Fightnews names Vasyl Lomachenko Fighter of the Year

[Freedom2013]

Where is weakness in his record?

I am not crtiquing Nomassiah. I am laughing at FreeTheGroundhogs2013’s argument for Nomassiah’s record over Duran’s.

It was just a response to someone using Duran to discredit Loma.

Are you still using living things for target practice, Tanzio? Do you realize that makes you a psychopath?

[Tanzio]

Where is weakness in his record?

I am not crtiquing Nomassiah. I am laughing at FreeTheGroundhogs2013’s argument for Nomassiah’s record over Duran’s.

It was just a response to someone using Duran to discredit Loma.

Are you still using living things for target practice, Tanzio? Do you realize that makes you a psychopath?

Right, FreeTheGroundhogs2013, as opposed to a bigoted paranoid white Canuck who feels perpetually persecuted.

[prime]

@ Freedom Will you be criticizing Loma for not achieving what Duran has done too? Loma started at a higher weight, has the same height and reach as Duran. He should have no trouble winning a middleweight title at age 37 if he is as good as you think he is. He should also be able to get over 100 wins.

I don't think Loma will achieve half of what Duran has.

In some ways, he has already achieved more. He was the outstanding boxer in the 2008 Olympics and won two gold medals. He probably has the best amateur record of all time. He's won world titles in two weight divisions with fewer pro fights than anyone in history.

He started in the pros much later than Duran, and Arum was only getting him two fights a year for several years, so he will never reach 100 pro wins. But neither did Mayweather and many others.

Very Well said Freedom!

[Badhusker]

@ Freedom Will you be criticizing Loma for not achieving what Duran has done too? Loma started at a higher weight, has the same height and reach as Duran. He should have no trouble winning a middleweight title at age 37 if he is as good as you think he is. He should also be able to get over 100 wins.

I don't think Loma will achieve half of what Duran has.

In some ways, he has already achieved more. He was the outstanding boxer in the 2008 Olympics and won two gold medals. He probably has the best amateur record of all time. He's won world titles in two weight divisions with fewer pro fights than anyone in history.

He started in the pros much later than Duran, and Arum was only getting him two fights a year for several years, so he will never reach 100 pro wins. But neither did Mayweather and many others.

Are you fornicating kidding me? He will never achieve more. Comparing amateurs to the pros is laughable. The reason Duran doesn't have an extensive amateur record is he turned pro at a very young age, like Pacquiao.

[Badhusker]

@ Freedom Will you be criticizing Loma for not achieving what Duran has done too? Loma started at a higher weight, has the same height and reach as Duran. He should have no trouble winning a middleweight title at age 37 if he is as good as you think he is. He should also be able to get over 100 wins.

I don't think Loma will achieve half of what Duran has.

In some ways, he has already achieved more. He was the outstanding boxer in the 2008 Olympics and won two gold medals. He probably has the best amateur record of all time. He's won world titles in two weight divisions with fewer pro fights than anyone in history.

He started in the pros much later than Duran, and Arum was only getting him two fights a year for several years, so he will never reach 100 pro wins. But neither did Mayweather and many others.

Are you effing kidding me? He will never achieve more. Comparing amateurs to the pros is laughable. The reason Duran doesn't have an extensive amateur record is he turned pro at a very young age, like Pacquiao.

How about we just forget about getting to the 100 win mark. If Loma gets a middleweight championship I'll admit he is as good as Duran. Remember...same height and same reach.

[Freedom2013]

How about we just forget about getting to the 100 win mark. If Loma gets a middleweight championship I'll admit he is as good as Duran. Remember...same height and same reach.

Mayweather is taller with a longer reach than either, and started in a higher weight division. Yet he couldn't win a middleweight belt.

Duran's winning a middleweight title at age 37 was an incredible achievement for such a small man.

[Mexi-Box]

Eh, I can't see Crawford getting it. Really, his best win is Diaz who is a nobody in the p4p spectrum. Joshua beat an aged Klitschko and barely beat him unlike Tyson Fury.

It's between Lomachenko, Srisaket Sor Rungvisai, and GGG. GGG would be hands-down if he got the official win over Canelo. He beat his p4p contemporary and the #1 MW in Jacobs. Outside of that, Sor Rungvisai is the only real choice.

Melindo is a good shout out. He's on a hell of a win spree, but those wins aren't as significant as GGG beating Canelo and nowhere near Rungvisai upsetting Chocolatito twice.

[boxing_rocks]

If Mayweather wanted, he could have gotten a MW belt from somebody like Geale, Sturm or Soliman.

Loma is smaller and started his pro career as a mature man, so he won't naturally gain good muscle mass to become a MW. Being small even at 147, he could still get a WW belt against an analog of Rios or even Vargas. If ageing is not too harsh on him, he could beat somebody like Danny or Porter.

