Billy Joe Saunders – “Most avoided middleweight on the planet?”

[verlichte]

Recent press conference quotes from Fwank Warren and Billy Joe Saunders:
• Fwank Warren: "Saunders is most avoided middleweight out there" (we returned signed contracts that weren't signed by Chris Eubank or GGG)
• Saunders: "My goal is Canelo or Golovkin" (suggests that GGG's poor performance against Jacobs was due to the five drug tests he had to undergo)
• Saunders: "If I lose to Khurtsidze, I'll quit boxing" (Billy Joe's seven year old son has more boxing ability than the Georgian)

Thoughts?

[Ruthless-RKO]

Saunders sounds like Tyson Fury

[verlichte]

Saunders sounds like Tyson Fury

They are really good friends, they have similar backgrounds (both from the traveller community), they train together and they also frequently post videos on social media of them both messing about. So it doesn’t surprise me that they behave similarly.

[boxing_rocks]

And they are both morons.

[Loki]

And they are both morons.

Combined IQ of 85.

[boxing_rocks]

And they are both morons.

Combined IQ of 85.

But if you add EO, it will jump to a 100.

[MachoTime]

It's only a matter of time when this thread reach's 4 or 5 pages...

[Oiky]

On his A game Bill is a quality fighter

[Loki]

And they are both morons.

Combined IQ of 85.

But if you add EO, it will jump to a 100.

Is Verlitche the Enlightened One? I've only recently started posting here again but been around since the beginning. I've heard rumours about his posts - it all makes sense now.

[Loki]

On his A game Bill is a quality fighter

He's not elite. Barely beat Eubank Jr when he still had his training wheels on. Plus, he's unfocused and blows up between fights.

[Oiky]

On his A game Bill is a quality fighter

He's not elite. Barely beat Eubank Jr when he still had his training wheels on. Plus, he's unfocused and blows up between fights.

I think Bill beats Jnr 100 times out of 100 simply put

[Loki]

On his A game Bill is a quality fighter

He's not elite. Barely beat Eubank Jr when he still had his training wheels on. Plus, he's unfocused and blows up between fights.

I think Bill beats Jnr 100 times out of 100 simply put

IMO, both are overated but at this point, Eubank beats him. Let's see how BJS looks against the Georgian Dwarf.

[Oiky]

He's not elite. Barely beat Eubank Jr when he still had his training wheels on. Plus, he's unfocused and blows up between fights.

I think Bill beats Jnr 100 times out of 100 simply put

IMO, both are overated but at this point, Eubank beats him. Let's see how BJS looks against the Georgian Dwarf.

Eubank is too busy posting videos on Snapchat yelling whilst hitting bags that don't hit back & sparring with people he seems to just tee off on without being pushed & learning

He's basically irrelevant

If he's not doing that he's on Twitter gas bagging or letting his fathers dumb business ideas ruin potential fights

[boxing_rocks]

Combined IQ of 85.

But if you add EO, it will jump to a 100.

Is Verlitche the Enlightened One? I've only recently started posting here again but been around since the beginning. I've heard rumours about his posts - it all makes sense now.

Yes, he is. I wish he would finally decide to punish this forum and deprive us of his "intelligence".

[Kalan]

On his A game Bill is a quality fighter

He's not elite. Barely beat Eubank Jr when he still had his training wheels on. Plus, he's unfocused and blows up between fights.

I think Bill beats Jnr 100 times out of 100 simply put

He would rematch Eubank if he thought he could beat him... But he knows he's get his ass torn off.

[Oiky]

He's not elite. Barely beat Eubank Jr when he still had his training wheels on. Plus, he's unfocused and blows up between fights.

I think Bill beats Jnr 100 times out of 100 simply put

He would rematch Eubank if he thought he could beat him... But he knows he's get his ass torn off.

