Can someone make an updated list of ATG 50?

[Jip]

The 50 best boxer ever p4p.

I say updated because some things changed. Floyd & pac are about to finish a phenomenal career. GGG might arguably be a better middleweight than monzon & hagler and some say lomachenko is the best boxer they have ever seen.

When i look at old school p4p ratings from espn or the ring, lots of stuff changed since than. I want to look at an updated list.

I dont want to do a top 50, because as you guys i know more on quality of a boxer than record, but this i want to see a list focused on record, on schievemants, i want to see a list how old school boxing expertmake one.

Can somebody please, top 30 p4p atg would be enough. Top 50 better :-)

[Lackeos]

Basically take an old list, slot Mayweather in at about #25, Pacquiao at about #70, and you're done. Make sure that under absolutely no circumstances do you include Golovkin or Lomachenko. And that will bring you up to date.

[Jip]

Basically take an old list, slot Mayweather in at about #25, Pacquiao at about #70, and you're done. Make sure that under absolutely no circumstances do you include Golovkin or Lomachenko. And that will bring you up to date.

You kidding me? So arguably the best defensive boxer ever, who at his prime had sugar ray leonard kind of skills, who defeated so many champions only gets to 25?

Manny, who climbed around 12 divisions. Defeated so many elite opponents and looked unbeatable in his prime with rarly before seen physical atributes is about 70?

Did hagler and monzon achieve way more than what GGG did?

Loma didnt do enough for top 50. His tecord is too small. He achieved litle. But in terms of being a boxer. I have rarly seen a boxer better than prime loma!

[crusader]

1. RJ
2. GGG
3. Loma
4. Charlo
5. AJ
6. Wlad
7. Spence
8. Rigo
9. Tank
10. O'hara Davies

I think that looks pretty good

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Manny should be in the top 30 or 40. Monzon and Hagler did much more than GGG, even with a Canelo win. The only other recent fighter you could maybe put up there is Roman. The rest is status quo. I don't have a top 50, but I can spit out 10.

1. Langford
2. Greb
3. Robinson
4. Armstrong
5. Charles
6. Duran
7. Moore
8. B Leonard
9. Tunney
10. Canzoneri

[Lackeos]

Basically take an old list, slot Mayweather in at about #25, Pacquiao at about #70, and you're done. Make sure that under absolutely no circumstances do you include Golovkin or Lomachenko. And that will bring you up to date.

You kidding me? So arguably the best defensive boxer ever, who at his prime had sugar ray leonard kind of skills, who defeated so many champions only gets to 25?

Manny, who climbed around 12 divisions. Defeated so many elite opponents and looked unbeatable in his prime with rarly before seen physical atributes is about 70?

Did hagler and monzon achieve way more than what GGG did?

Loma didnt do enough for top 50. His tecord is too small. He achieved litle. But in terms of being a boxer. I have rarly seen a boxer better than prime loma!

Before Mayweather and Pacquiao fought, people were ranking Mayweather at around #40 and Pacquiao at around #50-100. Mayweather won, Pacquiao lost. It's pretty hard to perfectly rank fighters all-time p4p. But I definitely stand by my statement, and I consider it an accurate-ish reflection of the boxing community's opinion as a whole.

[lazboy]

I may as well start this because it will end up a Mayweather PAc sh$% fest anyway given the OP...and it interests me haha I saw Jeff Horn on our TV (Australian) the other night. He was on a game show and was standing next to a woman, anyway....he has a normal sized head, it's not small at all. Pacs head was massive, massive compared to Jeff when they fought. Thats got to be a side effect of steroids, hasn't it? The head isn't meant to grow after adolescence, the only things that continues to grow are ears and the nose. How long has Manny had this massive head?

[Jip]

Manny should be in the top 30 or 40. Monzon and Hagler did much more than GGG, even with a Canelo win. The only other recent fighter you could maybe put up there is Roman. The rest is status quo. I don't have a top 50, but I can spit out 10.