[SenorPipino]

I don't worship Lomachenko.

The mindless hype based on relatively few performances is something so typical in this 'Flavor of the Month' era.

But actually, Lomachenko's tricky movement and decent enough speed is exactly the recipe to give a 135 lb. Duran fits.

But as of now, it's unlikely that Lomachenko has the needed professional grit to deal with a Duran over 12 or 15 rounds.

Yes, it was several years back, but Salido, a very, very poor man's Duran, used pressure and toughness to upend Lomachenko.

You would have to figure that Duran had the kind of rugged, power punching but also disciplined style which would eventually break down Lomachenko.

[Kalan]

Lomachenko was robbed against Salido and you know it Pipino

Lomachenko had only 1 professional fight and Salido lost his title for being well overweight and making no effort to make weight... Salido hit Loma with more than 50 low blows and a corrupt referee and judges simply robbed him...

With only 2 professional fights Lomachenko was then matched with Gary Russell for the title Salido lost when he fought Lomacheko.... Russell was probably the 2nd best Featherweight in the world at that time and much better than Salido... Loma beat Russell very easily but was awarded a majority decision because Lisa Giampa tried her ass off to give it to Russell.... Even Russell couldn't believe one judge had it a draw... "Lomachenko beat me."

Since that near miss he's been totally dominant... You don't even get a look... After Duran won he first World Title he promptly lost his next fight to Estaban De Jesus in a legitimate defeat... Also Lomachenko never said "No Mas" and quit because somebody was too slick and clever for him.

But good try....matching the greatest Lightweight of all time with Lomachenko... It still wouldn't be enough.

[Badhusker]

Lomachenko was robbed against Salido and you know it Pipino

Lomachenko had only 1 professional fight and Salido lost his title for being well overweight and making no effort to make weight... Salido hit Loma with more than 50 low blows and a corrupt referee and judges simply robbed him...

With only 2 professional fights Lomachenko was then matched with Gary Russell for the title Salido lost when he fought Lomacheko.... Russell was probably the 2nd best Featherweight in the world at that time and much better than Salido... Loma beat Russell very easily but was awarded a majority decision because Lisa Giampa tried her ass off to give it to Russell.... Even Russell couldn't believe one judge had it a draw... "Lomachenko beat me."

Since that near miss he's been totally dominant... You don't even get a look... After Duran won he first World Title he promptly lost his next fight to Estaban De Jesus in a legitimate defeat... Also Lomachenko never said "No Mas" and quit because somebody was too slick and clever for him.

But good try....matching the greatest Lightweight of all time with Lomachenko... It still wouldn't be enough.

Some of the crap that comes out of you is hilarious. Imagine Loma, after about 70 fights, or 12 years as a pro, (take your pick) take on arguably one of the top welters of all time, jumping up two weights. Everyone brings up the weight advantage Salido had, which was not a factor. What Duran did kind of reminds me of what JMM tried to do with Floyd. Loma has a long way to go to even get to JMM's level of accomplishments. I really doubt if Loma would have beaten Pac in his prime.

Put Loma right now against someone like Crawford or Spence, who isn't as good as SRL was at the time imo. Loma would get KO'd by either guy. If he didn't get KO'd he may wish he had.

Right now, mentioning Lomachenko and Duran in the same sentence is an insult to Duran.

[boxing_rocks]

Lomachenko was robbed against Salido and you know it Pipino

Lomachenko had only 1 professional fight and Salido lost his title for being well overweight and making no effort to make weight... Salido hit Loma with more than 50 low blows and a corrupt referee and judges simply robbed him...

With only 2 professional fights Lomachenko was then matched with Gary Russell for the title Salido lost when he fought Lomacheko.... Russell was probably the 2nd best Featherweight in the world at that time and much better than Salido... Loma beat Russell very easily but was awarded a majority decision because Lisa Giampa tried her ass off to give it to Russell.... Even Russell couldn't believe one judge had it a draw... "Lomachenko beat me."

Since that near miss he's been totally dominant... You don't even get a look... After Duran won he first World Title he promptly lost his next fight to Estaban De Jesus in a legitimate defeat... Also Lomachenko never said "No Mas" and quit because somebody was too slick and clever for him.

But good try....matching the greatest Lightweight of all time with Lomachenko... It still wouldn't be enough.

Some of the crap that comes out of you is hilarious. Imagine Loma, after about 70 fights, or 12 years as a pro, (take your pick) take on arguably one of the top welters of all time, jumping up two weights. Everyone brings up the weight advantage Salido had, which was not a factor. What Duran did kind of reminds me of what JMM tried to do with Floyd. Loma has a long way to go to even get to JMM's level of accomplishments. I really doubt if Loma would have beaten Pac in his prime.