Everyone entitled to their opinion

Usually agree with most of your posts but disagree here

Just think Bill can't be messed with Eubank Jnr & his father, tried to cut a deal before for the rematch & the Eubanks were being messers as usual could of made it easy but made life hard

If the 2 fought again I'd be putting money on Bill again 100%

A betting slip on Jnr won't get you anywhere

[boxing_rocks]

If Eubank can comfortably make 160, he will destroy the fat boy.

[tonymaccaroni]

I think Bill beats Jnr 100 times out of 100 simply put

He would rematch Eubank if he thought he could beat him... But he knows he's get his ass torn off.

Everyone entitled to their opinion

Usually agree with most of your posts but disagree here

Just think Bill can't be messed with Eubank Jnr & his father, tried to cut a deal before for the rematch & the Eubanks were being messers as usual could of made it easy but made life hard

If the 2 fought again I'd be putting money on Bill again 100%

A betting slip on Jnr won't get you anywhere

Each to their own but I can never understand this one like people were watching different fights.

I saw a over confident Eubank who totally underestimated BJS letting him win the first 6 rounds, thinking he would literally have nothing left for the last 6 and then he would knock him out. This was still a very close fight and if Eubank had approached this with the right mentality and actually tried to win rounds early I dont even think it would have been close.... Imo Eubank made him look good early then dominated the second half. Fair play to BJS he won fair and square whether or not it was more a case of Eubank losing it rather then him winning. Thats down to your view on it I guess.

For me a better bench mark is Nick Blackwell. BJS lost that fight for me after flagging heavily in the second half on a very close points decision.

Eubank literally nearly killed him.

Didn't even read the OP as it will be usual crap, as if any world class middleweight would avoid the easiest world title of their lives. From a guy who was conveniently injured before both of his first two title defenses then struggled home to a controversial first defense against a nobody almost 2 years on after beating a poor Andy Lee, where he him self admitted how bad he was against Akavov. Has been called out by Rosado and Jacobs recently, both of which would be tough fights for him. GGG preferred a tougher fight against Canelo for more money and more rep so I dont see how that was a dodge either.

Take your gypsy tinted glasses off mate getting boring now.

[Oiky]

He would rematch Eubank if he thought he could beat him... But he knows he's get his ass torn off.

Everyone entitled to their opinion

Usually agree with most of your posts but disagree here

Just think Bill can't be messed with Eubank Jnr & his father, tried to cut a deal before for the rematch & the Eubanks were being messers as usual could of made it easy but made life hard

If the 2 fought again I'd be putting money on Bill again 100%

A betting slip on Jnr won't get you anywhere

Each to their own but I can never understand this one like people were watching different fights.

I saw a over confident Eubank who totally underestimated BJS letting him win the first 6 rounds, thinking he would literally have nothing left for the last 6 and then he would knock him out. This was still a very close fight and if Eubank had approached this with the right mentality and actually tried to win rounds early I dont even think it would have been close.... Imo Eubank made him look good early then dominated the second half. Fair play to BJS he won fair and square whether or not it was more a case of Eubank losing it rather then him winning. Thats down to your view on it I guess.

For me a better bench mark is Nick Blackwell. BJS lost that fight for me after flagging heavily in the second half on a very close points decision.

Eubank literally nearly killed him.

Didn't even read the OP as it will be usual crap, as if any world class middleweight would avoid the easiest world title of their lives. From a guy who was conveniently injured before both of his first two title defenses then struggled home to a controversial first defense against a nobody almost 2 years on after beating a poor Andy Lee, where he him self admitted how bad he was against Akavov. Has been called out by Rosado and Jacobs recently, both of which would be tough fights for him. GGG preferred a tougher fight against Canelo for more money and more rep so I dont see how that was a dodge either.

Take your gypsy tinted glasses off mate getting boring now.

Why are comparing Eubank-Blackwell to Saunders-Blackwell? If you know your boxing you will know that that is no way to gauge fights. Styles make fights.

Where did I say anybody dodged anybody? GGG clearly hasn't ducked Bill...

