Big Fight in Vegas vs. Big Fight in Europe -Why is Vegas more profitable for fighters?
Big Fight in Vegas vs. Big Fight in Europe -Why is Vegas more profitable for fighters?
Here's what I don't understand about Boxing economics: Everyone says that Vegas is where you make the most money on a big fight. People say that AJ could make much more if he staged these fights in Vegas instead of England. But how? I don't get it.
In England, AJ's been selling 70-80k tickets for recent fights. From what I understand and I could be wrong but Europeans wanting to view the AJ/Parker bout from home could do so only by purchasing via PPV subscription. That's a ton of tickets sold and a ton of PPV buys.
In Vegas, AJ vs. Parker wouldn't have sold half as many tickets and the fight would not be a PPV event. American's would it get it free with our premium cable channels and European's would most likely still have to pay PPV dollars for it. Where's all this money coming from exactly? I don't see it.
In the equation above, how could people argue that more money would have been made if the fight was staged in Vegas? I don't get it. I'm not aware of tax ramifications between the two but common sense to me says that there's way more money in doing AJ's fights exactly how Hearn has been doing them...in England packing people to the rafters.
What am i missing because people say that i couldn't be more wrong.
In England, AJ's been selling 70-80k tickets for recent fights. From what I understand and I could be wrong but Europeans wanting to view the AJ/Parker bout from home could do so only by purchasing via PPV subscription. That's a ton of tickets sold and a ton of PPV buys.
In Vegas, AJ vs. Parker wouldn't have sold half as many tickets and the fight would not be a PPV event. American's would it get it free with our premium cable channels and European's would most likely still have to pay PPV dollars for it. Where's all this money coming from exactly? I don't see it.
In the equation above, how could people argue that more money would have been made if the fight was staged in Vegas? I don't get it. I'm not aware of tax ramifications between the two but common sense to me says that there's way more money in doing AJ's fights exactly how Hearn has been doing them...in England packing people to the rafters.
What am i missing because people say that i couldn't be more wrong.
Re: Big Fight in Vegas vs. Big Fight in Europe -Why is Vegas more profitable for fighters?
i think the idea is that vegas locations pay big money to get fights, with the idea to attract ppl to the casinos
it depends on the fight though, certainly not everything makes more in vegas
it depends on the fight though, certainly not everything makes more in vegas
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Deleted_Scenes
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Re: Big Fight in Vegas vs. Big Fight in Europe -Why is Vegas more profitable for fighters?
Casinos pay huge money for tickets, which they then hand out to high rollers (who naturally pay for those tickets many times over via the tables and slots).
It means a fight drawing 15k in Vegas will actually make a much higher gate than a fight drawing 90k at Wembley.
Then you've also got American PPV. 1m buys at $70+, is obviously a lot more money than 1m buys at £20. That obviously depends on being a big draw in America. It doesn't quite work for AJ vs Wilder, as that fight would do over 1.5m buys in the UK, but probably wouldn't top 300k in America due to neither fighter being popular there. So, it makes sense to stage that one at a time that suits UK PPV audiences - which means the venue won't be Vegas.
I'm not a tax expert, but I don't think it would make a difference to Joshua. As I understand it, as a UK resident, he'd have to pay tax on his earnings to HMRC, regardless of where he actually earned his money. Of course, a fancy accountant could probably do something clever/sneaky.
It means a fight drawing 15k in Vegas will actually make a much higher gate than a fight drawing 90k at Wembley.
Then you've also got American PPV. 1m buys at $70+, is obviously a lot more money than 1m buys at £20. That obviously depends on being a big draw in America. It doesn't quite work for AJ vs Wilder, as that fight would do over 1.5m buys in the UK, but probably wouldn't top 300k in America due to neither fighter being popular there. So, it makes sense to stage that one at a time that suits UK PPV audiences - which means the venue won't be Vegas.
