Will Joshua be invincible till 2022 ?

ValMar · Post by **ValMar** » 03 Aug 2017, 08:02

Will AJ be invincible next five years ? Why do you think so ?

Ricky_ · Post by **Ricky_** » 03 Aug 2017, 08:21

No, he's a recipe for disaster imo.

Enlightened-One · Post by **Enlightened-One** » 03 Aug 2017, 08:30

No fighter is “invincible.”

Anthony Joshua has already demonstrated flaws during his bouts against the likes of Dominic Breazeale, Dillian Whyte & Wladimir Klitschko.

Ossyrules · Post by **Ossyrules** » 03 Aug 2017, 08:41

Ricky_ wrote:No, he's a recipe for disaster imo.

FFS he's hardly a recipe for disaster! 2 belts in 60 odd rounds into his career! What a nightmare he's having. Just stopped the best opponent he could face as well

Ossyrules · Post by **Ossyrules** » 03 Aug 2017, 08:51

Enlightened-One wrote:No fighter is “invincible.”

Anthony Joshua has already demonstrated flaws during his bouts against the likes of Dominic Breazeale, Dillian Whyte & Wladimir Klitschko.

Agree with this except naming breazeale. What flaws did you see?

Ossyrules · Post by **Ossyrules** » 03 Aug 2017, 08:53

My take is it'll take a top guy to beat him or a guy with a punch like wilder. 5 years is a long time to account for in sport.

I voted unsure

IKSRTFO · Post by **IKSRTFO** » 03 Aug 2017, 08:56

Nobody's invincible

ValMar · Post by **ValMar** » 03 Aug 2017, 08:58

Ossyrules wrote:
Enlightened-One wrote:No fighter is “invincible.”

Anthony Joshua has already demonstrated flaws during his bouts against the likes of Dominic Breazeale, Dillian Whyte & Wladimir Klitschko.
Agree with this except naming breazeale. What flaws did you see?

I agree with Ossyrules about Breazele.
Flawless boxer does not exist.
FMJ is/was literally invincible, but he has/had some flaws.

ValMar · Post by **ValMar** » 03 Aug 2017, 09:01

IKSRTFO wrote:Nobody's invincible

Wlad was invincible almost a decade. FMJ is still invincible, but this is off topic story.
Do you think that someone might defeat Joshua in the next five years ?
Pretty simple question.....

Ricky_ · Post by **Ricky_** » 03 Aug 2017, 09:04

ValMar wrote:
Ossyrules wrote:
Enlightened-One wrote:No fighter is “invincible.”

Anthony Joshua has already demonstrated flaws during his bouts against the likes of Dominic Breazeale, Dillian Whyte & Wladimir Klitschko.
Agree with this except naming breazeale. What flaws did you see?

FMJ is/was literally invincible

IKSRTFO · Post by **IKSRTFO** » 03 Aug 2017, 09:04

ValMar wrote:
IKSRTFO wrote:Nobody's invincible
Wlad was invincible almost a decade. FMJ is still invincible, but this is off topic story.
Do you think that someone might defeat Joshua in the next five years ?
Pretty simple question.....

Not losing doesn't = invincible. Wlad always been beatable, just the quality of heavyweights was subpar during his reign. Mayweather arguably was defeated by Castillo and Maidana and there's names that would've given Floyd problems that he didn't fight at certain times.

ValMar · Post by **ValMar** » 03 Aug 2017, 09:09

Ricky_ wrote:
ValMar wrote:
Ossyrules wrote:
Agree with this except naming breazeale. What flaws did you see?

FMJ is/was literally invincible

Ricky, what has happened with you ? Tell me something about FMJ's losses. You had better open the new thread, it is off topic, here....

Ricky_ · Post by **Ricky_** » 03 Aug 2017, 09:11

ValMar wrote:
Ricky_ wrote:
ValMar wrote:

FMJ is/was literally invincible

Ricky, what has happened with you ? Tell me something about FMJ's losses. You had better open the new thread, it is off topic, here....

Think about what you just said. "Invincible".

ValMar · Post by **ValMar** » 03 Aug 2017, 09:14

Ricky_ wrote:
ValMar wrote:
Ricky_ wrote:

Ricky, what has happened with you ? Tell me something about FMJ's losses. You had better open the new thread, it is off topic, here....
Think about what you just said. "Invincible".

49-0-0 ----- invincible-----let us discuss about Joshua-----

Ricky_ · Post by **Ricky_** » 03 Aug 2017, 09:21

ValMar wrote: 49-0-0 ----- invincible-----let us discuss about Joshua-----

Invincibility ≠ a padded-out cherry-picked record.

ValMar · Post by **ValMar** » 03 Aug 2017, 09:24

Ricky_ wrote:
ValMar wrote: 49-0-0 ----- invincible-----let us discuss about Joshua-----

Invincibility ≠ a padded-out cherry-picked record.

Ricky, please, this is a topic about Joshua.....

greg · Post by **greg** » 03 Aug 2017, 09:26

..five years is a long time, anything can happen ..

gp. · Post by **gp.** » 03 Aug 2017, 09:34

Ossyrules wrote:
Enlightened-One wrote:No fighter is “invincible.”

