Wake The Heck Up People...Floyd Carried Conor! Enough

[jamesmcdonnell]

Look at all of these Pro Conor posts kissing him on his can for his performance in the fight. It amazes me how so many people can watch this fight and not see how much Floyd carried Conor from the opening bell in an effort to make it entertaining and worthwhile for PPV buyers. Floyd barely threw a punch in the first two rounds in an effort to give Conor fans some thrills and reasons to believe. He wanted to convince even the other fans that he's too old and made a bad decision taking this fight. 99% of you all took the bait and you and your drunk buddies started yelling at the TV all excited for the biggest upset in history you thought you were witnessing. Congratulations, Floyd got you again.

Not this guy. It was obvious to me what Floyd was doing and after the first minute of the fight, I knew Floyd could get him out of there any time he wanted. As much as I hate Floyd, he's not only a genius but he's just masterful in the art of boxing...plain and simple. When a 40 year old boxer can get in there with a tough 29 year old SOB like Conor and toy with him so easily that he can create and dictate the narrative of the fight like this, he's got to be a genius. Had Floyd opted to KO him early, the fan reaction around the world would be merciless. Floyd let Conor have his moments and waited until he felt that the fans had enough entertainment and he made it so that both guys won in fans eyes. Genius. How you all can't see that concerns me...wake up!

Hard as it is to admit, i totally agree. Floyd did almost nothing thr first 4 rounds. Hr seened to bd deliberately shortening his punches.

[Tony1244]

Floyd did not carry Conor. He was being cautious and waited for him to tire which was after 8 rounds. That was his game plan. It was strategy, not carrying.

I tend to agree. The truth is somewhere in the middle. He took his time, waited for him to tire.

Maybe he could have stopped him in 3 or 5 rounds, but he didn't have to. Going all out early is risky business. When you get older it takes your body longer to warm up.

Maybe it was a tad of a carry (10%) but it was more biding his time.

You guys are funny. Floyd was far from cautious in this fight. Look at the punch totals in the first 3 rounds and tell me if Floyd was even trying. He kept ushering Conor on to make the fight look closer and inspire fans to thinking that he had a chance. This fight ended up being considered "entertaining" because Floyd let Conor have his shots and kept his hands in his pockets. The fight is widely considered a success and fun now because of the way Floyd carried Conor. Obvious

I don't think you really said anything here that disagrees with the above statements at least not blatantly. Just a matter of degree. It was to make the fight more entertaining but also about an older guy pacing himself. Floyd took the first 3 rounds off to make it more entertaining and for pacing. Moore, Ali, and other greats when they aged took rounds off.

[Ricky_]

"Floyd could have took him out any time he wanted" is another utterly delusional opinion from the entirely delusional fan-base this guy has. He threw his hardest shots at MMA fighter with absolutely nothing in the gas tank in rounds 9 & 10 and he couldn't even put him on the canvas. As if he could have blasted him out round 1 when he was fresh

Funnily enough the last time Floyd even threw a haymaker inside the ring was against an equally defenceless opponent.

[ClivePatrickLyons]

These casuals will expose them self what a joke of a fight it was the closet fight to a scam you will ever witness Connor did good bahahaahahaha at what playing the fool.........but aye so would I for all that $ especially when my biggest payday was chump change compared to boxing mismatch

[HomicideHenry]

There's a monumental difference between strategy and carrying. Floyd said he believed McGregor would tire, then he'd strike. But even before then, he tried taking McGregor's head off. So it wasn't carrying. The gamble paid off. But what a risk, cus what if he had no stamina issues? To give away four rounds, hoping someone would tire?

[Tanzio]

There's a monumental difference between strategy and carrying. Floyd said he believed McGregor would tire, then he'd strike. But even before then, he tried taking McGregor's head off. So it wasn't carrying. The gamble paid off. But what a risk, cus what if he had no stamina issues? To give away four rounds, hoping someone would tire?

FMJ wasn't hoping, just like he wasn't hoping that Pac was injured. The ATG knew that McG would tire.

