Joe Calzaghe (2008) vs recent Andre Ward ?

[Covfefe]

I said someone worth mentioning, Kessler was a good fighter, but not world class imo.

How is he not worth mentioning? He beat Carl Froch when Kessler was suffering from injuries and in the slide.

Calzaghe wouldn't even fight Froch, and Ward would dominate all three of them. That's how.

Of course he'd have fought him. Froch was just a British champion till Calzaghe retired.

[crusader]

Lol at 'just acknowledging the skill level'....even Paul Smith went past 6.

I have a feeling TNT has been here before

what does Paul Smith have to do with Andre Ward's level of talent?

I have a feeling you are just another Ward hater who refuses to recognize how great he is in the ring.

Joe was a good fighter no doubt, but he will never be mentioned as an all time great.

You say you're just acknowledging the difference in skill between Ward and Calzaghe, yet we can see countless examples of fighters less skilled and durable than Joe going past 6 with Ward. The last guy Ward stopped in 6 or under was Shelby Pudwill, and that was in 2009

If Kessler isnt worth mentioning, then Ward has beaten pretty much no one worth mentioning.

Now time to put you on ignore...go ahead, get in the last word, and keep feeling sorry for yourself Brut

[Ossyrules]

TNT ward Calzaghe assessment is way off

1. Ward isn't stopping anyone in 6

2. Calzaghe showed no signs except his dust up with Byron Mitchell he's getting stopped early.

Overall, very unlikely assessment

[ClivePatrickLyons]

Ward by a shutout easy night for S.O.G

[crusader]

Ward by a shutout easy night for S.O.G

So you think Ward easily beats up 200 pound Usyk and you dont see him losing any rounds against Calzaghe (though he did lose numerous rounds to Kov).

Which active fighters dont get dominated by him in your opinion? Do we need to go the the HW elite for that? Is Ward even too much for guys like Wilder and Povetkin?

[ClivePatrickLyons]

Ward by a shutout easy night for S.O.G

So you think Ward easily beats up 200 pound Usyk and you dont see him losing any rounds against Calzaghe (though he did lose numerous rounds to Kov).

Which active fighters dont get dominated by him in your opinion? Do we need to go the the HW elite for that? Is Ward even too much for guys like Wilder and Povetkin?

You hit the nail on tha head young fella and don't you ever ever forget june 2017 the BEST FIGHTER P4P KING IN THE WORLD IS S.O.G

[crusader]

So you think he beats Wilder and Povetkin? What about AJ?

Im not sure if you're even being serious at this point, at least I hope you arent

[Kalan]

When was the last time Joe beat a real champion worth mentioning in his prime?

Mikkel Kessler?

I said someone worth mentioning, Kessler was a good fighter, but not world class imo.

Calzaghe even disparaged Kessler's ability before he fought him.. Said he had no inside game and couldn't duck a punch, but Kessler gave him all he wanted and nailed him with uppercuts - winning rounds.. Kessler never hit Ward all night -- and all MK did was take shot after shot in the face.. Froch beat Kessler twice, but was robbed in Denmark...something was rotten there.. Froch is a couple years older than Kessler but he pounded him in the rematch. Calzaghe had a chance to fight 2 real good, prime, undefeated fighters: Chad Dawson and Carl Froch -- he ducked both... Get a load of some of the dubs he cherry-picked for challengers.

[Covfefe]

Mikkel Kessler?

I said someone worth mentioning, Kessler was a good fighter, but not world class imo.

Calzaghe even disparaged Kessler's ability before he fought him.. Said he had no inside game and couldn't duck a punch, but Kessler gave him all he wanted and nailed him with uppercuts - winning rounds.. Kessler never hit Ward all night -- and all MK did was take shot after shot in the face.. Froch beat Kessler twice, but was robbed in Denmark...something was rotten there.. Froch is a couple years older than Kessler but he pounded him in the rematch. Calzaghe had a chance to fight 2 real good, prime, undefeated fighters: Chad Dawson and Carl Froch -- he ducked both... Get a load of some of the dubs he cherry-picked for challengers.

Please do tell us again how Calzaghe Froch would have sold out Wembley to 80k back when Calzaghe faced Manfredo.

[Kalan]

Calz-Froch would have been another Froch-Groves attraction...only better.. It was one of those dynamite match ups... Groves had only 19 fights, but it was big

[bury_lad]

Joe Calzaghe's unorthodox volume slapping would have presented a huge problem to any fighter, but unfortunately for him, the biggest names on his resume were all far removed from their physical primes, apart from Kessler.

The Welshman was also offered career-high purses twice to face Carl Froch, but he declined the opportunity to face the man from Nottingham in preference of receiving smaller paydays against easier opposition.

