Tyson Fury camp criticises request from Anthony Joshua

[verlichte]

For AJ? Yes, he ducked him several times, he even acted like he didn't understand English any more when Eddie Hearn asked him about the fight.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JQR-5L1uWfg

I hate it when people jump to conclusions without fact-checking.

Pulev didn’t “duck” Anthony Joshua at all, it’s been well-publicised that he insists on becoming the mandatory challenger, since he would be offered a bigger percentage of the purse split (via the purse bid process) than what was being proposed by Eddie Hearn.

I believe that Eddie Hearn clearly explained this fact when he was interviewed by Kugan Cassius via the iFL TV YouTube channel.

Pulev also preferred to go down the mandatory challenger purse bid route when he faced Wladimir Klitschko for precisely the same reason.

Instead of prematurely jumping to all sorts of derogatory conclusions, by automatically assuming that certain pugilists are “cowards” and “ducks” whenever they refuse to accept specific fights, please remember that boxers are known as “PRIZE” fighters for a reason, which means that they are likely to decline opportunities if they feel they aren’t being paid their worth.

If you adopt that stance and then research what has actually transpired, you’ll have a better understanding of the facts and the conclusions that your draw will more accurately reflect reality.

Could you show me perhaps? As far as I know he could have had a shot against Anthony Joshua when AJ had a world title, but Pulev avoided that fight and fought for a Euro title instead.

I’m sorry, but I haven’t got the time to watch a boat load of lengthy iFL TV videos in order to find the one that justifies my claim about Pulev preferring to become Joshua’s mandatory challenger in order to receive a bigger payday via the purse bid process.

There’s nothing stopping you from watching these videos to appreciate the truth of the situation though. I’ve already done the leg work and fully-understand Pulev's viewpoint.

That being said, there are multiple threads that are easily accessible for you to read in this forum whereby multiple posters clearly explain/support the reasons for Pulev’s actions in relation to this matter.

Also, it should only take you about five minutes to research the Klitschko-Pulev situation, which perfectly mirrors Pulev’s actions for his mandatory shot at Joshua.

Be careful about your use of the word “avoid”. It’s not the first time we’ve seen promoters submit lowball offers and then boldly proclaim “duck”.

Put it this way, if a fighter like Kubrat Pulev is willing to face Anthony Joshua as the IBF’s mandatory challenger and receive a guaranteed 25% purse split via the purse bid process, but had previously rejected Eddie Hearn’s offer to face him, with the Matchroom boss subsequently using words like "duck" and "greedy" to describe the situation, then what does that tell you?

[Sagaroth]

I might be wrong but I think it was before Josh won the IBF title that Hearn was trying to get Pulev as an opponent.

Pulev wasn’t interested because losing would have lost him his position as mandatory challenger.

Yep, this was the case :). This sport in this days is more or less = money.
Mandatory place and especially now when AJ is a big star will help Pulev to make 3-4 times the money of the offer from last October...

[verlichte]

I might be wrong but I think it was before Josh won the IBF title that Hearn was trying to get Pulev as an opponent.

Pulev wasn’t interested because losing would have lost him his position as mandatory challenger.

Yep, this was the case :). This sport in this days is more or less = money.
Mandatory place and especially now when AJ is a big star will help Pulev to make 3-4 times the money of the offer from last October...

You guys need to revise your opinion...

Anthony Joshua captured his IBF world heavyweight title on the 9th April, 2016.

I know for certain that Eddie Hearn entered into discussions to orchestrate a bout between Anthony Joshua and Kubrat Pulev during July 2016.

The Matchroom boss mentioned him again as a potential opponent for AJ during September of the same year (as an alternative to Eric Molina) and said the following about the matter:

“We offered [Kubrat] Pulev £500, 600, 700 [000]. ‘No, no, no.’ You’re fighting for 100[000] for the European title, what is going on?”

The Bulgarian declined opportunities to face Anthony Joshua on the financial terms offered to him by Eddie Hearn, because he believed that receiving a guaranteed 25% purse split resulting from the IBF's purse bid process would have almost certainly ensured a bigger payday. It was just a waiting game for him...

[Sagaroth]

I might be wrong but I think it was before Josh won the IBF title that Hearn was trying to get Pulev as an opponent.

Pulev wasn’t interested because losing would have lost him his position as mandatory challenger.

Yep, this was the case :). This sport in this days is more or less = money.
Mandatory place and especially now when AJ is a big star will help Pulev to make 3-4 times the money of the offer from last October...

You guys need to revise your opinion...

Anthony Joshua captured his IBF world heavyweight title on the 9th April, 2016.