1. Langford
2. Greb
3. Robinson
4. Armstrong
5. Charles
6. Duran
7. Moore
8. B Leonard
9. Tunney
10. Canzoneri

So manny is around 30-40

Where is floyd?

Hagler didnt have many fights but beat hearns & duran. So i can understand somebody saying he did more than ggg. Monzon on the opplsite fought so Mans oppo ents with real bad records. He also fought opponents with good records, so did ggg. Canelo & jacobs are better opponents than the 2 best opponents monzon fought.

Are you serious leaving out louis & ali?

[Lackeos]

Canelo & jacobs are better opponents than the 2 best opponents monzon fought.

Monzon beat Nino Benvenuti x2, Emile Griffith x2, Jose Napoles, and Jean Claude Bouttier x2. The Ring Magazine's outdated 80 Best Fighters of the Last 80 Years had Napoles at #56 and Griffith at #33. Boxrec's much more flawed all-time rankings have Emile at #18, Napoles at #21, and Benvenuti at #103. If anything, I think Monzon is a prime example of a fighter who looks supremely extraordinary on paper. Danny Jacobs was merely a titlist (who put-up a pretty respectable performance against GGG, but that's it). Jacobs has never been ranked in the current top 20 p4p. I don't think Danny Jacobs is top 500 p4p all-time. I also don't think most people would currently rank Saul Alvarez in the top 100 p4p all-time either; and let's not forget that Golovkin has not actually fought Alvarez yet, nor has he beaten Alvarez, so don't act as though Alvarez is already a name on Golovkin's resume, because he's not yet.

[gilgamesh]

1. RJ
2. GGG
3. Loma
4. Charlo
5. AJ
6. Wlad
7. Spence
8. Rigo
9. Tank
10. O'hara Davies

I think that looks pretty good

Seems legit

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Manny should be in the top 30 or 40. Monzon and Hagler did much more than GGG, even with a Canelo win. The only other recent fighter you could maybe put up there is Roman. The rest is status quo. I don't have a top 50, but I can spit out 10.

1. Langford
2. Greb
3. Robinson
4. Armstrong
5. Charles
6. Duran
7. Moore
8. B Leonard
9. Tunney
10. Canzoneri

So manny is around 30-40

Where is floyd?

Hagler didnt have many fights but beat hearns & duran. So i can understand somebody saying he did more than ggg. Monzon on the opplsite fought so Mans oppo ents with real bad records. He also fought opponents with good records, so did ggg. Canelo & jacobs are better opponents than the 2 best opponents monzon fought.

Are you serious leaving out louis & ali?

I'd say Floyd is 15-25.

Hagler had almost 70 fights, that's plenty. Canelo and Jacobs are not better than Griffith, Benvenuti or Valdez.

Yes, Ali and Louis are both just outside my top 10.

[Zulawski]

35 guys who boxed in the 20s and of which no film survives + some 70s heavies + four horseman + whoever you grew up watching

[ClivePatrickLyons]

Manny should be in the top 30 or 40. Monzon and Hagler did much more than GGG, even with a Canelo win. The only other recent fighter you could maybe put up there is Roman. The rest is status quo. I don't have a top 50, but I can spit out 10.

1. Langford
2. Greb
3. Robinson
4. Armstrong
5. Charles
6. Duran
7. Moore
8. B Leonard
9. Tunney
10. Canzoneri

Not a bad list.....i think 6 belong.......not in any order though they are..........1-2-3-4-6-7

[ClivePatrickLyons]

I may as well start this because it will end up a Mayweather PAc sh$% fest anyway given the OP...and it interests me haha I saw Jeff Horn on our TV (Australian) the other night. He was on a game show and was standing next to a woman, anyway....he has a normal sized head, it's not small at all. Pacs head was massive, massive compared to Jeff when they fought. Thats got to be a side effect of steroids, hasn't it? The head isn't meant to grow after adolescence, the only things that continues to grow are ears and the nose. How long has Manny had this massive head?

