Chavez Jr: Canelo Never Hurt Me, He's Not a Big Natural Punche

[Ruthless-RKO]

Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. took a beating on Saturday night, when he lost a twelve round unanimous decision to Mexican rival Saul "Canelo" Alvarez.

Canelo, who raised his record to 49-1 at the T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas, pounded Chavez Jr. with big power shots, round after round, until the final bell of the twelfth round.

All three judges were in agreement, handing Canelo every single round of the fight - with identical scorecards of 120-108.

According to Chavez Jr., he was never hurt during the contest. Chavez Jr. says he felt the thudding force of Canelo's shots, but they were never strong enough to really hurt him.

"He didn’t hurt me. He’s not a big natural puncher. I felt his punch but not to hurt me. I just want to tell the people of Sinoloa I apologize. Obviously they wanted a war, I couldn’t give it to them tonight. My body just wasn’t able to," Chavez Jr. said.

[Ruthless-RKO]

The 164.5 with a strict penalty was not arbitrary. Canelo did to Chavez, what Mayweather did to Canelo. Canelo at 152 wasn't worth a shit against Mayweather, and it was embarrassingly one-sided. Canelo/Mayweather at 152, Canelo/Chavez at 168?

[caldo2025]

It was pretty stunned that Jr never appeared hurt after receiving any of those shots that Canelo landed. I think that GGG's odds of winning ended up going up even after the one sided beating Canelo dealt out because of the power factor being less deadly at Middleweight.

But I haven't seen Canelo hurt in a fight in a very long time and we all know how hard it will be to beat Canelo on the cards. I'm sure we'll see Morretti as one of the judges and he as in Floyd's pocket for years and Canelo is the new Floyd.

[Kurgen22]

JCC JR's natual weight is at least 10 pounds heavier than Chavez and he is much taller. He can take a better shot and he moved well enough to keep from getting caught with anything solid.

[Ruthless-RKO]

JCC JR's natual weight is at least 10 pounds heavier than Chavez and he is much taller. He can take a better shot and he moved well enough to keep from getting caught with anything solid.

Typo? did you mean Canelo?

[verlichte]

Canelo did to Chavez, what Mayweather did to Canelo. Canelo at 152 wasn't worth a poo against Mayweather, and it was embarrassingly one-sided. Canelo/Mayweather at 152, Canelo/Chavez at 168?

Team Canelo actually proposed the 152lbs catchweight stipulation, which Floyd Sr. wasn’t apparently too happy with, since he wanted to limit the official weight to be 150lbs instead.

Alvarez said, he did offer to go to 152 so the fight could be finalized. "I'm the one that made the decision to go to 152," he said.

That being said, the vast majority of Canelo’s bouts, at the time he faced Mayweather, were competed at 140lbs or 147lbs. In fact, he’d only ever engaged in three fights weighing precisely 154lbs, since his official weight for his other contests were at 153lbs or lower.

So yes, there was a catchweight stipulation for Canelo’s bout against Mayweather Jr, but it cannot possibly be compared in severity to the conditions that Chavez Jr. had agreed to abide by.

[IKSRTFO]

The 164.5 with a strict penalty was not arbitrary. Canelo did to Chavez, what Mayweather did to Canelo. Canelo at 152 wasn't worth a poo against Mayweather, and it was embarrassingly one-sided. Canelo/Mayweather at 152, Canelo/Chavez at 168?

[Thomastearns]

Canelo is the new Mayweather. Great record, judges and referees in his pocket, huge public demand to see him lose etc. Unlike Floyd he has a huge paying fanbase, for now.

Only thing that could stop him is if the public stop buying into this shit and demand a live opponent. GGG is the last hope to stop this kind of nonsense.

After this fiasco someone needs to look into this weight draining/rehydration tactics.

They are completely legal, but should they be so? Or should it be up to the public to decide if they want to pay to watch a weight drained fighter?

[Ruthless-RKO]

Canelo is the new Mayweather. Great record, judges and referees in his pocket, huge public demand to see him lose etc. Unlike Floyd he has a huge paying fanbase, for now.

Only thing that could stop him is if the public stop buying into this poo and demand a live opponent. GGG is the last hope to stop this kind of nonsense.