I'm not a tax expert, but I don't think it would make a difference to Joshua. As I understand it, as a UK resident, he'd have to pay tax on his earnings to HMRC, regardless of where he actually earned his money. Of course, a fancy accountant could probably do something clever/sneaky.
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Re: Big Fight in Vegas vs. Big Fight in Europe -Why is Vegas more profitable for fighters?
According to the Nevada State Athletic Commission, the Canelo-GGG super-fight at the T-Mobile Arena generated £20m from 17,318 tickets sold.
The Joshua-Klitschko bout, which attracted a sell-out 90K crowd, generated £8m.
The Joshua-Klitschko bout, which attracted a sell-out 90K crowd, generated £8m.
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Re: Big Fight in Vegas vs. Big Fight in Europe -Why is Vegas more profitable for fighters?
That sounds about right. Also, although they were once in a blue moon type events, Mayweather vs Pacquiao generated over £50m, and Mayweather vs McGregor around £40m, from the live gate. Those numbers just aren't possible in a UK stadium, however big a fight is.Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 08:01 According to the Nevada State Athletic Commission, the Canelo-GGG super-fight at the T-Mobile Arena generated £20m from 17,318 tickets sold.
The Joshua-Klitschko bout, which attracted a sell-out 90K crowd, generated £8m.
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Re: Big Fight in Vegas vs. Big Fight in Europe -Why is Vegas more profitable for fighters?
For the Joshua-Klitschko bout, for most vendors, the cheapest ticket was selling at £110, with the most expensive available for £990.Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 08:20That sounds about right. Also, although they were once in a blue moon type events, Mayweather vs Pacquiao generated over £50m, and Mayweather vs McGregor around £40m, from the live gate. Those numbers just aren't possible in a UK stadium, however big a fight is.Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 08:01 According to the Nevada State Athletic Commission, the Canelo-GGG super-fight at the T-Mobile Arena generated £20m from 17,318 tickets sold.
The Joshua-Klitschko bout, which attracted a sell-out 90K crowd, generated £8m.
The original sale prices of the seats for the GGG-Canelo bout ranged from £225 to £3,750.
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That would make the average in Vegas $1153 and London £88 per ticket.
My I was in the cheap seats for GGG v Canelo and paid more than that but it sounds too little for any Wembley boxing event.
My I was in the cheap seats for GGG v Canelo and paid more than that but it sounds too little for any Wembley boxing event.
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Re: Big Fight in Vegas vs. Big Fight in Europe -Why is Vegas more profitable for fighters?
With Wembley, and most big events in UK, the lowest tiers are still cheap, no matter how big or small the fight is.
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dagilechia
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Re: Big Fight in Vegas vs. Big Fight in Europe -Why is Vegas more profitable for fighters?
it was a ppv only in UK, the rest of countries always watch such a fights free, i watched it free on Polish public tv online stream, which worked outside of Poland (at least in Spain), and maybe in UK toocaldo2025 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 07:13 Here's what I don't understand about Boxing economics: Everyone says that Vegas is where you make the most money on a big fight. People say that AJ could make much more if he staged these fights in Vegas instead of England. But how? I don't get it.
In England, AJ's been selling 70-80k tickets for recent fights. From what I understand and I could be wrong but Europeans wanting to view the AJ/Parker bout from home could do so only by purchasing via PPV subscription. That's a ton of tickets sold and a ton of PPV buys.
In Vegas, AJ vs. Parker wouldn't have sold half as many tickets and the fight would not be a PPV event. American's would it get it free with our premium cable channels and European's would most likely still have to pay PPV dollars for it. Where's all this money coming from exactly? I don't see it.
In the equation above, how could people argue that more money would have been made if the fight was staged in Vegas? I don't get it. I'm not aware of tax ramifications between the two but common sense to me says that there's way more money in doing AJ's fights exactly how Hearn has been doing them...in England packing people to the rafters.
What am i missing because people say that i couldn't be more wrong.
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Best Coast
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Re: Big Fight in Vegas vs. Big Fight in Europe -Why is Vegas more profitable for fighters?