Put Loma right now against someone like Crawford or Spence, who isn't as good as SRL was at the time imo. Loma would get KO'd by either guy. If he didn't get KO'd he may wish he had.

Right now, mentioning Lomachenko and Duran in the same sentence is an insult to Duran.

Right now, yes, but if you give Loma 3 years to gradually gain muscle and get adjusted to new weight classes, he would be competitive with Crawford or Spence.

[Best Coast]

Lomachenko was robbed against Salido and you know it Pipino

Lomachenko had only 1 professional fight and Salido lost his title for being well overweight and making no effort to make weight... Salido hit Loma with more than 50 low blows and a corrupt referee and judges simply robbed him...

With only 2 professional fights Lomachenko was then matched with Gary Russell for the title Salido lost when he fought Lomacheko.... Russell was probably the 2nd best Featherweight in the world at that time and much better than Salido... Loma beat Russell very easily but was awarded a majority decision because Lisa Giampa tried her ass off to give it to Russell.... Even Russell couldn't believe one judge had it a draw... "Lomachenko beat me."

Since that near miss he's been totally dominant... You don't even get a look... After Duran won he first World Title he promptly lost his next fight to Estaban De Jesus in a legitimate defeat... Also Lomachenko never said "No Mas" and quit because somebody was too slick and clever for him.

But good try....matching the greatest Lightweight of all time with Lomachenko... It still wouldn't be enough.

Some of the crap that comes out of you is hilarious. Imagine Loma, after about 70 fights, or 12 years as a pro, (take your pick) take on arguably one of the top welters of all time, jumping up two weights. Everyone brings up the weight advantage Salido had, which was not a factor. What Duran did kind of reminds me of what JMM tried to do with Floyd. Loma has a long way to go to even get to JMM's level of accomplishments. I really doubt if Loma would have beaten Pac in his prime.

Put Loma right now against someone like Crawford or Spence, who isn't as good as SRL was at the time imo. Loma would get KO'd by either guy. If he didn't get KO'd he may wish he had.

Right now, mentioning Lomachenko and Duran in the same sentence is an insult to Duran.

Absolutely right...dont be surprised if Loma-mania proclaims him #1 All-Time P4P by the time he is 15-1 with 3 world title belts.

[Best Coast]

Sorry Loma. I dont often agree with ESPN on much, but they got it right on this one...Terence Crawford is only the third undisputed world champ in the four-belt era!!

http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/2 ... ear-honors

It is the second nod for Crawford, who also won it in 2014, when most major outlets, as well as the Boxing Writers Association of America, honored him for going on the road to Scotland to win a lightweight world title from Ricky Burns in dominant fashion before making two strong defenses against Yuriorkis Gamboa and Raymundo Beltran. Crawford eventually moved up to junior welterweight and unified two belts in 2016 before his big 2017.

[jamamb]

all hail abc titles

craw had a good year no doubt but going the 'he had this many titles' angles is strange because he only won two of them in 2017. does a big part of him getting the nod come from his collection of abc straps in other years? thats bizarre.

his year in reality was tkos over diaz and indongo. thats a good year and arguable foty (more so than loma imo) but lol at the belts getting it for him.

[Best Coast]

Where is weakness in his record?

I am not crtiquing Nomassiah. I am laughing at FreeTheGroundhogs2013’s argument for Nomassiah’s record over Duran’s.

It was just a response to someone using Duran to discredit Loma.

Are you still using living things for target practice, Tanzio? Do you realize that makes you a psychopath?

Funny to see a well-documented racist calling someone else a psychopath!! You clearly said you were going to stop posting at Current Scene after your boy Kovalev was shafted by the "racist conspiracy of American boxing"!!

[dWd]

VL beats 2 ordinary fighters and a talented but aging ( and vastly undersized) boxer, and it's enough to cop the prestigious FOY award.

Hell, back in 1997, De La Hoya beat FIVE very talented fighters (Miguel Angel Gonzalez, Sweet Pea Whitaker, David Kamau, Macho Camacho and Wilfredo Rivera) and it still wasn't deemed good enough to win FOY.

Holyfield won it with just 2 wins---Mike Tyson in the Bite Fight and the rematch with Moorer. But at least those were victories over ex-heavyweight champs.

Lomachenko's year seems pretty pedestrian in comparison. It pays to have the ESPN hype machine in your corner.

Totaliy agree, Loma could be the best ever but he hasn't had to get out of first gear yet, when he fights someone like mikey garcia we'll know a lot more about how good he really is.

[Impractical Poster]

I agree with Fightnews.

As do I.

X3

[greg]

..what I think is remarkable is how deep some boxing fans have to dig going all the way to the last century..hell, even to the last millenium to prove how undeserving of this prize Lomachenko is..

Loma is the man