[seattledirk]

I doubt that Conor ever believed he could beat Floyd. He's way too smart for that. If you earn 40 mio dollars in 2016 as an MMA-fighter, then you have to be incredibly business-savvy cause that's lightyears away from the earnings of any other MMA-fighter ever.

The only reason he wanted the fight was the money involved. Who on these boards wouldn't have signed a fight against Mayweather for a 70 mio dollar paycheck?

Now to the fight:
Floyd didn't throw a single punch for the first 90 seconds of the fight. That should tell you something. He was obviously afraid to accidentally finish the fight so early that people would have rioted due to the rip-off.
When Conor was doing much better than expected early, I seriously believe Floyd's post-fight statement that he was honestly surprised how much better Conor was than he had expected.
That said, it became blatantly obvious soon that Floyd was in full control of the fight and pretty much decided how and when it was gonna end.

Doesn't change one bit though that Conor did indeed look much better than you could realistically hope for. What did people expect? It was his first pro-boxing fight and that against the best ever. Kellerman thought that Conor wouldn't land a single punch and not much more was expected on these boards.
I also don't believe that Floyd voluntarily got hit 110+ times, more than in most of his fights. Regardless of the impact of most punches, a 40 year-old boxer can't take punches as well as a younger boxer.

So yes, of course Floyd carried Conor. But that's only half of the story. Conor also did better than expected and hit Floyd more often that Floyd would have liked to get hit. That's the bottom line!

PS: One thing is for sure: Conor did better against Floyd in boxing than Floyd would have done against Conor in MMA.
That one would have went down like Couture vs. Toney: https://youtu.be/3QIYYd-v8jI?t=30s

[caldo2025]

"Floyd could have took him out any time he wanted" is another utterly delusional opinion from the entirely delusional fan-base this guy has. He threw his hardest shots at MMA fighter with absolutely nothing in the gas tank in rounds 9 & 10 and he couldn't even put him on the canvas. As if he could have blasted him out round 1 when he was fresh

Funnily enough the last time Floyd even threw a haymaker inside the ring was against an equally defenceless opponent.

I am normally on your side with the anti Floyd rhetoric but i can't after this fight. Now you just look like butt hurt little girl who got her heart broken in 7th grade and he's now going out with your best friend. Out of nowhere and without any demand, Floyd created a crazy fight like this that will net him record setting money and made it entertaining. That's genius. I still hate the man but this whole idea was incredible.

[Ricky_]

"Floyd could have took him out any time he wanted" is another utterly delusional opinion from the entirely delusional fan-base this guy has. He threw his hardest shots at MMA fighter with absolutely nothing in the gas tank in rounds 9 & 10 and he couldn't even put him on the canvas. As if he could have blasted him out round 1 when he was fresh

Funnily enough the last time Floyd even threw a haymaker inside the ring was against an equally defenceless opponent.

I am normally on your side with the anti Floyd rhetoric but i can't after this fight. Now you just look like butt hurt little girl who got her heart broken in 7th grade and he's now going out with your best friend. Out of nowhere and without any demand, Floyd created a crazy fight like this that will net him record setting money and made it entertaining. That's genius. I still hate the man but this whole idea was incredible.

What's there to disagree with? There is absolutely ZERO evidence to support Floyd could have ended McGregor in 1.

[caldo2025]

"Floyd could have took him out any time he wanted" is another utterly delusional opinion from the entirely delusional fan-base this guy has. He threw his hardest shots at MMA fighter with absolutely nothing in the gas tank in rounds 9 & 10 and he couldn't even put him on the canvas. As if he could have blasted him out round 1 when he was fresh

Funnily enough the last time Floyd even threw a haymaker inside the ring was against an equally defenceless opponent.

I am normally on your side with the anti Floyd rhetoric but i can't after this fight. Now you just look like butt hurt little girl who got her heart broken in 7th grade and he's now going out with your best friend. Out of nowhere and without any demand, Floyd created a crazy fight like this that will net him record setting money and made it entertaining. That's genius. I still hate the man but this whole idea was incredible.

What's there to disagree with? There is absolutely ZERO evidence to support Floyd could have ended McGregor in 1.

