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Impractical Poster wrote:
p4p1 wrote:
Impractical Poster wrote: Too bad we can't get a review from the bear he wrestled when he was young.

Conor wants no part of this beast.
I can't blame him. He's won the two world titles he told everyone he would win, no matter how I feel about his road to getting those 2 titles. He's never going to have to work again and him saying that he won't fight unless he gets part of the UFC says to me that unless he can get some serious passive income from the UFC hes done what he wanted.

Legacy wise he probably doesn't make the top 10 but from hearing him speak it's never been about that it's always been about making money and getting out early. While I'm not the biggest fan if he is able to do that and if he's able to force the UFC into a corner and giving him part of the business my hats off to him. Retiring at 28 with more money than anyone even needs would be pretty great.
I agree to an extent. I don't like how the UFC is bending to his will, but I understand.... as does this man.

Let's introduce to those who may not know him, The Eagle aka...."The Conor Killer".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQR33N66yvw
Truthfully that interview just made me a bigger fan.

From athletes we get a lot of false bravado and/or PR talk. With Khabib he speaks his mind and exactly how he feels. I love it. Massive respect how he spoke about slowly applying the kimura because he doesn't want to give anyone permanent damage.

There's 2 guys that currently deserve a shot over everyone else. Aldo and Khabib, I don't know which one deserves it more as they've both been lied to and fucked over by the UFC. I could see them making Aldo 2 before they give Khabib a shot because they want the gravy train to keep on running and a Khabib fight will hinder that.
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p4p1 wrote: Truthfully that interview just made me a bigger fan.

From athletes we get a lot of false bravado and/or PR talk. With Khabib he speaks his mind and exactly how he feels. I love it. Massive respect how he spoke about slowly applying the kimura because he doesn't want to give anyone permanent damage.

There's 2 guys that currently deserve a shot over everyone else. Aldo and Khabib, I don't know which one deserves it more as they've both been lied to and fucked over by the UFC. I could see them making Aldo 2 before they give Khabib a shot because they want the gravy train to keep on running and a Khabib fight will hinder that.
Me as well... I already knew he was smart, but this interview shows that he is in full understanding of everything going on around him. He is in full understanding of his abilities and strengths, and the way the UFC works. He is the anti-Conor.

I listened to an interview with Khabib's coach the other day. They understand that Conor is much better on the feet than Khabib is, and they have a game plan to close the distance without receiving punishment and taking Conor into their world. It was kinda funny because they had planned to take Johnson down straight away, and that is exactly what they trained for, but Khabib decided to stand with him for the first half of the fight. Which is why he got caught with that big shot. His coach said he was surprised to see Khabib standing with Johnson so long, was not the plan. But, after Khabib ate that big shot, he took Johnson down at will. I believe this will be the case when he fights McGregor, if he fights McGregor. He should be able to take Conor down at any time he wants. I'm quite sure Conor knows this and is why he is already making excuses not to fight Khabib. It would be a domination of Conor on the ground, and probably a stoppage around the 2nd round.

And how bout Khabib telling Johnson that he must give up. That he needs to fight for the title as he is smashing his face in. Then going to the stool between rounds and arguing with Dana about getting a title shot. LOL... Khabib's ability and mindset is a scary thing for another fighter to have to endure.
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Impractical Poster wrote:
p4p1 wrote: Truthfully that interview just made me a bigger fan.

From athletes we get a lot of false bravado and/or PR talk. With Khabib he speaks his mind and exactly how he feels. I love it. Massive respect how he spoke about slowly applying the kimura because he doesn't want to give anyone permanent damage.

There's 2 guys that currently deserve a shot over everyone else. Aldo and Khabib, I don't know which one deserves it more as they've both been lied to and fucked over by the UFC. I could see them making Aldo 2 before they give Khabib a shot because they want the gravy train to keep on running and a Khabib fight will hinder that.
Me as well... I already knew he was smart, but this interview shows that he is in full understanding of everything going on around him. He is in full understanding of his abilities and strengths, and the way the UFC works. He is the anti-Conor.

I listened to an interview with Khabib's coach the other day. They understand that Conor is much better on the feet than Khabib is, and they have a game plan to close the distance without receiving punishment and taking Conor into their world. It was kinda funny because they had planned to take Johnson down straight away, and that is exactly what they trained for, but Khabib decided to stand with him for the first half of the fight. Which is why he got caught with that big shot. His coach said he was surprised to see Khabib standing with Johnson so long, was not the plan. But, after Khabib ate that big shot, he took Johnson down at will. I believe this will be the case when he fights McGregor, if he fights McGregor. He should be able to take Conor down at any time he wants. I'm quite sure Conor knows this and is why he is already making excuses not to fight Khabib. It would be a domination of Conor on the ground, and probably a stoppage around the 2nd round.