IF he beats GGG, I assume he'll have an easy fight next as long as it pays well.. The who are we expecting him to fight afterwards? Charlo, Lemieux? Still not bigger names or stronger than GGG, but they'll be the next best thing right? Just a thought..

[Mexi-Box]

Canelo did to Chavez, what Mayweather did to Canelo. Canelo at 152 wasn't worth a poo against Mayweather, and it was embarrassingly one-sided. Canelo/Mayweather at 152, Canelo/Chavez at 168?

Team Canelo actually proposed the 152lbs catchweight stipulation, which Floyd Sr. wasn’t apparently too happy with, since he wanted to limit the official weight to be 150lbs instead.

Alvarez said, he did offer to go to 152 so the fight could be finalized. "I'm the one that made the decision to go to 152," he said.

That being said, the vast majority of Canelo’s bouts, at the time he faced Mayweather, were competed at 140lbs or 147lbs. In fact, he’d only ever engaged in three fights weighing precisely 154lbs, since his official weight for his other contests were at 153lbs or lower.

So yes, there was a catchweight stipulation for Canelo’s bout against Mayweather Jr, but it cannot possibly be compared in severity to the conditions that Chavez Jr. had agreed to abide by.

Did you seriously write that with the intention of getting taken serious?

[verlichte]

Canelo did to Chavez, what Mayweather did to Canelo. Canelo at 152 wasn't worth a poo against Mayweather, and it was embarrassingly one-sided. Canelo/Mayweather at 152, Canelo/Chavez at 168?

Team Canelo actually proposed the 152lbs catchweight stipulation, which Floyd Sr. wasn’t apparently too happy with, since he wanted to limit the official weight to be 150lbs instead.

Alvarez said, he did offer to go to 152 so the fight could be finalized. "I'm the one that made the decision to go to 152," he said.

That being said, the vast majority of Canelo’s bouts, at the time he faced Mayweather, were competed at 140lbs or 147lbs. In fact, he’d only ever engaged in three fights weighing precisely 154lbs, since his official weight for his other contests were at 153lbs or lower.

So yes, there was a catchweight stipulation for Canelo’s bout against Mayweather Jr, but it cannot possibly be compared in severity to the conditions that Chavez Jr. had agreed to abide by.

Did you seriously write that with the intention of getting taken serious?

You’re welcome to dissect the entire content of my post on a point-by-point basis and detail any factual-inaccuracies.

I look forward to your reply.

[Mexi-Box]

Team Canelo actually proposed the 152lbs catchweight stipulation, which Floyd Sr. wasn’t apparently too happy with, since he wanted to limit the official weight to be 150lbs instead.

Alvarez said, he did offer to go to 152 so the fight could be finalized. "I'm the one that made the decision to go to 152," he said.

That being said, the vast majority of Canelo’s bouts, at the time he faced Mayweather, were competed at 140lbs or 147lbs. In fact, he’d only ever engaged in three fights weighing precisely 154lbs, since his official weight for his other contests were at 153lbs or lower.

So yes, there was a catchweight stipulation for Canelo’s bout against Mayweather Jr, but it cannot possibly be compared in severity to the conditions that Chavez Jr. had agreed to abide by.

Did you seriously write that with the intention of getting taken serious?

You’re welcome to dissect the entire content of my post on a point-by-point basis and detail any factual-inaccuracies.

I look forward to your reply.

The whole post is just misleading. I can't believe you really want me to dissect it instead of instantly understanding how insane your post is.

He was coming in 170+ against Austin Trout, and you're citing times when he was younger and used to fight at 140 lbs.? Hell, do you think Pacquiao can still make 122 lbs. when he was fighting at 118-126 for long stretches of his career.

[CaptainSpacerod]

Canelo did to Chavez, what Mayweather did to Canelo. Canelo at 152 wasn't worth a poo against Mayweather, and it was embarrassingly one-sided. Canelo/Mayweather at 152, Canelo/Chavez at 168?

Team Canelo actually proposed the 152lbs catchweight stipulation, which Floyd Sr. wasn’t apparently too happy with, since he wanted to limit the official weight to be 150lbs instead.

Alvarez said, he did offer to go to 152 so the fight could be finalized. "I'm the one that made the decision to go to 152," he said.