So that's what wrong with me fuc some one fed me roid's my nicknames 7 head's some would claim

[Boxing Writer]

Manny should be in the top 30 or 40. Monzon and Hagler did much more than GGG, even with a Canelo win. The only other recent fighter you could maybe put up there is Roman. The rest is status quo. I don't have a top 50, but I can spit out 10.

1. Langford
2. Greb
3. Robinson
4. Armstrong
5. Charles
6. Duran
7. Moore
8. B Leonard
9. Tunney
10. Canzoneri

Pretty good list, although I'd exclude Benny Leonard and Tony Canzoneri from top-10 and put there Ali and Louis. Bob Fitzimmons also deserves a metion here. Making top-50 would be incredibly hard, but I'd say 5 fighters of the last 25 years deserve to be in top-50 - Holyfield, Floyd, Manny, Whitaker and Hopkins. Roy Jones Jr. based on abilities - yes, but not based on resume.

[Jip]

Manny should be in the top 30 or 40. Monzon and Hagler did much more than GGG, even with a Canelo win. The only other recent fighter you could maybe put up there is Roman. The rest is status quo. I don't have a top 50, but I can spit out 10.

1. Langford
2. Greb
3. Robinson
4. Armstrong
5. Charles
6. Duran
7. Moore
8. B Leonard
9. Tunney
10. Canzoneri

So manny is around 30-40

Where is floyd?

Hagler didnt have many fights but beat hearns & duran. So i can understand somebody saying he did more than ggg. Monzon on the opplsite fought so Mans oppo ents with real bad records. He also fought opponents with good records, so did ggg. Canelo & jacobs are better opponents than the 2 best opponents monzon fought.

Are you serious leaving out louis & ali?

I'd say Floyd is 15-25.

Hagler had almost 70 fights, that's plenty. Canelo and Jacobs are not better than Griffith, Benvenuti or Valdez.

Yes, Ali and Louis are both just outside my top 10.

I confounded haglers record. Thought he had less fight. Maybe of hus aprubt end after the leonard fight.

[paddy chavez]

it's so objective take greb 30 years ago he was rated around 8/10 in everything i read now many have him no1 ,gene tunney was a bang on top 10 or higher now he isn't rated they high by most . take whitaker he wasn't thought of as a great fighter while active very good but not great now some have him top ten which i find crazy who did he ever beat but now it's trendy to say he was a genius .

[lazboy]

I may as well start this because it will end up a Mayweather PAc sh$% fest anyway given the OP...and it interests me haha I saw Jeff Horn on our TV (Australian) the other night. He was on a game show and was standing next to a woman, anyway....he has a normal sized head, it's not small at all. Pacs head was massive, massive compared to Jeff when they fought. Thats got to be a side effect of steroids, hasn't it? The head isn't meant to grow after adolescence, the only things that continues to grow are ears and the nose. How long has Manny had this massive head?

So that's what wrong with me fuc some one fed me roid's my nicknames 7 head's some would claim

Is this you mate?

[Jip]

it's so objective take greb 30 years ago he was rated around 8/10 in everything i read now many have him no1 ,gene tunney was a bang on top 10 or higher now he isn't rated they high by most . take whitaker he wasn't thought of as a great fighter while active very good but not great now some have him top ten which i find crazy who did he ever beat but now it's trendy to say he was a genius .

Exactly. Its trendy to have some boxers high and it is trendy to have some boxers constantly low.

For example roy jones. He was p4p #1 in the 90s year by year. Beat hopkins, mccallum, toney, hill. Not only did he beat atg, but he beat most of them like they were some regular c level opponents. But fir whatever reason it is untrendy to rate roy high in a p4p atg list. Pernell is trendy to rate him high.