I know for certain that Eddie Hearn entered into discussions to orchestrate a bout between Anthony Joshua and Kubrat Pulev during July 2016.

The Matchroom boss mentioned him again as a potential opponent for AJ during September of the same year (as an alternative to Eric Molina) and said the following about the matter:

“We offered [Kubrat] Pulev £500, 600, 700 [000]. ‘No, no, no.’ You’re fighting for 100[000] for the European title, what is going on?”

The Bulgarian declined opportunities to face Anthony Joshua on the financial terms offered to him by Eddie Hearn, because he believed that receiving a guaranteed 25% purse split resulting from the IBF's purse bid process would have almost certainly ensured a bigger payday for him.

Actually you need to re-check.... Before AJ win for the IBF title, Hearn gave an offer to Derek Del Boy Chisora. He refused and decided to fight against Pulev for the EBU Title.
You are mixing the news :)
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/an ... ra-7324919

And after this AJ offered voluntary defense vs Pulev. Pulev refuse, because he is a money fighter and as we already posted here many times he will get much more money from the mandatory defense.
So, yeah he is for sure not coward... He is making his calculations correct.

[verlichte]

Yep, this was the case :). This sport in this days is more or less = money.
Mandatory place and especially now when AJ is a big star will help Pulev to make 3-4 times the money of the offer from last October...

You guys need to revise your opinion...

Anthony Joshua captured his IBF world heavyweight title on the 9th April, 2016.

I know for certain that Eddie Hearn entered into discussions to orchestrate a bout between Anthony Joshua and Kubrat Pulev during July 2016.

The Matchroom boss mentioned him again as a potential opponent for AJ during September of the same year (as an alternative to Eric Molina) and said the following about the matter:

“We offered [Kubrat] Pulev £500, 600, 700 [000]. ‘No, no, no.’ You’re fighting for 100[000] for the European title, what is going on?”

The Bulgarian declined opportunities to face Anthony Joshua on the financial terms offered to him by Eddie Hearn, because he believed that receiving a guaranteed 25% purse split resulting from the IBF's purse bid process would have almost certainly ensured a bigger payday for him.

Actually you need to re-check.... After AJ won the IBF title, Hearn gave an offer to Derek Del Boy Chisora. He refused and decided to fight against Pulev for the EBU Title.
You are mixing the news :)

Please click on the hyperlink in my post that you've actually quoted and read what has been written. I've already proven my claim if you review the evidence presented to you.

For sure, Hearn may have tried to arrange a fight between AJ & Pulev multiple times throughout the last few years or so, but he has at least on two occasions, since Joshua captured his world title, tried to get Pulev to take the Joshua bout on Matchroom’s terms.

[Sagaroth]

You guys need to revise your opinion...

Anthony Joshua captured his IBF world heavyweight title on the 9th April, 2016.

I know for certain that Eddie Hearn entered into discussions to orchestrate a bout between Anthony Joshua and Kubrat Pulev during July 2016.

The Matchroom boss mentioned him again as a potential opponent for AJ during September of the same year (as an alternative to Eric Molina) and said the following about the matter:

“We offered [Kubrat] Pulev £500, 600, 700 [000]. ‘No, no, no.’ You’re fighting for 100[000] for the European title, what is going on?”

The Bulgarian declined opportunities to face Anthony Joshua on the financial terms offered to him by Eddie Hearn, because he believed that receiving a guaranteed 25% purse split resulting from the IBF's purse bid process would have almost certainly ensured a bigger payday for him.

Actually you need to re-check.... After AJ won the IBF title, Hearn gave an offer to Derek Del Boy Chisora. He refused and decided to fight against Pulev for the EBU Title.
You are mixing the news :)

Please click on the hyperlink in my post that you've actually quoted and read what has been written. I've already proven my claim if you review the evidence presented to you.

For sure, Hearn may have tried to arrange a fight between AJ & Pulev multiple times throughout the last few years or so, but he has at least on two occasions, whilst Joshua was the world champion, tried to get Pulev to take the Joshua bout on Matchroom’s terms.

He tried one time for one match :) You need to make a difference between a match and an offer. So yeah he made many offers for this one voluntary defense :) Cheers mate

[tonymaccaroni]

Actually you need to re-check.... After AJ won the IBF title, Hearn gave an offer to Derek Del Boy Chisora. He refused and decided to fight against Pulev for the EBU Title.
You are mixing the news :)

Please click on the hyperlink in my post that you've actually quoted and read what has been written. I've already proven my claim if you review the evidence presented to you.