There are two kinds of people that watched that fight last Saturday. The simple minded people that fell for Floyd pretending to struggle with Conor and the smarter ones who knew that Floyd was like a kid with a magnifying glass ready to kill some ants at any time.

[Enlightened-One]

Caldo is right about this!

[Ricky_]

I am normally on your side with the anti Floyd rhetoric but i can't after this fight. Now you just look like butt hurt little girl who got her heart broken in 7th grade and he's now going out with your best friend. Out of nowhere and without any demand, Floyd created a crazy fight like this that will net him record setting money and made it entertaining. That's genius. I still hate the man but this whole idea was incredible.

What's there to disagree with? There is absolutely ZERO evidence to support Floyd could have ended McGregor in 1.

There are two kinds of people that watched that fight last Saturday. The simple minded people that fell for Floyd pretending to struggle with Conor and the smarter ones who knew that Floyd was like a kid with a magnifying glass ready to kill some ants at any time.

Yes, Floyd Mayweather, the most defensive world champion in the history of pugulism, deliberately allowed a rank novice to uppercut his bald head and jab it at will, for 3 rounds.


Flomo's are the most deluded fans in boxing.

[Covfefe]

What's there to disagree with? There is absolutely ZERO evidence to support Floyd could have ended McGregor in 1.

There are two kinds of people that watched that fight last Saturday. The simple minded people that fell for Floyd pretending to struggle with Conor and the smarter ones who knew that Floyd was like a kid with a magnifying glass ready to kill some ants at any time.

Yes, Floyd Mayweather, the most defensive world champion in the history of pugulism, deliberately allowed a rank novice to uppercut his bald head and jab it at will, for 3 rounds.

Flomo's are the most deluded fans in boxing.

What do you make of the way Mayweather fought him? He's not walked someone down like that for years, Conor was coming forward too offering Mayweather his usual defensive pot shotting style but he didn't fight like that. Why? Some of the best boxers of this generation couldn't stop him fighting that way, but Conor could?

[Ricky_]

There are two kinds of people that watched that fight last Saturday. The simple minded people that fell for Floyd pretending to struggle with Conor and the smarter ones who knew that Floyd was like a kid with a magnifying glass ready to kill some ants at any time.

Yes, Floyd Mayweather, the most defensive world champion in the history of pugulism, deliberately allowed a rank novice to uppercut his bald head and jab it at will, for 3 rounds.

Flomo's are the most deluded fans in boxing.

What do you make of the way Mayweather fought him? He's not walked someone down like that for years, Conor was coming forward too offering Mayweather his usual defensive pot shotting style but he didn't fight like that. Why? Some of the best boxers of this generation couldn't stop him fighting that way, but Conor could?

What do i make of it? I think it's the first time Floyd's actually decided to engage in a fight since Gatti (although Cotto kind of made him). It's amazing that Floyd fighting offensively now equates to him "carrying" someone. IF he fought his usual way, he would have been on his bike and pot-shotted a debutant for a performance even more embarrasing than Berto. This idea he could have just blasted McGregor out in 1 or 2 rounds is pie in the sky - Floyd has never hurt a heavier man, with the exception of a sucker punch.

[Badhusker]

I agree that FMJ could have taken McG out from the fifth on, and it is likely that he would have won a firefight in the first couple of rounds, especially if Conor had succeeded in buzzing him. But that is more risk than FMJ is willing to take.

It was a glorified sparring exhibition, but the vast majority of FMJ's professional "fights" have been the same. He gets to retire with a stoppage and a massive payday.

If I had purchased the ppv I would have received value for my money. It was a very interesting sparring exhibition.

Pretty much says it all. No need to read any more into it.

[Covfefe]

Yes, Floyd Mayweather, the most defensive world champion in the history of pugulism, deliberately allowed a rank novice to uppercut his bald head and jab it at will, for 3 rounds.

Flomo's are the most deluded fans in boxing.

What do you make of the way Mayweather fought him? He's not walked someone down like that for years, Conor was coming forward too offering Mayweather his usual defensive pot shotting style but he didn't fight like that. Why? Some of the best boxers of this generation couldn't stop him fighting that way, but Conor could?

