Lucky punch does exist ? Do you believe so ?

[Counter-puncher]

Some punches are definitely luckier than others.

[Boxerbeetle]

"The harder you train, the luckier you get."

[lazboy]

I believe there are; can't give specific examples but Pac Marquez isn't one of them. If ur aiming for the body and your opponent ducks in with there head and gets rocked..thats lucky. If your gassed or wobbled and throw a haymaker, it lands and stops the opponent, that's lucky but credit should be given more to your heart/courage. Actually I have an example, Danny green v RJJ, the punch bounced off Roy shoulder and hit him behind the ear, Green reckons he's been training for that, but for that to happen like it did, that's luck imo. On the flip side saying u got hit with a lucky punch...it can go part and parcel with you making a mistake.

[Sagaroth]

This is one of them :)...lucky ones

Rahman vs Lewis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABZu5v2JPuE

[Tanzio]

This is one of them :)...lucky ones

Rahman vs Lewis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABZu5v2JPuE

I disagree.

[Tanzio]

Looking at the floor and throwing a punch that lands is a lucky punch ,

I am going to assume that you are referring to Danny's gamechanger v Khan. If so, that was not lucky at all. Danny trained for that shot just as JMM trained for The Planquiao.

No I was referring to no particular fight ,you seem to be having an argument with yourself here

Not really. I still disagree with your assertion that landing a punch while looking at the floor is necessarily a lucky punch. Many shots in boxing are thrown to where your training and processing of your opponent's movement informs you that the target will be relative to your movement and timing. Often that does not entail your physical eyes being trained on the target.

[man]

Does it exist ? Or we may speak about a myth ? Rahman vs Lewis 1 ? JMM vs Pacquiao 4 ? Prescot vs Khan ?

Just excuse ? Or not ?

john david jackson discussed this
with jorge castro.

[man]

Lucky punches almost certainly exist.

i love verbal pearls like this ...
especially enlightened ones.

[man]

This is one of them :)...lucky ones

Rahman vs Lewis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABZu5v2JPuE

how is that lucky? he had him on
the ropes, measured, delivered.
no luck involved.

[man]

Does it exist ? Or we may speak about a myth ? Rahman vs Lewis 1 ? JMM vs Pacquiao 4 ? Prescot vs Khan ?

Just excuse ? Or not ?

No punch can be called lucky. One boxer has to throw a really good punch and his opponent has to make a mistake. It's not a luck for one fighter or bad luck for another one. The only case in which I'd consider KO punch to be "lucky" is if it would be landed in strange circumstances with external influence. Let's say, The Fan Man lands in the ring in Holyfield - Bowe fight on Holyfields back, which takes all Holyfield's attention, and Riddick Bowe throws the puch on defeneless Holyfield that knocks him out. That's the type of punch that I'd consider a "lucky punch".

Rahman - Lewis, JMM - Pac 4, Prescott - Khan? There were no luck in those fights. Just the good punches thrown by some guys and bad mistakes made by the others.

i don't know, when i guy is on the
defensive and just throws wildly
without even looking and then hits
target at the right spot ... i would
see some luck involved.

rahman lewis was obviously not like
that and neither was marquez. can't
recall the details of prescott khan ...

[Tanzio]

No I was referring to no particular fight ,you seem to be having an argument with yourself here

Not really. I still disagree with your assertion that landing a punch while looking at the floor is necessarily a lucky punch. Many shots in boxing are thrown to where your training and processing of your opponent's movement informs you that the target will be relative to your movement and timing. Often that does not entail your physical eyes being trained on the target.

But there has to be some luck involved for the boxer to be at that place to be hit ,he may be there he may not or what about when a fighter gets hit above the ear and gets discombobulated I doubt many fighters try to land there but it can do serious damage.

"There has to be some luck involved" in waking up in the morning, in not choking on your breakfast, in not getting in a fatal accident negotiating your way to work, in the Earth spinning through space at just the right speed not to be pulled into the Sun or flung into deep space. So, I suppose that you are correct that there is "some luck involved" in landing perfectly a punch that you have trained to throw for years and strategized how and when to throw it v your current opponent.

Afterall, we are lucky to have been born at all (whether you consider good or bad luck).

[Tony1244]

If lucky punches don't exist, that pretty well sets boxing apart from all other human endeavors.

[jamesmcdonnell]

I will try to explain what I meant. So, imagine match Klitschko vs Chambers, supposing the majority of posters had been watching this fight.
Klitschko was dominant....So, change the roles, and imagine that 20 seconds before the end of 12 round, Chambers landed properly, and KOd Klitschko. Would it be a lucky punch ? I can not answer this question, because of that, I made this topic.

