Does anyone think that Canelo won?

[JCS]

Sorry I pissed on your rescore.

It's OK. I'll get over it eventually.

[amwsnw]

Had GGG 115 - 113 but could see a draw. Couldnt see Canelo winning.

[armageto]

I rewatched the fight again, came up with the same score card 116-112 G3. I think it's clear he won rounds 2, 3, and 12, on most cards I'd assume.

Now to reach a draw, I guess 1, 10, 11, you could possibly give Canelo. You'd really have to be really stretching it to give him all those rounds. I only gave him one of them. So, even if you had pro-Canelo glasses on, there is zero way you could think he won. I talked to somebody today that had it 116-112 for Alvarez. When I asked how he came to that card, all the reasons he gave were past logical reasoning.

[Enlightened-One]

I watched the fight live, in a drunken stupor with friends, so I didn't score each round and was briefly distracted at times.

My gut instinct told me that Canelo did well during the early and late stages of the contest, with GGG gaining the winning momentum during the middle rounds.

I didn't agree with the scoring of the Box-Nation commentators for at least two rounds, so I had the bout very close, with perhaps Golovkin shading it by a small margin.

Some rounds were very hard to score, since it depended on personal stylistic preference, such as workrate and aggression versus a skilful defence and sporadic eye-catching punch combinations.

It seemed impossible for me to award more than eight rounds to either fighter.

So it wouldn't surprise me if there were a few people that thought that Canelo deserved to win.

However, it didn't surprise me to read Chris Mannix published a tweet stating that the vast majority of the media scored the bout either as a draw or gave it to GGG by a two point margin.

[candyslim]

Lots of distraction and lots of alcohol can make fights very difficult to score. I watched it stone cold sober, alone (since my wife was enjoying a Sunday lie-in), and with the benefit of a Russian commentary so I could not be influenced by what was being said.

I had no pre-conceived idea who was going to win. I had no preference as to who was going to win.

I found it so one-sided as to be a little dull but I didn't take my eyes of it. I am frankly amazed anyone could find for Canelo. I might give Senora Alvarez a pass but beyond that ...

[Ossyrules]

OK... so I watched the fight again, this time, the Top Rank broadcast.

I tried to watch with an open mind... I tried to consider the outside influences (crowd), varying trains of thought... what have you.. and I can conclude the following:
Anyone who claims this was an easy fight to score is either biased toward one of the fighters, or fcking crazy.

Let's start with the rounds that I thought had an undeniable winner, the very few:

2,3 - Alvarez
6,7 - Golovkin

That's it. Golovkin probably had the most dominant RD in the fight (7).

The remainder of the rounds, I think you're stuck between how you weight punching (Alvarez) and ring generalship (Golovkin). In pretty much the remainder of the rounds, Alvarez fought intelligently and in furious bursts.. because he got gassed... he was landing the cleaner, flashier punches.... and you have Golovkin, scoring points based on ring generalship, with him not landing a great deal of clean *effective* punches. Yes, he landed plenty of jabs... which outweigh nothingness, but not much else.

The remainder..

1*,10,11,12 - Alvarez
4,5,8,9 - Golovkin

I included 9, only because of the massive right that Canelo landed about halfway through. Also, I'd classify 1 as a swing round... so close, it was basically 50/50. Given everything I said, only the WHOLE, you can certainly say Golovkin perhaps had a slight, slight overall edge on the fight.. maybe a 55/45 type of edge, in my opinion.

Having said all this, I obviously had the fight a draw. If I wussed out and scored the first even, I'd have had Golovkin 115-114.

Now, if you give all my surefire Alvarez rounds AND all the close rounds, you can end up with a Byrdish 118-110. I still can't understand how she gave Alvarez the 6th.. but hey, different strokes.

There weren't many rounds where someone was beaten from pillar to post and there were no way the round could go to the battered fighter, but the rounds golovkin should have been picking up were still clear rounds. 1 punch or 1 flurry doesn't make a round while your opponent is pushing you round, sticking his jab in your face and peppering you for the other 2-2.30mins.