Tinted glasses comment is Comical

[Oiky]

Everyone entitled to their opinion

Usually agree with most of your posts but disagree here

Just think Bill can't be messed with Eubank Jnr & his father, tried to cut a deal before for the rematch & the Eubanks were being messers as usual could of made it easy but made life hard

If the 2 fought again I'd be putting money on Bill again 100%

A betting slip on Jnr won't get you anywhere

Each to their own but I can never understand this one like people were watching different fights.

I saw a over confident Eubank who totally underestimated BJS letting him win the first 6 rounds, thinking he would literally have nothing left for the last 6 and then he would knock him out. This was still a very close fight and if Eubank had approached this with the right mentality and actually tried to win rounds early I dont even think it would have been close.... Imo Eubank made him look good early then dominated the second half. Fair play to BJS he won fair and square whether or not it was more a case of Eubank losing it rather then him winning. Thats down to your view on it I guess.

For me a better bench mark is Nick Blackwell. BJS lost that fight for me after flagging heavily in the second half on a very close points decision.

Eubank literally nearly killed him.

Didn't even read the OP as it will be usual crap, as if any world class middleweight would avoid the easiest world title of their lives. From a guy who was conveniently injured before both of his first two title defenses then struggled home to a controversial first defense against a nobody almost 2 years on after beating a poor Andy Lee, where he him self admitted how bad he was against Akavov. Has been called out by Rosado and Jacobs recently, both of which would be tough fights for him. GGG preferred a tougher fight against Canelo for more money and more rep so I dont see how that was a dodge either.

Take your gypsy tinted glasses off mate getting boring now.

Why are comparing Eubank-Blackwell to Saunders-Blackwell? If you know your boxing you will know that that is no way to gauge fights. Styles make fights.

Jnr talked sh*t & messed up GGG fight

Tinted glasses comment is Comical

[tonymaccaroni]

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[tonymaccaroni]

Why are comparing Eubank-Blackwell to Saunders-Blackwell? If you know your boxing you will know that that is no way to gauge fights. Styles make fights.

Jnr talked sh*t & messed up GGG fight

Tinted glasses comment is Comical

Obviously styles make fights, but to say you cant gauge fighters based on their performances against the same fighter is not true. The difference in performance against the same opponent was so vast that in this case you can actually use it as a bench mark.

So seriously in your eyes you watched the BJS Eubank fight and fought it was a clear and easy win for BJS?

I mean yeah I agree its a comical comment, but to suggest that there are fighters out there avoiding BJS is verging on insanity let alone comedy.

[Oiky]

Why are comparing Eubank-Blackwell to Saunders-Blackwell? If you know your boxing you will know that that is no way to gauge fights. Styles make fights.

Jnr talked sh*t & messed up GGG fight

Tinted glasses comment is Comical

Obviously styles make fights, but to say you cant gauge fighters based on their performances against the same fighter is not true. The difference in performance against the same opponent was so vast that in this case you can actually use it as a bench mark.

So seriously in your eyes you watched the BJS Eubank fight and fought it was a clear and easy win for BJS?

I mean yeah I agree its a comical comment, but to suggest that there are fighters out there avoiding BJS is verging on insanity let alone comedy.

I thought Bill underestimated Eubank - not how you saw it & Jnr underestimated Bill - And therefore he made it harder for himself. He had it hard in places yea, & Jnr did give him a good fight, but Bill was by far the better boxer & the better man

Jnr was left lunging & looking silly during the fight

I've never said anyone is avoiding Bill?

& Jnr did have all the things he needed to make his rematch happen, but instead the man seems content to keep writing sh*t on social media pages & posting vids on Snapchat yelling whilst hitting bags that mean nothing becos bags don't hit bag & sparring people that don't seem to be pushing him much

Jnr doesn't seem too phased to want to be fighting anybody atm & imo is fast becoming irrelevant

He pretended he didn't know who Jamie Cox is which is b.s., he couldlve had a fight there for one thing but didn't & he couldlve has his GGG fight he spoke so much about but him & his father are deluded & ruin everything

[tonymaccaroni]

Obviously styles make fights, but to say you cant gauge fighters based on their performances against the same fighter is not true. The difference in performance against the same opponent was so vast that in this case you can actually use it as a bench mark.