Unless AJ was fighting Wilder I dont think he would sell out T-Mobile or MGM Grand, but the main benefit Joshua gets from fighting anyone else in Vegas is exposure to casual American fans (who still dont know him much) and global fans as well.Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 08:20That sounds about right. Also, although they were once in a blue moon type events, Mayweather vs Pacquiao generated over £50m, and Mayweather vs McGregor around £40m, from the live gate. Those numbers just aren't possible in a UK stadium, however big a fight is.Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 08:01 According to the Nevada State Athletic Commission, the Canelo-GGG super-fight at the T-Mobile Arena generated £20m from 17,318 tickets sold.
The Joshua-Klitschko bout, which attracted a sell-out 90K crowd, generated £8m.
Despite the recent resurgence of NYC boxing (with Barclay's joining MSG as a major venue) Las Vegas is STILL the global epicenter of pro boxing. It has been ever since Tyson made the move from NYC to Vegas in mid-1080s.
So if money is AJ's concern he's better off staying in UK until the Wilder fight, but he claims to want name recognition in the US so I expect him to have a fight or two in Vegas before he faces Wilder (which could be in UK anyway).
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Re: Big Fight in Vegas vs. Big Fight in Europe -Why is Vegas more profitable for fighters?
The only reason a foreign fighter, or one who is not part of the in crowd, would fight in Vegas with all its crooked judges, refs, etc. is money and only money. LV is a criminal enterprise, founded in the Mohave desert by organized crime, namely Bugsy Siegel and Meyer Lansky. Its only raison d'etre (that means reason for its existence) is to fleece the suckers and get their money. Lots of money there.
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Re: Big Fight in Vegas vs. Big Fight in Europe -Why is Vegas more profitable for fighters?
If you read my previous post, I did say Joshua would be financially better off staying in the UK.Best Coast wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 19:21Unless AJ was fighting Wilder I dont think he would sell out T-Mobile or MGM Grand, but the main benefit Joshua gets from fighting anyone else in Vegas is exposure to casual American fans (who still dont know him much) and global fans as well.Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 08:20That sounds about right. Also, although they were once in a blue moon type events, Mayweather vs Pacquiao generated over £50m, and Mayweather vs McGregor around £40m, from the live gate. Those numbers just aren't possible in a UK stadium, however big a fight is.Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 08:01 According to the Nevada State Athletic Commission, the Canelo-GGG super-fight at the T-Mobile Arena generated £20m from 17,318 tickets sold.
The Joshua-Klitschko bout, which attracted a sell-out 90K crowd, generated £8m.
Despite the recent resurgence of NYC boxing (with Barclay's joining MSG as a major venue) Las Vegas is STILL the global epicenter of pro boxing. It has been ever since Tyson made the move from NYC to Vegas in mid-1080s.
So if money is AJ's concern he's better off staying in UK until the Wilder fight, but he claims to want name recognition in the US so I expect him to have a fight or two in Vegas before he faces Wilder (which could be in UK anyway).
As far as his US exposure goes, I think that is far more likely to mean a couple of fights in NYC, not Vegas. The smaller time difference with the UK means it could be staged at midnight/1am UK time (to maximise UK PPV revenue), without having to be any earlier than 7 or 8pm local time in the US.
I reckon Hearn might put the Povetkin fight there in late June/July.
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Re: Big Fight in Vegas vs. Big Fight in Europe -Why is Vegas more profitable for fighters?
I didnt read your earlier post, but you're right, a NYC fight for AJ would be much more fan-friendly for the home crowd in the UK. But I seem to remember AJ saying something a while back about specifically wanting to fight in Vegas in the future. Correct me if I'm wrong on that one...Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑25 Apr 2018, 01:28If you read my previous post, I did say Joshua would be financially better off staying in the UK.Best Coast wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 19:21Unless AJ was fighting Wilder I dont think he would sell out T-Mobile or MGM Grand, but the main benefit Joshua gets from fighting anyone else in Vegas is exposure to casual American fans (who still dont know him much) and global fans as well.Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 08:20
That sounds about right. Also, although they were once in a blue moon type events, Mayweather vs Pacquiao generated over £50m, and Mayweather vs McGregor around £40m, from the live gate. Those numbers just aren't possible in a UK stadium, however big a fight is.