The fight wasn't completely one sided but the winner was clear

[IKSRTFO]

I don't understand the criticism being directed at GGG and the comments that he "showed his age". GGG chased Canelo 3 minutes of every round and his pressure picked up every round. I was very surprised at Canelo's movement. He backed up every second of every one of the first 9 rounds. He picked up pace in 10th and that was the first round I gave him since the 3rd round and it was the last I gave him.

GGG fought a great fight and beat him way easier than I thought he would. Not one of Canelos punches had any effect on GGG. Canelo belongs at 154 tops unless he fights in Vegas. In Vegas he might as well fight heavyweight because he can't lose a decision there. Disgusting.

GGG "showed his age" yet, Canelo was the one who couldn't fight more than a minute per round.

[Kilsby]

I watched the fight for the first time today - After reading this thread I had a pre-conceived opinion that GGG had been robbed, but I actually though Canelo won. 116-112.

The first round was very even but I like to call a winner in rounds and not sit on the fence so went for Canelo. Rounds 2 & 3 I also scored for Canelo.

After 6 rounds I had it 4-2 to Canelo. This isn't outlandish & the American commentators also mentioned they had it 4-2 after 6.

GGG did press forward but didn't seem to do much when doing so - he missed lots of shots & took counters - or do we score ineffective pressure now? Where was his plan B?

I also scored rounds 10 & 12 clearly for Canelo. The other rounds were all close & I scored them 2 a piece.

116-112 Canelo

[Stuarty]

GGG won clearly, canelo was largely nullified. Rematch, GGG kicks his arse.

I had GGG a clear winner but I'm not sure how a rematch will play out. Canelo fought out with my expectations.

[jezzamundo]

[quote="JCS"]OK... so I watched the fight again, this time, the Top Rank broadcast.

I tried to watch with an open mind... I tried to consider the outside influences (crowd), varying trains of thought... what have you.. and I can conclude the following:
[b]Anyone who claims this was an easy fight to score is either biased toward one of the fighters, or fcking crazy.[/b]

Let's start with the rounds that I thought had an undeniable winner, the very few:

2,3 - Alvarez
6,7 - Golovkin

That's it. Golovkin probably had the most dominant RD in the fight (7).

The remainder of the rounds, I think you're stuck between how you weight punching (Alvarez) and ring generalship (Golovkin). In pretty much the remainder of the rounds, Alvarez fought intelligently and in furious bursts.. because he got gassed... he was landing the cleaner, flashier punches.... and you have Golovkin, scoring points based on ring generalship, with him not landing a great deal of clean *effective* punches. Yes, he landed plenty of jabs... which outweigh nothingness, but not much else.

The remainder..

1*,10,11,12 - Alvarez
4,5,8,9 - Golovkin

I included 9, only because of the massive right that Canelo landed about halfway through. Also, I'd classify 1 as a swing round... so close, it was basically 50/50. Given everything I said, only the WHOLE, you can certainly say Golovkin perhaps had a slight, slight overall edge on the fight.. maybe a 55/45 type of edge, in my opinion.

Having said all this, I obviously had the fight a draw. If I wussed out and scored the first even, I'd have had Golovkin 115-114.

Now, if you give all my surefire Alvarez rounds AND all the close rounds, you can end up with a Byrdish 118-110. I still can't understand how she gave Alvarez the 6th.. but hey, different strokes.[/quote]

I like these kind of posts, even if I disagree with your score (I had it 116-112 both times I watched the fight). I disagree with you on these rounds:

1 - close but clear to GGG
3 - close to Canelo
4 - clear to GGG
5 - clear to GGG
9 - clear to GGG
12 - clear to Canelo

[IronFrost]

I think that one scoreboard was just pathetic . But those two others were pretty good and this fight was realy close.

I had Canelo winning first 3 rounds and also i think he won last 2-3 rounds.


So i think that 7-5 or 6-6 is pretty fair scoring.

I know that Canelo was tired and Golovkin started dominating but those first 3 rounds count too - those are 3 points


Also i think that Golovkin missed lot of punches . I saw Canelo landing better punches but he always gassed out and Golovkin stoled those rounds.

[IKSRTFO]

I think that one scoreboard was just pathetic . But those two others were pretty good and this fight was realy close.