So seriously in your eyes you watched the BJS Eubank fight and fought it was a clear and easy win for BJS?

I mean yeah I agree its a comical comment, but to suggest that there are fighters out there avoiding BJS is verging on insanity let alone comedy.

I thought Bill underestimated Eubank - not how you saw it & Jnr underestimated Bill - And therefore he made it harder for himself. He had it hard in places yea, & Jnr did give him a good fight, but Bill was by far the better boxer & the better man

Jnr was left lunging & looking silly during the fight

I've never said anyone is avoiding Bill?

& Jnr did have all the things he needed to make his rematch happen, but instead the man seems content to keep writing sh*t on social media pages & posting vids on Snapchat yelling whilst hitting bags that mean nothing becos bags don't hit bag & sparring people that don't seem to be pushing him much

Jnr doesn't seem too phased to want to be fighting anybody atm & imo is fast becoming irrelevant

He pretended he didn't know who Jamie Cox is which is b.s., he couldlve had a fight there for one thing but didn't & he couldlve has his GGG fight he spoke so much about but him & his father are deluded & ruin everything

I guess your not a fan. We both have complete opposite views on this one which is fine. I think Eubank possesses all the tools to go on and be a decent world champion. I feel his choice to go it alone and promote himself is what is holding back to be honest. In terms of speed, power and skill I really think he is one of our best prospects, yet no one seems to like him for personal reasons.

I see it complete opposite, BJS turned up on the night focused with a game plan and to me looked like he was concentrating more then any other fight I had seen him up until that point.

Eubank refused to have a corner man and literally didn't fight for 6 rounds. Sorry I think your mistaken on who underestimated who on this one, but we will agree to disagree.

Yeah you didn't say anyones dodging BJS, because you seem like reasonable and smart guy, but it is the title of this thread. so thats what I was talking about.

In terms of lunging, on the cards it was a close split. Eubank almost certainly landed the heavier shots throughout the fight and it was definitely a tale of two halves in which I agree BJS came out on top. To not give Eubank any credit in this performance I think maybe shows some favoritism. But you are clearly a BJS fan and I am not so makes sense. He was wild in the second half admittedly, but he had lost every round up to that point and had to find a knockout or do something to get back it in. I think that explains his desperation little. After the first 6 round all BJS had to was move on not get hit. Something he actually failed at as he was hit repeatedly and the fight went on to be a split decision..... after winning the first 6.

The snapchat reasons for example, I find this a particularly strange point. Yes a lot of his snap chat or social media stuff is having fun, nothing bad, just like by a pool or riding quad bikes or on holiday. Not like drinking or partying. But the majority of it is of him training, showing that whilst he isn't getting any good fights atm he is still training and tbh he looks really sharp in all his training videos.

The guy gets so much hatred on these videos all pretty much about BJS even today. I have no idea what peoples problem with him is.

Does BJS even train during inactive periods? The Akavov performance suggests not to me....

I think he needs a big win before GGG anyway and whilst I agree his lack of events is hindering him I do feel if he keeps winning in explosive style, even if Britain snubs him as they are, America will give him a shot as he is exciting and possesses bags of natural talent.
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[Ossyrules]

On his A game Bill is a quality fighter

He's not elite. Barely beat Eubank Jr when he still had his training wheels on. Plus, he's unfocused and blows up between fights.

I think Bill beats Jnr 100 times out of 100 simply put

You make bets with your heart not your head. 100 out of 100 is way off. The first fight was really close, it's reasonable to think with adjustments and experience eubank could take the rematch. So being objective about the situation, you're exaggerating for your guy.

Neither have made a big movement in the 160 division since the first fight, Saunders has magaged to capture wbo and eubank not done a lot.

The worry for Saunders is that despite having the better boxing basics than eubank, eubank is more disciplined to improve himself physically. Saunders has stagnated in that regard due to sloppiness between fights, when he does fight.

As for the rematch not being made I blame eubank for that