Despite the recent resurgence of NYC boxing (with Barclay's joining MSG as a major venue) Las Vegas is STILL the global epicenter of pro boxing. It has been ever since Tyson made the move from NYC to Vegas in mid-1080s.
So if money is AJ's concern he's better off staying in UK until the Wilder fight, but he claims to want name recognition in the US so I expect him to have a fight or two in Vegas before he faces Wilder (which could be in UK anyway).
As far as his US exposure goes, I think that is far more likely to mean a couple of fights in NYC, not Vegas. The smaller time difference with the UK means it could be staged at midnight/1am UK time (to maximise UK PPV revenue), without having to be any earlier than 7 or 8pm local time in the US.
I reckon Hearn might put the Povetkin fight there in late June/July.
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Re: Big Fight in Vegas vs. Big Fight in Europe -Why is Vegas more profitable for fighters?
He has said that, yes, but after he beat Parker he also said UK fans have had to travel too much in the past, so he wants to make anyone who wants to fight him come to the UK. Who knows...Best Coast wrote: ↑25 Apr 2018, 02:27I didnt read your earlier post, but you're right, a NYC fight for AJ would be much more fan-friendly for the home crowd in the UK. But I seem to remember AJ saying something a while back about specifically wanting to fight in Vegas in the future. Correct me if I'm wrong on that one...Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑25 Apr 2018, 01:28If you read my previous post, I did say Joshua would be financially better off staying in the UK.Best Coast wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 19:21
Unless AJ was fighting Wilder I dont think he would sell out T-Mobile or MGM Grand, but the main benefit Joshua gets from fighting anyone else in Vegas is exposure to casual American fans (who still dont know him much) and global fans as well.
Despite the recent resurgence of NYC boxing (with Barclay's joining MSG as a major venue) Las Vegas is STILL the global epicenter of pro boxing. It has been ever since Tyson made the move from NYC to Vegas in mid-1080s.
So if money is AJ's concern he's better off staying in UK until the Wilder fight, but he claims to want name recognition in the US so I expect him to have a fight or two in Vegas before he faces Wilder (which could be in UK anyway).
As far as his US exposure goes, I think that is far more likely to mean a couple of fights in NYC, not Vegas. The smaller time difference with the UK means it could be staged at midnight/1am UK time (to maximise UK PPV revenue), without having to be any earlier than 7 or 8pm local time in the US.
I reckon Hearn might put the Povetkin fight there in late June/July.
I imagine Eddie's spreadsheets will make the decision for him.
Re: Big Fight in Vegas vs. Big Fight in Europe -Why is Vegas more profitable for fighters?
I hate to agree with you but i have to. When it comes down to a tough decision, as an American, i always have to look at who has the richest promoter. That's where the decision is going to go in Vegas. Sure there's been bad decisions in England but for the most part, you don't have the head scratching decisions that Vegas produces each year. Like the draw that was scored by one judge for Canelo against Mayweather. That's nothing but filthy theft. I'd LOVE for the sport to move bouts to more evenly contested climates and NYC is an option but the meddling with these ringside doctors, understandable as it is, are way too involved in the action.x2x wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 23:55 The only reason a foreign fighter, or one who is not part of the in crowd, would fight in Vegas with all its crooked judges, refs, etc. is money and only money. LV is a criminal enterprise, founded in the Mohave desert by organized crime, namely Bugsy Siegel and Meyer Lansky. Its only raison d'etre (that means reason for its existence) is to fleece the suckers and get their money. Lots of money there.