Andre Ward takes the victory in this fight comfortably.

You seem to have your dates out mate.

Calzaghe turned down career high pay days against Froch in preference of smaller paydays???? You sure?

Do you realise Calzaghe had retired before Froch had even won a world title? So you’re basically suggesting that the little known British title holder was at the time, a career high pay day for Calzaghe? The same Calzaghe that sold 50,000 tickets against Manfrado, topped the bill at the sold out MEN against Lacy and fought two money fights in the States against two of the biggest names of their generation?

In fact, Froch was virtually unknown to the British public until he signed with Eddie Hearn, I seem to remember the commentator in the Taylor fight mentioning that Froch had only took 20 odd fans to the Taylor fight… But Calzaghe had obviously long retired before this anyway.

So can you please confirm when the offers in the following statement occurred:

“the Welshman was also offered career-high purses twice to face Carl Froch, but he declined the opportunity to face the man from Nottingham in preference of receiving smaller paydays against easier opposition”

I’m only asking as you like to boast about backing up your statements with facts and evidence?????????????? And apparently you’re never wrong!

[Loki]

This Froch accusation does need some proof, because it sounds like bullshit. Retrospective made up bullshit, which has followed Calzaghe forever. So, another long winded opportunity is here, please explain.

It's not bûllshît. I have previously presented my evidence to the forum. I can do so again... later on this evening.

I have a proven track record of defending my claims by citing evidence, so I'm a tad surprised that you doubt me.

Do you care to keep saying the word "bûllshît" over-and-over again, or do you care to research the matter for yourself and retract your bûllshît accusations before I post the proof?

Calzaghe flat out ducked Froch.. Calzaghe was tailor made for Froch.. because he led with his head and even Kessler nailed Calzaghe with big shots.. Froch was not a great boxer but he could hit real good if you shoved your head into his wheelhouse like Calzaghe and Bute were prone to do.. Mitchell, Jones, and Hopkins decked Calzaghe when he was sticking his head in there recklessly -- so he's been on the canvas more than Ward has. When Calzaghe cherry-picked Peter Manfredo -- Froch was 20-0 and had been calling Calzaghe out for years.. It would have been bigger than Froch-Groves which packed Wembley with 87,000 asses.

Calzaghe never had a good trainer -- his dad never boxed and was his trainer all his life.. JC was a rich man's Nathan Cleverly. He relied on his speed and reflexes and taught himself how to fight.. Ward does everything by the book with the correct stance and balance.. He would easily outpoint Calzaghe.

Probably the worst post I've read in two years. Do your homework and watch boxing.

[Ossyrules]

Calz-Froch would have been another Froch-Groves attraction...only better.. It was one of those dynamite match ups... Groves had only 19 fights, but it was big

Are you English?

If you are you'd know that the popularity in boxing has grown a lot. Calzaghe years weren't so well promoted. Matchroom have turned things on its head.

Around the time Froch COULD have fought Calzaghe (08),assuming Calzaghe didn't fight hopkins and Roy, the Froch fight wasn't a Wembley sell out

[Ossyrules]

Mikkel Kessler?

I said someone worth mentioning, Kessler was a good fighter, but not world class imo.

Calzaghe even disparaged Kessler's ability before he fought him.. Said he had no inside game and couldn't duck a punch, but Kessler gave him all he wanted and nailed him with uppercuts - winning rounds.. Kessler never hit Ward all night -- and all MK did was take shot after shot in the face.. Froch beat Kessler twice, but was robbed in Denmark...something was rotten there.. Froch is a couple years older than Kessler but he pounded him in the rematch. Calzaghe had a chance to fight 2 real good, prime, undefeated fighters: Chad Dawson and Carl Froch -- he ducked both... Get a load of some of the dubs he cherry-picked for challengers.

You get hung up on age and prime. Kesslers had a much longer career than Froch. He hit the top earlier also. He was physically more worn out than Froch by the second meeting. Forget age.

And Kessler won the first fight. He's everything Froch is but with better technique

[gilgamesh]

I said someone worth mentioning, Kessler was a good fighter, but not world class imo.

Calzaghe even disparaged Kessler's ability before he fought him.. Said he had no inside game and couldn't duck a punch, but Kessler gave him all he wanted and nailed him with uppercuts - winning rounds.. Kessler never hit Ward all night -- and all MK did was take shot after shot in the face.. Froch beat Kessler twice, but was robbed in Denmark...something was rotten there.. Froch is a couple years older than Kessler but he pounded him in the rematch. Calzaghe had a chance to fight 2 real good, prime, undefeated fighters: Chad Dawson and Carl Froch -- he ducked both... Get a load of some of the dubs he cherry-picked for challengers.