Anthony Joshua has already demonstrated flaws during his bouts against the likes of Dominic Breazeale, Dillian Whyte & Wladimir Klitschko.
Agree with this except naming breazeale. What flaws did you see?

I can only imagine he thought Joshua was in danger of hurting his hands.

Enlightened-One · Post by **Enlightened-One** » 03 Aug 2017, 09:40

Ossyrules wrote:
Enlightened-One wrote:No fighter is “invincible.”

Anthony Joshua has already demonstrated flaws during his bouts against the likes of Dominic Breazeale, Dillian Whyte & Wladimir Klitschko.
Agree with this except naming breazeale. What flaws did you see?

There were rounds where I felt he coasted. I don’t know if this was due to stamina issues, complacency where he mentally “switch off” (and resorted to auto-pilot) or the awkwardness of the opponent.

I didn’t feel like he was looking for that many opponents or implementing a strategy that was specifically aimed to wear his opponent down. He just seemed to take “time off” during certain rounds.

My evaluation might be a tad harsh, since Joshua is clearly riding a steep learning curve, but I can only express my honest personal opinion, even if it does go against the grain of the masses.

ValMar · Post by **ValMar** » 03 Aug 2017, 09:45

gp. wrote:
Ossyrules wrote:
Enlightened-One wrote:No fighter is “invincible.”

Anthony Joshua has already demonstrated flaws during his bouts against the likes of Dominic Breazeale, Dillian Whyte & Wladimir Klitschko.
Agree with this except naming breazeale. What flaws did you see?
I can only imagine he thought Joshua was in danger of hurting his hands.

I would like to see the explaination from EO.
BTW, I think that Holmes, after beating Ali, was invincible about five years. Honestly, I feel that Joshua is a level above Holmes, and I consider realistic possibility that Joshua stay undefeated for next five years.

Tony1244 · Post by **Tony1244** » 03 Aug 2017, 09:46

Ricky_ wrote:
ValMar wrote: 49-0-0 ----- invincible-----let us discuss about Joshua-----

Invincibility ≠ a padded-out cherry-picked record.

Really? Click, read, and learn Ricky.

http://boxrec.com/boxer/659461

ValMar · Post by **ValMar** » 03 Aug 2017, 09:47

Enlightened-One wrote:
Ossyrules wrote:
Enlightened-One wrote:No fighter is “invincible.”

Anthony Joshua has already demonstrated flaws during his bouts against the likes of Dominic Breazeale, Dillian Whyte & Wladimir Klitschko.
Agree with this except naming breazeale. What flaws did you see?
There were rounds where I felt he coasted. I don’t know if this was due to stamina issues, complacency where he mentally “switch off” (and resorted to auto-pilot) or the awkwardness of the opponent.

I didn’t feel like he was looking for that many opponents or implementing a strategy that was specifically aimed to wear his opponent down. He just seemed to take “time off” during certain rounds.

My evaluation might be a tad harsh, since Joshua is clearly riding a steep learning curve, but I can only express my honest personal opinion, even if it does go against the grain of the masses.

OK, you have not convinced me, but ,thank you !

Nightmare Roy · Post by **Nightmare Roy** » 03 Aug 2017, 09:49

If he stays focused, I can't see him being beaten, his biggest threat has just retired.

Ossyrules · Post by **Ossyrules** » 03 Aug 2017, 10:13

Enlightened-One wrote:
Ossyrules wrote:
Enlightened-One wrote:No fighter is “invincible.”

Anthony Joshua has already demonstrated flaws during his bouts against the likes of Dominic Breazeale, Dillian Whyte & Wladimir Klitschko.
Agree with this except naming breazeale. What flaws did you see?
There were rounds where I felt he coasted. I don’t know if this was due to stamina issues, complacency where he mentally “switch off” (and resorted to auto-pilot) or the awkwardness of the opponent.

I didn’t feel like he was looking for that many opponents or implementing a strategy that was specifically aimed to wear his opponent down. He just seemed to take “time off” during certain rounds.

My evaluation might be a tad harsh, since Joshua is clearly riding a steep learning curve, but I can only express my honest personal opinion, even if it does go against the grain of the masses.

I can't agree the Breazeale fight revealed flaws, perhaps it showed an area he could work on, namely being smarter to open up your opponent, but really that fight was just 7 rounds of beating for breazeale, whose only contribution was that he took his beating much better than those before him

gp. · Post by **gp.** » 03 Aug 2017, 10:30

ValMar wrote:
Ossyrules wrote:
Enlightened-One wrote:No fighter is “invincible.”

Anthony Joshua has already demonstrated flaws during his bouts against the likes of Dominic Breazeale, Dillian Whyte & Wladimir Klitschko.
Agree with this except naming breazeale. What flaws did you see?
I agree with Ossyrules about Breazele.
Flawless boxer does not exist.
FMJ is/was literally invincible, but he has/had some flaws.

I think this is a problem because English is not your native language. You don't mean invincible, you mean unbeaten.

Invincible doesn't simply mean unbeaten, it means impossible to beat. It means that under any circumstances, nobody could possibly beat somebody. That it just cannot happen.

FMJ is not and never has been "literally invincible" and neither is Joshua. Both are unbeaten, not unbeatable.