And how bout Khabib telling Johnson that he must give up. That he needs to fight for the title as he is smashing his face in. Then going to the stool between rounds and arguing with Dana about getting a title shot. LOL... Khabib's ability and mindset is a scary thing for another fighter to have to endure.
I think for the most part the length of the fight would depend on how long Khabib woul want it to last. He'd probably be able to finish it in the first round if he gets Conor down early but he might want to make an example. The way he's able to tie up guys arms while he's in mount and other top positions but still maintain a strong base and not lose position is pretty awesome. He really does have the talent to be the greatest ever LW and maybe the best ever but we will see.
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That's some strong praise for the Eagle there p4p. I really hope he proves to be the best. And I really hope he can stay injury free and fight regularly.

No doubt in my mind that if he hadn't been riddled with injuries that he would be LW champ right now... I don't think we are going to like how the next year is going to pan out for Khabib, though. I really hope I'm wrong. But, I know Conor doesn't want to fight him. And I don't think Dana wants a champion who is primarily a ground fighter and prone to injuries as the LW champion. However, if they want to save the integrity of their brand, they need to give Khabib that shot. Khabib will probably fight Ferguson early next year. Conor comes back in the Spring. Will probably fight Diaz again. Then maybe try to fight Tyrone, given he is still the belt holder. He'll do anything to avoid Khabib.
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Cormier is out of 206. :verysad:

Maybe Gus is in shape for a fight. Rumble's last fight with him was quite quick. And many thought it was a headbutt that started Gus's downfall in that fight. Not sure who else they can get on such short notice.

Corey Anderson is a decent LHW. He is scheduled to fight the night before Rumble against Sean O'Connell. They could pull him from that bout maybe?

The division just isn't that deep.
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Impractical Poster wrote:Cormier is out of 206. :verysad:

Maybe Gus is in shape for a fight. Rumble's last fight with him was quite quick. And many thought it was a headbutt that started Gus's downfall in that fight. Not sure who else they can get on such short notice.

Corey Anderson is a decent LHW. He is scheduled to fight the night before Rumble against Sean O'Connell. They could pull him from that bout maybe?

The division just isn't that deep.
Seems no one wants to fight rumble on short notice and I can't blame them. He is his own worst enemy in a way though. All he did was wish Cormier a fast and full recovery and while it's a nice sentiment and commendedabld, it would've been a smart move to kick up a fuss and move to get an interim title shot or something like that. He's one of the most exciting guys in the UFC if not the most the way it is currently and no one cares about him because he is so quiet and humble. I'm not saying he needs a Schtick like Conor or Chael but he needs to do a bit of talking to get people wanting to pay to see him.
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Impractical Poster wrote:That's some strong praise for the Eagle there p4p. I really hope he proves to be the best. And I really hope he can stay injury free and fight regularly.

No doubt in my mind that if he hadn't been riddled with injuries that he would be LW champ right now... I don't think we are going to like how the next year is going to pan out for Khabib, though. I really hope I'm wrong. But, I know Conor doesn't want to fight him. And I don't think Dana wants a champion who is primarily a ground fighter and prone to injuries as the LW champion. However, if they want to save the integrity of their brand, they need to give Khabib that shot. Khabib will probably fight Ferguson early next year. Conor comes back in the Spring. Will probably fight Diaz again. Then maybe try to fight Tyrone, given he is still the belt holder. He'll do anything to avoid Khabib.
It is but I've just never seen anyone so dominant grappling wise, it's not just technique it's raw aggression and strength as well. I would love to see him fight Aldo, elite TDD vs elite TDs, elite BJJ vs elite Sambo. Would certainly be interesting grappling wise. I'd favour Khabib but damn it could be an interesting fight for a while at least.

I agree that it's likely Khabib is going to get fucked over however he is making a lot of noise about it which could give him traction for a title shot. Conor's narrative of he gets injured is shit and we all know it, yes he had some injuries but it hasn't stopped guys like Cain, Cormier and Cruz getting title shots or titles. We can't discount the fake contract he was sent going all around social media either which may make the UFC want to save face.

