Did Dominic Ingle make the correct decision ?

[littlepug]

How did he let his mask slip in the 1st fight he dug in and won the fight then had the balls to box him again to put right a wrong......Let's not forget it wasn't Brook throwing in the towel he was trying to gut it out but look who was up against .....what's with the he's a professional fighter and getting injured is part of the job the guys got a family and future to think about its part of nobodys job to get injured. He would have been in incredible pain and he'd done better than most against GGG if the man some credit

Don't you remember the look on brooks face in the Jones fight when he visibly started feeling sorry for himself ? that's letting your mask slip, should never reveal your weaker traits to an opponent, and for the money he is getting I expect him to go all in with no complaining.

Wasn't his nose broke .....he dug in didn't quit...man the kid can't get a brake ( apart from round his eye )

I admit I expect a lot from top fighters and will always call out a fighters weakness and one of the things that bug me is boxers complaining when things aren't going his way, had brook been on top in the fight I doubt he would of made everyone aware of his injury, Danny Williams fought with his arm hanging out of its socket and Arthur Abraham fought on with a broken jaw so that's where the bar is set and brook was in no worse condition than those 2, in fact I would of been more impressed if brook had fouled GGG with a low shot or something just to slow him down at least then he would of shown evidence of wanting to stay in the fight rather than getting his excuses for defeat in before the fight had ended

[Tuan_Jim]

Don't you remember the look on brooks face in the Jones fight when he visibly started feeling sorry for himself ? that's letting your mask slip, should never reveal your weaker traits to an opponent, and for the money he is getting I expect him to go all in with no complaining.

Wasn't his nose broke .....he dug in didn't quit...man the kid can't get a brake ( apart from round his eye )

I admit I expect a lot from top fighters and will always call out a fighters weakness and one of the things that bug me is boxers complaining when things aren't going his way, had brook been on top in the fight I doubt he would of made everyone aware of his injury, Danny Williams fought with his arm hanging out of its socket and Arthur Abraham fought on with a broken jaw so that's where the bar is set and brook was in no worse condition than those 2, in fact I would of been more impressed if brook had fouled GGG with a low shot or something just to slow him down at least then he would of shown evidence of wanting to stay in the fight rather than getting his excuses for defeat in before the fight had ended

As Frank Bruno put it, so eloquently, in From Zero to Hero: "No fighter who's winning squeals to the ref."

I loved Brook's gutsy effort but smelt doom with the bitching to the ref and backing off to paw his eye with a look of disain as if he had been somehow wronged.

[Rocky Balboa]

Yes, he did. People should remember, Brendan Ingle was with Gerald McClellan the night he fought Benn.

Taking the above into account, the Ingles are about as qualified as anyone to know the dangers of our beloved sport.

Antonio Margarito suffered a similar injury when he fought Pacquiao, and his dopey cornermen let him carry on (in an act of machoism) and his eye has never been the same since.

[bbjc]

I think it was the right time bearing in mind the opposition. Two weight classes above etc. The real problem was the matchmaking from the start. Kell could have been a national hero instead he comes out the plucky loser based on taking on a job with all the chips against him. Disappointed in hearn who i think is great for british boxing. One thing calling for competetive fights but to put your world champion up against it like that because he basically doesnt want to spend the money to get a suitable opponent for him is poor. Done the same with edwards tonite...sold him short. And doesnt mind doing it to his fighters to make some money. No one begrudges eddie making money because he works bloody hard and is a great promotor. But it shouldnt be at the expess of someones health. People avoiding golvokin up at middleweight because hes pretty much a murderous puncher. Was talks of froch fighting him. To stick a welterweight in with hims asking for trouble. Promoters got an obligation to these fighters. Should never have been made. Luckily ingle had the sense to call a halt before it got dangerous.

Really impressed with the ingles tbh...been great for british boxing. Teach the fighters the right way. Hate to think how a joe gallacher trained welterweight for example would have done against golovkin.

[TheLeprechaun]

It would take someone of very limited intelligence to try and argue otherwise.

lol, nicely put.

From a trainers perspective, it was a perfect stoppage. Brook was clearly done, you could see it in his eyes. He was looking ready to go and Triple G was unloading and would have left Brook very badly hurt on the canvas fairly soon. Dom saw Brook was done and got him out in a way that preserves Brooks physical health but also his mental health. Brook can say he wasn't KO'd, he was stopped on his feet having a real go and asking Triple G, the most fearsome puncher in the game, to come in for a toe to toe fight whereas 99% of the boxers don't want to go near Triple G and actively run from the fight. As far as toughness goes, men don't get much harder than that. Plus Dom can say it was all about the eye socket too. He'll know Brook was gone but he'll have been focusing on the eye as the main reason. It's all to give Brook every chance to come back MENTALLY from this loss.