That being said, the vast majority of Canelo’s bouts, at the time he faced Mayweather, were competed at 140lbs or 147lbs. In fact, he’d only ever engaged in three fights weighing precisely 154lbs, since his official weight for his other contests were at 153lbs or lower.

So yes, there was a catchweight stipulation for Canelo’s bout against Mayweather Jr, but it cannot possibly be compared in severity to the conditions that Chavez Jr. had agreed to abide by.

Did you seriously write that with the intention of getting taken serious?

Canelo was schooled by Mayweather to the point where he was almost on the verge of tears. Weight wasn't the issue, class was

Chavez turned up for the weigh in vs Canelo looking like a shell of a man, too dehydrated to shed tears.

[Mexi-Box]

Team Canelo actually proposed the 152lbs catchweight stipulation, which Floyd Sr. wasn’t apparently too happy with, since he wanted to limit the official weight to be 150lbs instead.

Alvarez said, he did offer to go to 152 so the fight could be finalized. "I'm the one that made the decision to go to 152," he said.

That being said, the vast majority of Canelo’s bouts, at the time he faced Mayweather, were competed at 140lbs or 147lbs. In fact, he’d only ever engaged in three fights weighing precisely 154lbs, since his official weight for his other contests were at 153lbs or lower.

So yes, there was a catchweight stipulation for Canelo’s bout against Mayweather Jr, but it cannot possibly be compared in severity to the conditions that Chavez Jr. had agreed to abide by.

Did you seriously write that with the intention of getting taken serious?

Canelo was schooled by Mayweather to the point where he was almost on the verge of tears. Weight wasn't the issue, class was

Chavez turned up for the weigh in vs Canelo looking like a shell of a man, too dehydrated to shed tears.

If weight wasn't an issue, why did they not have the fight at 154 lbs. or even 175 lbs.?

[verlichte]

Did you seriously write that with the intention of getting taken serious?

You’re welcome to dissect the entire content of my post on a point-by-point basis and detail any factual-inaccuracies.

I look forward to your reply.

The whole post is just misleading. I can't believe you really want me to dissect it instead of instantly understanding how insane your post is.

He was coming in 170+ against Austin Trout, and you're citing times when he was younger and used to fight at 140 lbs.? Hell, do you think Pacquiao can still make 122 lbs. when he was fighting at 118-126 for long stretches of his career.

My comments were in the context of Canelo’s official weights for his bouts. His rehydrated unofficial fight night weights haven’t been disclosed by HBO for at least a couple of years.

The entire content of my post is technically accurate. You cannot undermine these objective truths, since they're irrefutable in nature.

In regards to the Canelo-Mayweather bout, the 152lbs catchweight stipulation was only applicable for the official weigh-in, which is only 1½lbs lighter what Canelo weighed when he fought Austin Trout.

There was no rehydration limit clause. And Mayweather could not prevent Canelo entering the ring for that bout weighing 165lbs - a weight that Alvarez chose himself. For the record, Mayweather claimed he woke up on the morning of the fight weighing 146lbs, the day after the official weigh-in.

And there is no reason to not believe Floyd, since his unofficial ring weight for the Manny Pacquiao bout was only 149lbs, he was 150lbs when he faced Victor Ortiz, 149lbs versus Carlos Baldomir, 146lbs versus Zab Judah, 148lbs versus Sharmba Mitchell etc.

Those are the facts and there is nothing misleading about my post.

[boxing_rocks]

Did you seriously write that with the intention of getting taken serious?

You’re welcome to dissect the entire content of my post on a point-by-point basis and detail any factual-inaccuracies.

I look forward to your reply.

The whole post is just misleading. I can't believe you really want me to dissect it instead of instantly understanding how insane your post is.

He was coming in 170+ against Austin Trout, and you're citing times when he was younger and used to fight at 140 lbs.? Hell, do you think Pacquiao can still make 122 lbs. when he was fighting at 118-126 for long stretches of his career.

I can't believe somebody is still seriously arguing with this fergusg/Enlightened-one/verlichte troll.

[verlichte]

You’re welcome to dissect the entire content of my post on a point-by-point basis and detail any factual-inaccuracies.

I look forward to your reply.