I had Canelo winning first 3 rounds and also i think he won last 2-3 rounds.


So i think that 7-5 or 6-6 is pretty fair scoring.

I know that Canelo was tired and Golovkin started dominating but those first 3 rounds count too - those are 3 points


Also i think that Golovkin missed lot of punches . I saw Canelo landing better punches but he always gassed out and Golovkin stoled those rounds.

It's not like Canelo dominated all of the first three and final three rounds nor did he even win those 6 clearly. GGG is the champion and Canelo was being given the benefit of the doubt in every close round.

[Ruthless-RKO]

I think that one scoreboard was just pathetic . But those two others were pretty good and this fight was realy close.

I had Canelo winning first 3 rounds and also i think he won last 2-3 rounds.


So i think that 7-5 or 6-6 is pretty fair scoring.

I know that Canelo was tired and Golovkin started dominating but those first 3 rounds count too - those are 3 points


Also i think that Golovkin missed lot of punches . I saw Canelo landing better punches but he always gassed out and Golovkin stoled those rounds.

Even then, you Canelo didn't win the first 3 rounds clearly. GGG could've taken round 1 or 3 easily.

[Ossyrules]

I think that one scoreboard was just pathetic . But those two others were pretty good and this fight was realy close.

I had Canelo winning first 3 rounds and also i think he won last 2-3 rounds.


So i think that 7-5 or 6-6 is pretty fair scoring.

I know that Canelo was tired and Golovkin started dominating but those first 3 rounds count too - those are 3 points


Also i think that Golovkin missed lot of punches . I saw Canelo landing better punches but he always gassed out and Golovkin stoled those rounds.

It's not like Canelo dominated all of the first three and final three rounds nor did he even win those 6 clearly. GGG is the champion and Canelo was being given the benefit of the doubt in every close round.

[boxing_rocks]

I had Canelo winning first 3 rounds and also i think he won last 2-3 rounds.

You either can't score or are not objective.

[JCS]

I had Canelo winning first 3 rounds and also i think he won last 2-3 rounds.

You either can't score or are not objective.

Thought the same as Mr. Frost... so thanks!

[jezzamundo]

I had Canelo winning first 3 rounds and also i think he won last 2-3 rounds.

You either can't score or are not objective.

Thought the same as Mr. Frost... so thanks!

Rounds 1, 3, 10 and 11 could all be given to GGG. I thought he edged the 1st and 10th, 11th was just about an even round, Canelo edged the 3rd.

[Ginn7]

I think this bout makes a case for 15 rounds. Many times those last 3 round were the championship ones that really brought out who was the true winner. Call me an old timer, and I know that it will never come back but some fights need that "overtime." GGG should have won that fight, was it robbery? Canelo winning would have been. Consider this, the re-match will net both fighters a very healthy pay check and we will be entertained with another great fight with each fighter vowing to "take it out of the judges hands." Seem like a WIN-WIN to me, nobody getting robbed least of all the fighters here! The bout was great and much needed after the Mayweather "spectacle." Who doesn't want to see these two go at it again?

[SaadOffTheDeck]

It's kind of an oxymoron to be old school and think that fight was great.

[diddy]

GGG CLEARLY won Round 4-9. Thats 6 rounds. At WORST he gets a draw. So you're telling me Canelo won 1-3 and 10-12? NO. WAY. Many of those rounds were close. Rounds 4-9 werent close.

Total robbery.

[boxing_rocks]

https://twitter.com/BadouJack/status/909606261989163008

[Ricky_]

Shut up brut.

[gilgamesh]

The draw scorecard becomes questionable because Don Trella gave the 7th round to Canelo. No way Canelo won the 7th round. Wasn't even close.

[paddy chavez]

The draw scorecard becomes questionable because Don Trella gave the 7th round to Canelo. No way Canelo won the 7th round. Wasn't even close.

Wasn't that when canelo started to wilt and look tired ,a clear Golovkin rd

[Tony1244]

Almost all the rounds were close. Canelo fought off the ropes too much and even though he slipped a few punches on the ropes and landed a few of his own, it din't look good. I think a draw is fine.