[TheLeprechaun]

to be honest, Brook did very well just to be standing at the time of the stoppage. He was shipping some vicious shots in that round

[littlepug]

I think it was the right time bearing in mind the opposition. Two weight classes above etc. The real problem was the matchmaking from the start. Kell could have been a national hero instead he comes out the plucky loser based on taking on a job with all the chips against him. Disappointed in hearn who i think is great for british boxing. One thing calling for competetive fights but to put your world champion up against it like that because he basically doesnt want to spend the money to get a suitable opponent for him is poor. Done the same with edwards tonite...sold him short. And doesnt mind doing it to his fighters to make some money. No one begrudges eddie making money because he works bloody hard and is a great promotor. But it shouldnt be at the expess of someones health. People avoiding golvokin up at middleweight because hes pretty much a murderous puncher. Was talks of froch fighting him. To stick a welterweight in with hims asking for trouble. Promoters got an obligation to these fighters. Should never have been made. Luckily ingle had the sense to call a halt before it got dangerous.

Really impressed with the ingles tbh...been great for british boxing. Teach the fighters the right way. Hate to think how a joe gallacher trained welterweight for example would have done against golovkin.

Agree with this, the show left a bitter taste in my mouth to be honest, Edwards and brook shouldn't have been in those fights and the fact that Edwards world title fight wasn't further up the bill was maybe a reflection of hearns confidence in his decision to make this fight

[kbackup408]

I think it was the right time bearing in mind the opposition. Two weight classes above etc. The real problem was the matchmaking from the start. Kell could have been a national hero instead he comes out the plucky loser based on taking on a job with all the chips against him. Disappointed in hearn who i think is great for british boxing. One thing calling for competetive fights but to put your world champion up against it like that because he basically doesnt want to spend the money to get a suitable opponent for him is poor. Done the same with edwards tonite...sold him short. And doesnt mind doing it to his fighters to make some money. No one begrudges eddie making money because he works bloody hard and is a great promotor. But it shouldnt be at the expess of someones health. People avoiding golvokin up at middleweight because hes pretty much a murderous puncher. Was talks of froch fighting him. To stick a welterweight in with hims asking for trouble. Promoters got an obligation to these fighters. Should never have been made. Luckily ingle had the sense to call a halt before it got dangerous.

Really impressed with the ingles tbh...been great for british boxing. Teach the fighters the right way. Hate to think how a joe gallacher trained welterweight for example would have done against golovkin.

Probably the best round up of this whole situation mate agree with you 110% I rate Eddie but this match should have never gone ahead that right eye of Brook will always be a target for future opponents because they know it might be a soft area

[kbackup408]

to be honest, Brook did very well just to be standing at the time of the stoppage. He was shipping some vicious shots in that round

AYE, while Ingle was playing with that towel Brook was taking some bombs

[BigDoofus]

Brook wouldn't have any way of knowing his eye socket was fractured

Perhaps the pain was a big giveaway. He said he had fractured it the minute the fight was stopped.

he looked like he was feeling sorry for himself when he pawed at the injury.

And then stormed back to push back the world's biggest puncher and win the round.

I never knew feeling discomfort or pain from an eye injury allows a professional boxer to diagnose the nature and extent of the injury. He still looked sorry for himself, and I agree with littlepug that showing out like that isn't good form in a boxing ring.

Brook diagnosed the nature and extent of the injury correctly, so you have got a bit of a mute point.

Brook was praised by Froch, Haye, Calzaghe, Macklin, Broner, Leonard and Holyfield. You instead focus on his reaction when getting his eye socket broken, yet choose to ignore his subsequent reaction in coming back to win the round against the world's most ferocious puncher. Maybe that says something about you.

[kbackup408]

Perhaps the pain was a big giveaway. He said he had fractured it the minute the fight was stopped.



And then stormed back to push back the world's biggest puncher and win the round.

I never knew feeling discomfort or pain from an eye injury allows a professional boxer to diagnose the nature and extent of the injury. He still looked sorry for himself, and I agree with littlepug that showing out like that isn't good form in a boxing ring.

Brook diagnosed the nature and extent of the injury correctly, so you have got a bit of a mute point.

Brook was praised by Froch, Haye, Calzaghe, Macklin, Broner, Leonard and Holyfield. You instead focus on his reaction when getting his eye socket broken, yet choose to ignore his subsequent reaction in coming back to win the round against the world's most ferocious puncher. Maybe that says something about you.

Don't waste your time on trolls mate, they will pick the tiniest hair out of any fight and run along with it

As boxing fans we appreciate Brooks effort the stronger man won on the night !