Greb & langford are now trendy to rate in your top 4.

Normaly a top 4 would look like this

1. Robinson
2. Armstrong
3. Ali
4. Louis

But one trend is always the same. Quantity over quality. You are in the top 10 atg when you got 100+ fights.

Leonard didnt have many fights but he sure as hell was a better boxer than 80% who are in the top 10.

Today when a boxer like wilder has many fights but most of them against opponents with bad records than he gets mayor hate for this. The atg greats with 200+ fights records who fought 60 % garbage just paid sparring they get praised for this atg. Make no sense.

[RScarf1]

Willie Pep should be on the list.

[paddy chavez]

Willie Pep should be on the list.

pep was always a top 5 boxer

[Ossyrules]

1. Robinson
2. Armstrong
3. Fitzsimmons
4. Greb
5. Langford
6. Charles
7. Duran
8. Ali
9. Louis
10. Pep

Mayweather cannot be higher than 25, 20 max for me. His career has many questions over it and a lot of smoke and mirrors. Manny Pacquaio is around 50

I agree with whoever said to leave out golovkin and Lomachenko

[Jip]

1. Robinson
2. Armstrong
3. Fitzsimmons
4. Greb
5. Langford
6. Charles
7. Duran
8. Ali
9. Louis
10. Pep

Mayweather cannot be higher than 25, 20 max for me. His career has many questions over it and a lot of smoke and mirrors. Manny Pacquaio is around 50

I agree with whoever said to leave out golovkin and Lomachenko

Can u explain me why duran should be way higher than pac?

Did duran climb over 10 divisions?
Did duran or pac sometimes train poorly and looked out of shape in fights?
Look at durans record. He fought so many oppinents with very bad records. I mean he beat leonard. But just because leonard fought durans fight instead of fighting his fight. Ones he fought his way duran couldnt do nothing. Had floyd brawled with pac, canelo and cotto he wouldve lost 3 times!

Duran is an atg. But the level of disrespect to the bixer of past 20 years is just mindblowing. U all act like jones, pac and floyd are all some okay atg, no, they are not. They are fantastic atg.

[Ossyrules]

1. Robinson
2. Armstrong
3. Fitzsimmons
4. Greb
5. Langford
6. Charles
7. Duran
8. Ali
9. Louis
10. Pep

Mayweather cannot be higher than 25, 20 max for me. His career has many questions over it and a lot of smoke and mirrors. Manny Pacquaio is around 50

I agree with whoever said to leave out golovkin and Lomachenko

Can u explain me why duran should be way higher than pac?

Did duran climb over 10 divisions?
Did duran or pac sometimes train poorly and looked out of shape in fights?
Look at durans record. He fought so many oppinents with very bad records. I mean he beat leonard. But just because leonard fought durans fight instead of fighting his fight. Ones he fought his way duran couldnt do nothing. Had floyd brawled with pac, canelo and cotto he wouldve lost 3 times!

Duran is an atg. But the level of disrespect to the bixer of past 20 years is just mindblowing. U all act like jones, pac and floyd are all some okay atg, no, they are not. They are fantastic atg.

Duran was superior to Pacquaio. It's not disrespect to say Pacquaio is top 50, that's a tremendous achievement, just take a second and think how good someone must be to be pound for pound top 50, all time, with all the great boxers out there.

If Pacquaio met Duran at lightweight jip, you'd see the difference.

Roy i like, he was amazing. As with a lot of modern boxers, achievements are watered down thanks to the governing bodies.

Btw you can't say, yeah Duran beat Leonard but only because Leonard fought his fight. This is boxing history. No ifs or buts, it's what happened. You asked for a top 50, hardly anyone has a top 50, but if you think recent boxers are discredited I suggest you do some research

[Jip]

What did fitzsimmons do to be 3?

He fought 5 debut 0-0 guys as his first 5 fights.

But ali who beat frazier, foreman and liston doesnt make the top 5