Mark Wahlberg recently came out and said he would be open to Conor owning part of the UFC but he has to pay for it like everyone else did. I dont know how the shares work or how many there are but given the company sold for 4.8 billion I believe to cut the check would take nearly if not all of Conor's worth.
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Rumours are that McGregor us about to be stripped of his FW belt. Halloway vs Pettis will be for the interim title and Aldo we be moved to full champion.
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Oh well he can earn even more getting them back when wants to.
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The very idea of Mr Swag retiring right now amuses the fvck out of me

if he retires, he gives up the chance to get up on stage for press conferences and mock other men for earning less money than he does. you really think his ego will let him lose that pleasure just yet?

absolutely no chance, yet again he's got people reacting off his bullshit chain-jerking. don't you guys recognise schtick when you see it? the 'I'm going to reture from this game' ploy is soooooooooo old.
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p4p1 wrote:Rumours are that McGregor us about to be stripped of his FW belt. Halloway vs Pettis will be for the interim title and Aldo we be moved to full champion.
It should be the winner of Holloway/Pettis vs Aldo for the title.
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lefty wrote:
p4p1 wrote:Rumours are that McGregor us about to be stripped of his FW belt. Halloway vs Pettis will be for the interim title and Aldo we be moved to full champion.
It should be the winner of Holloway/Pettis vs Aldo for the title.
I think it's an easy fight for Aldo if Halloway wins. Pettis could get a quick kick in and finish it but his boxing defence likely means that he gets beaten.

Aldo should move up if he fights the winner of Pettis/Halloway there is literally nothing left for him at FW.
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I like Halloway. I think he has improved massively since losing to McGregor. I wouldn't be surprised if he runs that gamut at LW.
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Impractical Poster wrote:That's some strong praise for the Eagle there p4p. I really hope he proves to be the best. And I really hope he can stay injury free and fight regularly.

No doubt in my mind that if he hadn't been riddled with injuries that he would be LW champ right now... I don't think we are going to like how the next year is going to pan out for Khabib, though. I really hope I'm wrong. But, I know Conor doesn't want to fight him. And I don't think Dana wants a champion who is primarily a ground fighter and prone to injuries as the LW champion. However, if they want to save the integrity of their brand, they need to give Khabib that shot. Khabib will probably fight Ferguson early next year. Conor comes back in the Spring. Will probably fight Diaz again. Then maybe try to fight Tyrone, given he is still the belt holder. He'll do anything to avoid Khabib.
I also favor Khabib in the fight, but we have to keep in mind that P4P would pick Heather Clark over McGregor. I've rarely seen such disdain and bias against an athlete and I'm a 'hater'.
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SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
Impractical Poster wrote:That's some strong praise for the Eagle there p4p. I really hope he proves to be the best. And I really hope he can stay injury free and fight regularly.

No doubt in my mind that if he hadn't been riddled with injuries that he would be LW champ right now... I don't think we are going to like how the next year is going to pan out for Khabib, though. I really hope I'm wrong. But, I know Conor doesn't want to fight him. And I don't think Dana wants a champion who is primarily a ground fighter and prone to injuries as the LW champion. However, if they want to save the integrity of their brand, they need to give Khabib that shot. Khabib will probably fight Ferguson early next year. Conor comes back in the Spring. Will probably fight Diaz again. Then maybe try to fight Tyrone, given he is still the belt holder. He'll do anything to avoid Khabib.
I also favor Khabib in the fight, but we have to keep in mind that P4P would pick Heather Clark over McGregor. I've rarely seen such disdain and bias against an athlete and I'm a 'hater'.
I expect more well rounded fighters to beat a guy who's entire skill set relies on guys letting him counter with a good left hand. Instead guys prefer to run into a left hand head first.

I'm not a fan of his antics or the way he belittles guys who make less money than him. For that I like to see him lose, and his fan base for the most part is unbearable.
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p4p1 wrote:
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
Impractical Poster wrote:That's some strong praise for the Eagle there p4p. I really hope he proves to be the best. And I really hope he can stay injury free and fight regularly.

No doubt in my mind that if he hadn't been riddled with injuries that he would be LW champ right now... I don't think we are going to like how the next year is going to pan out for Khabib, though. I really hope I'm wrong. But, I know Conor doesn't want to fight him. And I don't think Dana wants a champion who is primarily a ground fighter and prone to injuries as the LW champion. However, if they want to save the integrity of their brand, they need to give Khabib that shot. Khabib will probably fight Ferguson early next year. Conor comes back in the Spring. Will probably fight Diaz again. Then maybe try to fight Tyrone, given he is still the belt holder. He'll do anything to avoid Khabib.
I also favor Khabib in the fight, but we have to keep in mind that P4P would pick Heather Clark over McGregor. I've rarely seen such disdain and bias against an athlete and I'm a 'hater'.
I expect more well rounded fighters to beat a guy who's entire skill set relies on guys letting him counter with a good left hand. Instead guys prefer to run into a left hand head first..
If it keeps happening maybe there's more to his skill set than just waiting for people to run into his left hand?
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ElJefe wrote:
p4p1 wrote:
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
I also favor Khabib in the fight, but we have to keep in mind that P4P would pick Heather Clark over McGregor. I've rarely seen such disdain and bias against an athlete and I'm a 'hater'.
I expect more well rounded fighters to beat a guy who's entire skill set relies on guys letting him counter with a good left hand. Instead guys prefer to run into a left hand head first..
If it keeps happening maybe there's more to his skill set than just waiting for people to run into his left hand?
It's happened against elite opposition twice. I would hardly say it keeps happening. if he does continue to do it against elite LWs maybe there is more to it. But as of now his biggest wins have come from guys giving him his only way of winning on a silver platter.
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Hell of a win for Whittaker. I picked him to win by TKO but I thought it would be towards the end of the fight, not the end of the 1st round.