[BigDoofus]

Again, Tucker had his orbital bone shattered vs Seldon and carried himself as if walking to the shop for a paper..

The fight was stopped in the seventh and Tucker later had his license revoked due to his loss of vision. Hardly the best example.

[Finn]

It was a good stoppage, you could see when brook was in the corner before that round his face was a mess and they were having a good look at his eye. Ingle stopped the fight before any long term damage was caused and brook had nothing in his arsenal which would have won him the fight at that point. He was doing well and making it a fight but ultimately the writing was clearly on the wall.

You can't let your fighter carry on again someone who hits like Golovkin with a broken eye socket, that would have been absolute abhorrent behaviour. Of course brook will be upset but ingle knows his fighter.

[Teddy's Toupee]

Perhaps the pain was a big giveaway. He said he had fractured it the minute the fight was stopped.



And then stormed back to push back the world's biggest puncher and win the round.

I never knew feeling discomfort or pain from an eye injury allows a professional boxer to diagnose the nature and extent of the injury. He still looked sorry for himself, and I agree with littlepug that showing out like that isn't good form in a boxing ring.

Brook diagnosed the nature and extent of the injury correctly, so you have got a bit of a mute point.

Brook was praised by Froch, Haye, Calzaghe, Macklin, Broner, Leonard and Holyfield. You instead focus on his reaction when getting his eye socket broken, yet choose to ignore his subsequent reaction in coming back to win the round against the world's most ferocious puncher. Maybe that says something about you.

The next time I suspect I've suffered a fracture I'll not bother going to the hospital, I'll call up Kell Brook and let him have a lucky guess. Do you remember when Tyson thought he'd broken his back during a fight? Tyson was also guilty of showing out and moaning in fights not going his way. Littlepug is right in what he says; as a boxer you maintain your poker face at all times during a fight.

[littlepug]

I never knew feeling discomfort or pain from an eye injury allows a professional boxer to diagnose the nature and extent of the injury. He still looked sorry for himself, and I agree with littlepug that showing out like that isn't good form in a boxing ring.

Brook diagnosed the nature and extent of the injury correctly, so you have got a bit of a mute point.

Brook was praised by Froch, Haye, Calzaghe, Macklin, Broner, Leonard and Holyfield. You instead focus on his reaction when getting his eye socket broken, yet choose to ignore his subsequent reaction in coming back to win the round against the world's most ferocious puncher. Maybe that says something about you.

Don't waste your time on trolls mate, they will pick the tiniest hair out of any fight and run along with it

As boxing fans we appreciate Brooks effort the stronger man won on the night !

As boxing fans we appreciate the fact that brook had the balls to take on this fight, but also as boxing fans we each have our own personal benchmark, a certain standard that we judge fighters on based on what we've seen/experienced over the years in the sport and it is our right to do that as followers of this sport, why shouldn't brook be criticised for his weaknesses ? showing distress visibly is a personal bugbear of mine and have called him on this previously, it shows fragility in his character and that's a serious flaw in my book, by the way I actually like brook but have to say it like I see it its far too easy to fall into the hype machine and gloss over your favourite fighters flaws

[Anzi]

I think the eye damage influenced Dominic Ingle's decision, though he was under the cosh in the last round, Brook was taking the shots well, but the eye would of got worse, so Dominic Ingle was spot on, he would not have stopped it in that round, if it was not for the damaged eye, Brook was having some success in the fight.

[kbackup408]

I think the eye damage influenced Dominic Ingle's decision, though he was under the cosh in the last round, Brook was taking the shots well, but the eye would of got worse, so Dominic Ingle was spot on, he would not have stopped it in that round, if it was not for the damaged eye, Brook was having some success in the fight.

Yes mate agree with that the eye was a game changer if it was any other body part Ingle might have let it go but getting double vision is scary would have been so sad if the Blackwell scenario occured with Kell

[fanman]

i suppose when all is said and done you cant complain about a trainer protecting his fighter in a situation in which he no longer has any chance to win.
i have to admit that when i watched the fight live it did seem that kell was more in to the fight and still a live dog, but in retrospect, with the blurred vision etc, it was just a matter of time. i'd still like to have seen kell survive the round as he was still showing some good defence, but i suppose the corner were scared that ggg would ko him brutally in the last minute or so.

[BigDoofus]

I never knew feeling discomfort or pain from an eye injury allows a professional boxer to diagnose the nature and extent of the injury. He still looked sorry for himself, and I agree with littlepug that showing out like that isn't good form in a boxing ring.

Brook diagnosed the nature and extent of the injury correctly, so you have got a bit of a mute point.

Brook was praised by Froch, Haye, Calzaghe, Macklin, Broner, Leonard and Holyfield. You instead focus on his reaction when getting his eye socket broken, yet choose to ignore his subsequent reaction in coming back to win the round against the world's most ferocious puncher. Maybe that says something about you.