For sure, Hearn may have tried to arrange a fight between AJ & Pulev multiple times throughout the last few years or so, but he has at least on two occasions, whilst Joshua was the world champion, tried to get Pulev to take the Joshua bout on Matchroom’s terms.

He tried one time for one match :) You need to make a difference between a match and an offer. So yeah he made many offers for this one voluntary defense :) Cheers mate

Dude, never question the master of boxing contract negotiation info mate. I have learnt from verlichte that if a UK boxing promoter says something is true, then it is 100% true factual evidence that cannot be disputed or interpreted any differently. Even when they are the only source for the information presented.

I guess your just a 'casual' boxing fan....

[verlichte]

Please click on the hyperlink in my post that you've actually quoted and read what has been written. I've already proven my claim if you review the evidence presented to you.

For sure, Hearn may have tried to arrange a fight between AJ & Pulev multiple times throughout the last few years or so, but he has at least on two occasions, whilst Joshua was the world champion, tried to get Pulev to take the Joshua bout on Matchroom’s terms.

He tried one time for one match :) You need to make a difference between a match and an offer. So yeah he made many offers for this one voluntary defense :) Cheers mate

Dude, never question the master of boxing contract negotiation info mate. I have learnt from verlichte that if a UK boxing promoter says something is true, then it is 100% true factual evidence that cannot be disputed or interpreted any differently. Even when they are the only source for the information presented.

I guess your just a 'casual' boxing fan....

It’s much better to believe the words of casual fight fans that spontaneously utter nonsense, much akin to a keyboard Tourette’s Syndrome sufferer, than to follow the sport and educate yourself on the reality of the situation!

The other alternative is to simply believe that your daydreams are real.

Good for you kiddies!

[Sagaroth]

Please click on the hyperlink in my post that you've actually quoted and read what has been written. I've already proven my claim if you review the evidence presented to you.

For sure, Hearn may have tried to arrange a fight between AJ & Pulev multiple times throughout the last few years or so, but he has at least on two occasions, whilst Joshua was the world champion, tried to get Pulev to take the Joshua bout on Matchroom’s terms.

He tried one time for one match :) You need to make a difference between a match and an offer. So yeah he made many offers for this one voluntary defense :) Cheers mate

Dude, never question the master of boxing contract negotiation info mate. I have learnt from verlichte that if a UK boxing promoter says something is true, then it is 100% true factual evidence that cannot be disputed or interpreted any differently. Even when they are the only source for the information presented.

I guess your just a 'casual' boxing fan....

Hehhe

[tonymaccaroni]

He tried one time for one match :) You need to make a difference between a match and an offer. So yeah he made many offers for this one voluntary defense :) Cheers mate

Dude, never question the master of boxing contract negotiation info mate. I have learnt from verlichte that if a UK boxing promoter says something is true, then it is 100% true factual evidence that cannot be disputed or interpreted any differently. Even when they are the only source for the information presented.

I guess your just a 'casual' boxing fan....

It’s much better to believe the words of casual fight fans that spontaneously utter nonsense, much akin to a keyboard Tourette’s Syndrome sufferer, than to follow the sport and educate yourself on the reality of the situation!

The other alternative is to simply believe that your daydreams are real.

Good for you kiddies!

Of course, my apologies to the one true follower of the sport. God damn casuals like me who watch every single fight in the UK and US for 10 years could not dare offer an opinion that differs to yours. My humblest apologies again.

[verlichte]

Dude, never question the master of boxing contract negotiation info mate. I have learnt from verlichte that if a UK boxing promoter says something is true, then it is 100% true factual evidence that cannot be disputed or interpreted any differently. Even when they are the only source for the information presented.

I guess your just a 'casual' boxing fan....

It’s much better to believe the words of casual fight fans that spontaneously utter nonsense, much akin to a keyboard Tourette’s Syndrome sufferer, than to follow the sport and educate yourself on the reality of the situation!

The other alternative is to simply believe that your daydreams are real.

Good for you kiddies!

Of course, my apologies to the one true follower of the sport. God damn casuals like me who watch every single fight in the UK and US for 10 years could not dare offer an opinion that differs to yours. My humblest apologies again.

You know what I mean... I'm not here to belittle anyone. You're the one at fault here for mocking those that have read-up on things, whilst praising those that don't.

[Tanzio]

The first lesson in self editing entails learning when to STFU and applying what you have learned.

[candyslim]

No need to get hung up on the minutiae. The fact is an offer maybe plural was made to Pulev to fight AJ. Pulev turned it/ them down as the terms were not satisfactory to him at that time, as was his right to do so. Nothing to see here, move along now.