Maybe Whittaker/Belfort next?
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No better way to win than that

Boom! :box:
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p4p1 wrote:
ElJefe wrote:
p4p1 wrote: I expect more well rounded fighters to beat a guy who's entire skill set relies on guys letting him counter with a good left hand. Instead guys prefer to run into a left hand head first..
If it keeps happening maybe there's more to his skill set than just waiting for people to run into his left hand?
It's happened against elite opposition twice. I would hardly say it keeps happening. if he does continue to do it against elite LWs maybe there is more to it. But as of now his biggest wins have come from guys giving him his only way of winning on a silver platter.
When he's landing his left hand on literally everyone, surely it's more likely that he's doing something really well rather than his opponents all putting the win on a plate for him? I don't know, just seems like a massive coincidence that so many fighters would "let him" counter them.
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I was rooting for my hometown boy, Brunson. But, dang! I don't think I've seen that much lunging in a single MMA round, ever. He was full steam ahead, just about no technique. Kudos to Whitaker for surviving the initial onslaught and finishing the job.
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ElJefe wrote:
p4p1 wrote:
ElJefe wrote:
If it keeps happening maybe there's more to his skill set than just waiting for people to run into his left hand?
It's happened against elite opposition twice. I would hardly say it keeps happening. if he does continue to do it against elite LWs maybe there is more to it. But as of now his biggest wins have come from guys giving him his only way of winning on a silver platter.
When he's landing his left hand on literally everyone, surely it's more likely that he's doing something really well rather than his opponents all putting the win on a plate for him? I don't know, just seems like a massive coincidence that so many fighters would "let him" counter them.
Siver wasn't even top 10 and the fight was a joke, some others would've finished it in the first.
Mendes was winning until he got tired which is because of the short notice fight.
Aldo was an excellent win obviously but he did jump chin up into a left hand. Stupid decision and he didn't give McGregor the respect he does deserve. He might get caught in a rematch but I'm sure he doesn't make the same mistake again. Not that we will ever get to see because Conor doesn't want to give him his rematch.
Diaz is and always has been easy to hit, putting him away is another thing entirely though as we saw. He also fought a pretty stupid fight in the second fight but almost ended up with the win anyway.
Alvarez is a bit chinny but for whatever reason decided to throw overhand rights against a guy who was always going to tag him with the left if he did. He himself admitted that he threw the gameplan out the window and decided to box with McGregor.
Like I said it's happened twice in his 2 biggest fights were guys lunged at him with poorly timed right hand shots which were easily countered. The moment got to Alvarez and Aldo, where as Conor's ability/mental strength to not get caught up in the moment is IMO his greatest asset after his size and the reason why he was able to get 2 easy wins.
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Impractical Poster wrote:I was rooting for my hometown boy, Brunson. But, dang! I don't think I've seen that much lunging in a single MMA round, ever. He was full steam ahead, just about no technique. Kudos to Whitaker for surviving the initial onslaught and finishing the job.
I haven't seen the fight but man I love Whitaker. I'd actually favour him over Bisping because of his power. Against the other top guys not so much though.
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Holbrook did a good job as well in decisioning Matthews. I had Holbook winning pretty clearly. Tough kid.
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p4p1 wrote:
Impractical Poster wrote:I was rooting for my hometown boy, Brunson. But, dang! I don't think I've seen that much lunging in a single MMA round, ever. He was full steam ahead, just about no technique. Kudos to Whitaker for surviving the initial onslaught and finishing the job.
I haven't seen the fight but man I love Whitaker. I'd actually favour him over Bisping because of his power. Against the other top guys not so much though.
Was interesting. Brunson seemed to be fighting with a lot of nerves. Whitaker looked like he got hurt early in one of the exchanges, but did a really good job recovering. His shots were much more precise and and were landing pretty much at will. Brunson looked to had blown his load a bit premature last night...
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