What do i make of it? I think it's the first time Floyd's actually decided to engage in a fight since Gatti (although Cotto kind of made him). It's amazing that Floyd fighting offensively now equates to him "carrying" someone. IF he fought his usual way, he would have been on his bike and pot-shotted a debutant for a performance even more embarrasing than Berto. This idea he could have just blasted McGregor out in 1 or 2 rounds is pie in the sky - Floyd has never hurt a heavier man, with the exception of a sucker punch.

He hurt Conor several times, an I don't think he could have stopped him in 1 or 2, but from four or maybe five onwards he could have ended if he'd have turned it up at any time. The only reason Conor had any success was because Mayweather didn't fight defensively, he's made better punchers miss more but he didn't engage those tactics, the only reason for that is Mayweather nothing Conor did was spectacular or anything he'd never seen before. Those uppercuts are laughable too, didn't even snap his head back, the lack of power from the huge puncher McGregor was stark.

[Ossyrules]

Ricky Floyd carried Conor. It was the easiest fight of his career. Open your eyes

[brilo33]

caldo it wont be the first time or the last , that is the game it is the blood theatre entertainment,i was entertained i enjoyed it ,but with that kind of cash about,it was probably more rehearsed than strictly come dancing , i grew up with wwf , but back to normal boxing , i say normal as it aint real either , were watching being entertained remember that ,but there still top athletes and sports mens no matter what

[imaioral]

There are some cases of boxers who stayed long periods without fighting and/or retired, who had superb comebacks, sometimes coming amazingly well, sometimes rusty.

- After 4 straight losses, being the last against David Diaz, Erik Morales retired and came back after almost 3 years and won relatively easily vs Jose Alfaro (at almost 35 years old) and almost became world champion again in a few years.

- When Larry Homes came out of a retirement of almost 2 years to face Mike Tyson (in 1989, then at 39) and he was as rusty as Mayweather facing McGregor, but in that case he lost. Then he stayed away from ring from another almost 3,5 years, came back and won all until face undefeated-undisputed Evander Holyfield in 92 (at 44 years of age at the time) and losing for very close points.

- George Foreman is an example of somebody who stayed 10 years retired (after losing to Jimmy Young) and came back (at the time, 38 years old) winning 24 straight bouts in almost 4 years (half were average quality opponents) to then face, at the time and with 42 years old, the undisputed-undefeated Evander Holyfield in his prime and lose on close points.

- Benny Leonard is a big of a case of retired boxer (January 15, 1925) who (even winning his last fight) came back after 7 years (by then 35 years old) and won all of his 20 subsequent bouts in 2 years, until his last, whom he lost by TKO.

- Vitali Klitschko, even after winning Danny Williams in 04 (at 34), stayed away for nearly 4 years, coming back in 08 (at 38) and becoming world champion again in 1 year without any loss and retiring not losing again.


* - Mayweather was like Mosley when he came out of retirement to face Ricardo Mayorga in 2015, with 44 years of age at the time of the fight.


I don't change the opinion that Mayweather was rusty (30% of him, not because he didn't want it, because he couldn't do more than it), for somebody who always impressed for having superb reflexes, reaction time, dodging, counter-punching, using combination and etc (as an example vs Ruan Manuel Marques and Saul Alvarez). As I said before, I like and follow Mayweather since his fight vs Genaro Hernandez. But in this case, against the facts, there are no arguments, we all saw that and must accept that McGregor did ok for the much worse that we all imagined/expected and Mayweather the strategically ok to win.

So I think that ppl should cry less, it is a question of who trained more than the other, the age and inactivity weights, but one can revert or slow it down if trains hard, conditioning the body, skills and mind well.

[caldo2025]

Ricky Floyd carried Conor. It was the easiest fight of his career. Open your eyes

Blind hatred is what i call it. I have always hated Floyd but as a fight fan, you can't question his attributes and abilities inside the ring. He's the most talented boxer i've witnessed and guys like Ricky are just simply haters.

[Ricky_]

Ricky Floyd carried Conor. It was the easiest fight of his career. Open your eyes

Blind hatred is what i call it. I have always hated Floyd but as a fight fan, you can't question his attributes and abilities inside the ring. He's the most talented boxer i've witnessed and guys like Ricky are just simply haters.

