fit he is? That matters.
True everything comes into it, they are sparring at Hattons gym in Manchester, they both should be fit enough, not long to their big fights and Brook looks in better shape then previous, videos on his build up.
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Horse wrote:
Anzi wrote:Boxers, fighters and punchers have all come unstuck against Golokin and to be fair Brook is more talented then any of them, but Brook is a big welter who has walked through welters , but for Porter who was a Middleweight before, he will not have the size advantage anymore, nor the power advantage, so will need his jab to be at it's best.
Murray's more talented than Brook.
disagree.
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Anzi wrote:
Counter-puncher wrote:
Anzi wrote: A ten second clip is enough to see a weakness or fault in a boxer.
Sometimes, but i think not always....
Yes, but this time, because the spar was competitive, it revealed mistakes, especially from Brook, he is an excellent fighter on the attack, but it's when he comes out of his combination, his hands drop and he goes back in straight lines, he can't fight on the inside either, but he brilliant medium to long range, when working off his jab. Golokin will close Brook down and put him on the back foot, but Brook is a great finisher, if he hurts you, he will hit you with 3 or 4 before you recover, he will have to Hurt Golokin to win and Golokin has never been hurt before.
golovkin has never 'shown' that he has been hurt before, because no one who has clipped him has followed up. hopefully kell can clip him and land a couple more.
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rhino222 wrote:
Anzi wrote:
Counter-puncher wrote:
Sometimes, but i think not always....
Yes, but this time, because the spar was competitive, it revealed mistakes, especially from Brook, he is an excellent fighter on the attack, but it's when he comes out of his combination, his hands drop and he goes back in straight lines, he can't fight on the inside either, but he brilliant medium to long range, when working off his jab. Golokin will close Brook down and put him on the back foot, but Brook is a great finisher, if he hurts you, he will hit you with 3 or 4 before you recover, he will have to Hurt Golokin to win and Golokin has never been hurt before.
golovkin has never 'shown' that he has been hurt before, because no one who has clipped him has followed up. hopefully kell can clip him and land a couple more.
Trust me, Golokin has a good chin, never been floored Am or Pro and he has fought punchers, but hopefully Brook can stun him enough to keep him off, whilst he uses his boxing skills, to get a decision, it is however a big ask.
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Anzi wrote:
rhino222 wrote:
Anzi wrote: Yes, but this time, because the spar was competitive, it revealed mistakes, especially from Brook, he is an excellent fighter on the attack, but it's when he comes out of his combination, his hands drop and he goes back in straight lines, he can't fight on the inside either, but he brilliant medium to long range, when working off his jab. Golokin will close Brook down and put him on the back foot, but Brook is a great finisher, if he hurts you, he will hit you with 3 or 4 before you recover, he will have to Hurt Golokin to win and Golokin has never been hurt before.
golovkin has never 'shown' that he has been hurt before, because no one who has clipped him has followed up. hopefully kell can clip him and land a couple more.
Trust me, Golokin has a good chin, never been floored Am or Pro and he has fought punchers, but hopefully Brook can stun him enough to keep him off, whilst he uses his boxing skills, to get a decision, it is however a big ask.
Golovkin does have a good chin. But brook doesn't have enough power to stun him
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Oiky wrote:
Anzi wrote:
rhino222 wrote:
golovkin has never 'shown' that he has been hurt before, because no one who has clipped him has followed up. hopefully kell can clip him and land a couple more.
Trust me, Golokin has a good chin, never been floored Am or Pro and he has fought punchers, but hopefully Brook can stun him enough to keep him off, whilst he uses his boxing skills, to get a decision, it is however a big ask.
Golovkin does have a good chin. But brook doesn't have enough power to stun him
Speed is power and that is his biggest asset, the problem here though, is not if Golokin can take Brooks power, but if Brook can take Golokins power, you can't go in the rain and not get wet.
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Horse wrote:What's so great about Brook's skills?

Stop worshipping this time-waster.

He did next to bugger all with these amazing skills of his.
stop exaggerating, you drama queen

nobody on this occasion said either that he was amazingly talented or skilled- more so than Murray, certainly, but then Murray is mediocre where talent is concerned.
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Why Ricky's gym? Is Kell barred from Khan's?
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I'd assume it's part of Brook's sparring preparation to have someone who is cutting off the ring and trying to push him back onto the ropes as that will definitely be the tactic GGG will employ, however, he didn't look great there.

I can't see anything other than an early to mid round stoppage for GGG. Probably by the left hook to the body whilst Brook is on the ropes.
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Horse wrote:What's so great about Brook's skills?

Stop worshipping this time-waster.

He did next to bugger all with these amazing skills of his.
I've been about as critical of Brook's career as anyone on here, it's been a disappointment but you can't say the lad has no skills. He reminds me sometimes of a mid-career De La Hoya with his stand up upper body movement style, and he has decent enough power and throws with venom. He is good to watch, he just hasn't been in the fights he should have been for the last four years.
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