The next time I suspect I've suffered a fracture I'll not bother going to the hospital, I'll call up Kell Brook and let him have a lucky guess. Do you remember when Tyson thought he'd broken his back during a fight? Tyson was also guilty of showing out and moaning in fights not going his way. Littlepug is right in what he says; as a boxer you maintain your poker face at all times during a fight.

Your speaking nonsense now. Brook told his corner at the end of the second that he couldn't see out of that eye and as soon as the fight finished said he'd broken his eye socket - x-rays proved him correct.
If world champions want advice on boxing it's good that a couple of experts have internet access.

[crusader]

It would take someone of very limited intelligence to try and argue otherwise.

lol, nicely put.

From a trainers perspective, it was a perfect stoppage. Brook was clearly done, you could see it in his eyes. He was looking ready to go and Triple G was unloading and would have left Brook very badly hurt on the canvas fairly soon. Dom saw Brook was done and got him out in a way that preserves Brooks physical health but also his mental health. Brook can say he wasn't KO'd, he was stopped on his feet having a real go and asking Triple G, the most fearsome puncher in the game, to come in for a toe to toe fight whereas 99% of the boxers don't want to go near Triple G and actively run from the fight. As far as toughness goes, men don't get much harder than that. Plus Dom can say it was all about the eye socket too. He'll know Brook was gone but he'll have been focusing on the eye as the main reason. It's all to give Brook every chance to come back MENTALLY from this loss.

This

[nitro5912]

I never knew feeling discomfort or pain from an eye injury allows a professional boxer to diagnose the nature and extent of the injury. He still looked sorry for himself, and I agree with littlepug that showing out like that isn't good form in a boxing ring.

Brook diagnosed the nature and extent of the injury correctly, so you have got a bit of a mute point.

Brook was praised by Froch, Haye, Calzaghe, Macklin, Broner, Leonard and Holyfield. You instead focus on his reaction when getting his eye socket broken, yet choose to ignore his subsequent reaction in coming back to win the round against the world's most ferocious puncher. Maybe that says something about you.

The next time I suspect I've suffered a fracture I'll not bother going to the hospital, I'll call up Kell Brook and let him have a lucky guess. Do you remember when Tyson thought he'd broken his back during a fight? Tyson was also guilty of showing out and moaning in fights not going his way. Littlepug is right in what he says; as a boxer you maintain your poker face at all times during a fight.

The next time I suffer a potential fracture or snapped ligament on the football pitch, I won't bother going to the hospital but instead carry on playing the game because I'm a man and should maintain my poker face whilst playing, potentially turning an ankle sprain into a full blown fracture and ligament damage.

Seriously, you must have hurt yourself doing something and thought ouch that hurt, that feels like it could be broken I best head off to A&E instead of carrying on.

Given that kell said he was seeing numerous visions of GGG, was starting to ship shots, not load up on his own suggests he knew something was wrong. He could have stayed in the fight, took more punishment and got carried out on a stretcher, lose his license due to poor vision all because he had his eye socket fractured.

Behave yourself

[Switch hitter]

Funny thing is ......one of the posters on here who knocking Kell boxed with a hand injury can't remember if it was broken or not and got thrown out for not trying.....

[banjo]

Yes.

Though if I was Brook, I'd have called it a day a bit earlier and thought "that'll do, I've got my money now"

[gp.]

I am not knocking Brook, and have no problems with the fight stopping where it did.

However there's something to be said for the fact that if you are going to fight on, surely you don't want to make a show of any injuries as you are just inviting your opponent to hit you there. It might be difficult not to react to them sometimes, but surely if you can, and again if you are going to fight on, the sensible thing is to try and hide it?

[Mimmy]

I think it was a perfect stoppage. some people have said preplanned, and I think I know where they are coming from.

It was the correct type of fight that Brook had to do, I initially thought he would play defensive and try to last him out but with what I have seen of GGG (never seen him fight before) he is quite impressive. Defensive boxing would have not done Brook and good at all. He went all out for a knock out and gave 3 or 4 really good rounds. Just could not land a punch that put GGG on his back.

After the 3rd it was clear Brook had something wrong, my wife was wanting the stoppage then as she was thinking of McClellan, to be honest it was in the back of my mind too. I think after the 3rd the writing was on the wall and it was just a matter of time.

I can see where people thought 'pre-planned' and I would imagine tactics was go hell for leather while you can but as soon as you get into trouble and cant give back or tire out we are done. No point in getting your self perminantly hurt.

Ingle could have thrown the towel at the ref but I would imagine he was waving it aournd and had more thought in his head getting the refs attention.

It was perfect and the right time.