Yawn. You have nothing to back up the claim Floyd 'carried' McGregor.

You are a conspiracy theorist.

[Ossyrules]

Ricky Floyd carried Conor. It was the easiest fight of his career. Open your eyes

Blind hatred is what i call it. I have always hated Floyd but as a fight fan, you can't question his attributes and abilities inside the ring. He's the most talented boxer i've witnessed and guys like Ricky are just simply haters.

Yawn. You have nothing to back up the claim Floyd 'carried' McGregor.

You are a conspiracy theorist.

I have my eyes Ricky, and for sure I'm not the only one who saw this and drew this conclusion.

Caldo, I'm also not a Floyd fan, used to be but the more his career went on, the less I liked. I am big mcgregor fan as a personality and think he's brilliant in the UFC. But at boxing I can't be biased for him, he was poor

[caldo2025]

Blind hatred is what i call it. I have always hated Floyd but as a fight fan, you can't question his attributes and abilities inside the ring. He's the most talented boxer i've witnessed and guys like Ricky are just simply haters.

Yawn. You have nothing to back up the claim Floyd 'carried' McGregor.

You are a conspiracy theorist.

I have my eyes Ricky, and for sure I'm not the only one who saw this and drew this conclusion.

Caldo, I'm also not a Floyd fan, used to be but the more his career went on, the less I liked. I am big mcgregor fan as a personality and think he's brilliant in the UFC. But at boxing I can't be biased for him, he was poor

You are in the minority with your opinion about CM's efforts though. To a man, most people were impressed with what they saw from CM in the fight. Myself included even if i do feel like Floyd let him hang around and toyed with him. I do wish that CM's Team focused a little more on landing one big shot and loading up on punches than instead focusing on quantity of love taps. But both guys walked out of the ring with their pride unbroken and fans support which was a surprise to me. I thought one of the guys would have his legacy hurt as a result of this but nope. It was a great night for both fighters.

Ricky, what do you need a signed affidavit from Floyd? I'll work on it for you. Watch it again and focus on the punch totals. Most noteworthy, look at how many unanswered punches Conor gets to throw at the best counterpuncher in history without having anything coming back at him. Use your brain dude. The guy was 0-0. He looked it too.

[Ricky_]

Yawn. You have nothing to back up the claim Floyd 'carried' McGregor.

You are a conspiracy theorist.

I have my eyes Ricky, and for sure I'm not the only one who saw this and drew this conclusion.

Caldo, I'm also not a Floyd fan, used to be but the more his career went on, the less I liked. I am big mcgregor fan as a personality and think he's brilliant in the UFC. But at boxing I can't be biased for him, he was poor

You are in the minority with your opinion about CM's efforts though. To a man, most people were impressed with what they saw from CM in the fight. Myself included even if i do feel like Floyd let him hang around and toyed with him. I do wish that CM's Team focused a little more on landing one big shot and loading up on punches than instead focusing on quantity of love taps. But both guys walked out of the ring with their pride unbroken and fans support which was a surprise to me. I thought one of the guys would have his legacy hurt as a result of this but nope. It was a great night for both fighters.

Ricky, what do you need a signed affidavit from Floyd? I'll work on it for you. Watch it again and focus on the punch totals. Most noteworthy, look at how many unanswered punches Conor gets to throw at the best counterpuncher in history without having anything coming back at him. Use your brain dude. The guy was 0-0. He looked it too.

Floyd let him punch himself out - knowing his arms aren't conditioned for 12 rounds of boxing. That is not the same as "carrying" someone. This idea Floyd could have went toe-to-toe with a bigger fresher younger man and got the job done in 1 or 2 rounds cannot be serious.

[jessica91]

Floyd didn't carry him. That doesn't mean it wasn't an easy fight, or wasn't always in control, but no way could he have stopped him any quicker.

Obviously put Conor in with a younger, more aggressive fighter and he struggles to last a couple of rounds. Hoping the experiment is done and there aren't anymore of these match up trying to jump on the bandwagon