The whole post is just misleading. I can't believe you really want me to dissect it instead of instantly understanding how insane your post is.

He was coming in 170+ against Austin Trout, and you're citing times when he was younger and used to fight at 140 lbs.? Hell, do you think Pacquiao can still make 122 lbs. when he was fighting at 118-126 for long stretches of his career.

I can't believe somebody is still seriously arguing with this fergusg/Enlightened-one/verlichte troll.

Insulting me doesn’t mean that the facts that I have listed aren’t true. I should only be considered a troll if everything that I said was a lie.

If my posts offend you, since they’re nearly always factual-accurate, then you need to either seek help or consider revising your original opinions in light of the evidence that I have supplied.

[CaptainSpacerod]

If weight wasn't an issue, why did they not have the fight at 154 lbs. or even 175 lbs.?

Weight's always an issue to some extent. In the Canelo Floyd fight it was a minor issue, Canelo barely landed a telling blow on Floyd because he was outclassed not because he had no energy.

Weight was the biggest issue in the Chavez Canelo fight and it's daft to argue otherwise. It was painful to watch Chavez have to lug his giant, lumbering, empty shell of a body around the ring for his 12 round beatdown. He must've wanted that money badly cos he'd have known better than anyone that starving himself down to 164.5 would make for a painful night's work on fight night.

[Impractical Poster]

I don't think weight was an issue for Chavez Saturday night. I thought he looked great at the weigh ins. He was probably in the best shape he's been in for years. The problem was he was completely outclassed...

[Impractical Poster]

The entire content of my post is technically accurate. You cannot undermine these objective truths, since they're irrefutable in nature.

Are we in a movie?

[verlichte]

The entire content of my post is technically accurate. You cannot undermine these objective truths, since they're irrefutable in nature.

Are we in a movie?

Sorry... the way I defended my post does sound like a cheesy line from a courtroom drama movie. However, people were accusing me of lying or being misleading, when all I’ve done is speak the truth.

[Mexi-Box]

If weight wasn't an issue, why did they not have the fight at 154 lbs. or even 175 lbs.?

Weight's always an issue to some extent. In the Canelo Floyd fight it was a minor issue, Canelo barely landed a telling blow on Floyd because he was outclassed not because he had no energy.

Weight was the biggest issue in the Chavez Canelo fight and it's daft to argue otherwise. It was painful to watch Chavez have to lug his giant, lumbering, empty shell of a body around the ring for his 12 round beatdown. He must've wanted that money badly cos he'd have known better than anyone that starving himself down to 164.5 would make for a painful night's work on fight night.

That's the only point I'm trying to get across. Saying weight was no issue is misleading; although, Canelo did look a lot better, stamina wise, at 164.5 lbs. than he has ever looked at 154 lbs.

Weight was probably an issue in the Chavez Jr. fight, but I don't think it was the main issue. Chavez Jr. has always been prone to being outclassed. He's not the best fighter and Canelo was just too skillful.

[Kalan]

Saying a guy isn't a big puncher when he punched the living crap out of you for 12 rounds and beat you up badly is ridiculous.

You didn't fight because you can't fight. You don't have any skills and you'll never get any. You knew you couldn't make the weight but took the fight for the same reason Canelo took the Mayweather fight -- because the money was too good to pass up.. You already have losses so one more loss didn't mean anything to you. You're not a viable contender or a threat in any weight division -- so you might as well take your money and quit.

[boxing_rocks]

Saying a guy isn't a big puncher when he punched the living crap out of you for 12 rounds and beat you up badly is ridiculous.

If Canelo punched "the living crap" out of Chavez or even 50% of that living crap, there would be a stoppage. The same way, you could say that Mayweather punched the living crap out of Canelo. Neither of them actually punched anything close to "the living crap" out of their opponents. They just outboxed them and had sufficient power to keep them away, but that's it.

[Tanzio]

If weight was not an issue GingerHead v JCC Jr would have been fought at 170+ and FMJ v GingerHead would have been fought at 154+. You can claim that the result would have been the same without the catchweight stipulations but you have absolutely no proof of that. The catchweight stipulations were obviously important to Teams FMJ and GingerHead.

It is similar to the bullfighter deciding how many jabs to the bull's muscles by the picadore are necessary to alleviate enough risk.