You get hung up on age and prime. Kesslers had a much longer career than Froch. He hit the top earlier also. He was physically more worn out than Froch by the second meeting. Forget age.

And Kessler won the first fight. He's everything Froch is but with better technique

I had the first Kessler/Froch fight 115-113 for Froch. I had the 2nd one very clear for Froch. I thought he beat Kessler twice myself, but the first fight was close so I don't dispute the official decision, but Froch won the 2nd fight WAY more clearly, and had a far better career than Kessler. Froch is the better fighter of the two in my opinion.

[Ossyrules]

Calzaghe even disparaged Kessler's ability before he fought him.. Said he had no inside game and couldn't duck a punch, but Kessler gave him all he wanted and nailed him with uppercuts - winning rounds.. Kessler never hit Ward all night -- and all MK did was take shot after shot in the face.. Froch beat Kessler twice, but was robbed in Denmark...something was rotten there.. Froch is a couple years older than Kessler but he pounded him in the rematch. Calzaghe had a chance to fight 2 real good, prime, undefeated fighters: Chad Dawson and Carl Froch -- he ducked both... Get a load of some of the dubs he cherry-picked for challengers.

You get hung up on age and prime. Kesslers had a much longer career than Froch. He hit the top earlier also. He was physically more worn out than Froch by the second meeting. Forget age.

And Kessler won the first fight. He's everything Froch is but with better technique

I had the first Kessler/Froch fight 115-113 for Froch. I had the 2nd one very clear for Froch. I thought he beat Kessler twice myself, but the first fight was close so I don't dispute the official decision, but Froch won the 2nd fight WAY more clearly, and had a far better career than Kessler. Froch is the better fighter of the two in my opinion.

No problems it was a close fight. Froch certainly wasn't robbed as per kalan. The judges called a close win for Froch and I don't think there's anything out there to suggest they've definitely got that decision wrong. So it's a Kessler win.

Froch won the second fair and square, but to me Kessler was clearly at the end of his career there whilst Froch was still at it as a top performer

[Loki]

Calzaghe even disparaged Kessler's ability before he fought him.. Said he had no inside game and couldn't duck a punch, but Kessler gave him all he wanted and nailed him with uppercuts - winning rounds.. Kessler never hit Ward all night -- and all MK did was take shot after shot in the face.. Froch beat Kessler twice, but was robbed in Denmark...something was rotten there.. Froch is a couple years older than Kessler but he pounded him in the rematch. Calzaghe had a chance to fight 2 real good, prime, undefeated fighters: Chad Dawson and Carl Froch -- he ducked both... Get a load of some of the dubs he cherry-picked for challengers.

You get hung up on age and prime. Kesslers had a much longer career than Froch. He hit the top earlier also. He was physically more worn out than Froch by the second meeting. Forget age.

And Kessler won the first fight. He's everything Froch is but with better technique

I had the first Kessler/Froch fight 115-113 for Froch. I had the 2nd one very clear for Froch. I thought he beat Kessler twice myself, but the first fight was close so I don't dispute the official decision, but Froch won the 2nd fight WAY more clearly, and had a far better career than Kessler. Froch is the better fighter of the two in my opinion.

I had the first fight a draw. Second, clearly for Froch. Something happened to Kessler after the Calzaghe / Ward fights, didn't look the same. I know he struggled at the weight.

[crusader]

I had the first Kessler-Froch fight 115-113 for Kessler. Not a robbery at all...

In my opinion, Kessler regressed by the time they did it again. I know he'd been having significant injury problems and his balance in particular looked off to me.

[gilgamesh]

I had the first Kessler-Froch fight 115-113 for Kessler. Not a robbery at all...

In my opinion, Kessler regressed by the time they did it again. I know he'd been having significant injury problems and his balance in particular looked off to me.

He'd definitely regressed by the time the rematch went down, but Froch I still consider to be the better fighter because he has a significantly better resume than Kessler overall in my opinion.

[crusader]

Yes, Froch's career definitely rates higher.

[boxing_rocks]

Yes, Froch's career definitely rates higher.

His resume is better than Kessler's, but the boxers themselves are clearly of the same level.

[crusader]

I'd say that's a reasonable opinion.

[ValMar]

I opened topic about Calzaghe and Ward, and Froch has not been mentioned. Majority of posts relating Carl Froch, who was a very decent fighter, but easily defeated by Andre Ward. So, what do you think about this fantasy match, Calzaghe vs Ward ?

[Ossyrules]

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[gilgamesh]

Yes, Froch's career definitely rates higher.

His resume is better than Kessler's, but the boxers themselves are clearly of the same level.

Yeah that's a fair statement. Both at their best I think Kessler vs Froch would always be competitive fights and either could win.