A real example is what happened in Weaver v Big John Tate. Tate had an insurmountable lead. Team Weaver knew it and Weaver went full out for the KO. He succeeded, dramatically.

Was it luck? Not in my book, but I would be willing to compromise and agree that Mike made his own luck that night. It would not have worked v someone with a decent beard.

Funny that, reference the Weaver v Tate fight in another thread, probably the ultimate come from behind fight, think it was also the last 15 rounds heavyweight title fight if I'm not mistaken? Or have I imagined that.

It's not like Weaver wasn't a known puncher either. He went out looking for it, put pressure on tate and got it.

[Tanzio]

But there has to be some luck involved for the boxer to be at that place to be hit ,he may be there he may not or what about when a fighter gets hit above the ear and gets discombobulated I doubt many fighters try to land there but it can do serious damage.

"There has to be some luck involved" in waking up in the morning, in not choking on your breakfast, in not getting in a fatal accident negotiating your way to work, in the Earth spinning through space at just the right speed not to be pulled into the Sun or flung into deep space. So, I suppose that you are correct that there is "some luck involved" in landing perfectly a punch that you have trained to throw for years and strategized how and when to throw it v your current opponent.

Afterall, we are lucky to have been born at all (whether you consider good or bad luck).

So you agree there are lucky punches.

I believe that boxing is one of the best examples of a profession where you make your own luck.

[ValMar]

"There has to be some luck involved" in waking up in the morning, in not choking on your breakfast, in not getting in a fatal accident negotiating your way to work, in the Earth spinning through space at just the right speed not to be pulled into the Sun or flung into deep space. So, I suppose that you are correct that there is "some luck involved" in landing perfectly a punch that you have trained to throw for years and strategized how and when to throw it v your current opponent.

Afterall, we are lucky to have been born at all (whether you consider good or bad luck).

So you agree there are lucky punches.

I believe that boxing is one of the best examples of a profession where you make your own luck.

Judges/refs ??

[Tanzio]

So you agree there are lucky punches.

I believe that boxing is one of the best examples of a profession where you make your own luck.

Judges/refs ??

We are talking punches on this thread.

[ValMar]

I believe that boxing is one of the best examples of a profession where you make your own luck.

Judges/refs ??

We are talking punches on this thread.

OK, I was off topic.

[crusader]

If lucky punches don't exist, that pretty well sets boxing apart from all other human endeavors.

Yep

This subject comes up regularly, and I find it funny when people are vehement that boxing is exempt from chance in this respect. Choosing lottery numbers doesn't rule out luck ('but he went for that lottery win and got it!'), and neither does simply throwing a punch.

[Enlightened-One]

I don't even know why people are even attempting to dismiss the element of luck when random one-punch KO's occur.

For sure, they don't happen that often, but we've all seen one.

[razzledaz]

I don't even know why people are even attempting to dismiss the element of luck when random one-punch KO's occur.

For sure, they don't happen that often, but we've all seen one.

I don't think any boxer throws a punch with the intention of it missing.

So tell me, what makes these rare lucky punches that we have all seen?

I'm curious.

[crusader]

I don't enter the lottery with the intention of not winning

[razzledaz]

I bet you don't expect to win though.

[crusader]

What if I do? Is it not luck then? Boxers throw plenty of shots without expecting to land them anyway, even if that's their intention. Some shots are also thrown instincitvely, without planning or much realization that they're being thrown.

Again, boxing is not some special flower which is exempt from chance.

[crusader]

And just to raise another example, let's say a boxer throws a punch they don't intend to land, but instead mean to use as a distraction for a harder blow (Some fighters do throw air punches to draw a reaction). However, a split second before they throw that misleading punch, their opponent unexpectedly and uncharacteristically moves to the side in a certain way, which puts that opponent right in the path of the distractor blow which follows, and causes them to be dropped.

In this case, the boxer who scored the KD was not intending for the blow to land or do any damage on its own, but due to the other boxer's unpredicted jump to the side, it landed and did quite a bit of damage.

[Tanzio]

What if I do? Is it not luck then? Boxers throw plenty of shots without expecting to land them anyway, even if that's their intention. Some shots are also thrown instincitvely, without planning or much realization that they're being thrown.

Again, boxing is not some special flower which is exempt from chance.

Much of what properly trained pro boxers do is borderline instinctual by the time they get into the ring. I don't think antone is arguing that there is no degree of chance involved in boxing. Again, there is a percentage of chance involved in every move we make in this reality.

I am of the opinion that the degree of chance attributable to punches thrown in a professional boxing match is greatly reduced by the combination of gifts, skills and training involved in the sport.