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Thanks for the reply. I was assuming because i was in Italy for Brook vs. Spence and I had to pay for it so I assumed it was the norm across the pond to be paying something for any of those big fights. Thanks for the info.dagilechia wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 13:16it was a ppv only in UK, the rest of countries always watch such a fights free, i watched it free on Polish public tv online stream, which worked outside of Poland (at least in Spain), and maybe in UK toocaldo2025 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 07:13 Here's what I don't understand about Boxing economics: Everyone says that Vegas is where you make the most money on a big fight. People say that AJ could make much more if he staged these fights in Vegas instead of England. But how? I don't get it.
In England, AJ's been selling 70-80k tickets for recent fights. From what I understand and I could be wrong but Europeans wanting to view the AJ/Parker bout from home could do so only by purchasing via PPV subscription. That's a ton of tickets sold and a ton of PPV buys.
In Vegas, AJ vs. Parker wouldn't have sold half as many tickets and the fight would not be a PPV event. American's would it get it free with our premium cable channels and European's would most likely still have to pay PPV dollars for it. Where's all this money coming from exactly? I don't see it.
In the equation above, how could people argue that more money would have been made if the fight was staged in Vegas? I don't get it. I'm not aware of tax ramifications between the two but common sense to me says that there's way more money in doing AJ's fights exactly how Hearn has been doing them...in England packing people to the rafters.
What am i missing because people say that i couldn't be more wrong.
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Re: Big Fight in Vegas vs. Big Fight in Europe -Why is Vegas more profitable for fighters?
i guess this Italian ppv for Brook vs Spence was kind of cheap online ppv? i think they do that when the fight is not on tvcaldo2025 wrote: ↑25 Apr 2018, 15:43Thanks for the reply. I was assuming because i was in Italy for Brook vs. Spence and I had to pay for it so I assumed it was the norm across the pond to be paying something for any of those big fights. Thanks for the info.dagilechia wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 13:16it was a ppv only in UK, the rest of countries always watch such a fights free, i watched it free on Polish public tv online stream, which worked outside of Poland (at least in Spain), and maybe in UK toocaldo2025 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 07:13 Here's what I don't understand about Boxing economics: Everyone says that Vegas is where you make the most money on a big fight. People say that AJ could make much more if he staged these fights in Vegas instead of England. But how? I don't get it.
In England, AJ's been selling 70-80k tickets for recent fights. From what I understand and I could be wrong but Europeans wanting to view the AJ/Parker bout from home could do so only by purchasing via PPV subscription. That's a ton of tickets sold and a ton of PPV buys.
In Vegas, AJ vs. Parker wouldn't have sold half as many tickets and the fight would not be a PPV event. American's would it get it free with our premium cable channels and European's would most likely still have to pay PPV dollars for it. Where's all this money coming from exactly? I don't see it.
In the equation above, how could people argue that more money would have been made if the fight was staged in Vegas? I don't get it. I'm not aware of tax ramifications between the two but common sense to me says that there's way more money in doing AJ's fights exactly how Hearn has been doing them...in England packing people to the rafters.
What am i missing because people say that i couldn't be more wrong.
i watched this fight for free on Polish channel Polsat Sport, there been never a ppv for any fight that didnt featured a Polish fighter, with Mayweather McGregor being the exception
i think that ppv killed boxing in the USA, fighters are overpaid and unknown, therefore there is no interest in boxing. when i hear about numbers of how much people watched a fight in the USA i always think hell, it's such a small number for a country of about 330 million people. a country that is the Mecca of Boxing. a lot of fights does not even surpass the 1 million viewers. for example in Poland, a country of 38 not 330 million people, Joshua-Parker was watched by >540k people on tv and about 250k online on official stream of Polish public televions ,and people are still complaining that ''boxing is dying''. i expect Sulecki-Jacobs to be watched by about 1 million people in Poland despite the fact it's late at night/almost morning, but at least it will be showed on the biggest public channel, to which everyone got access. ppv is killing boxing, is killing popularity of boxing and fighters, it just makes fighters and promoters overpaid
on example of Poland, how ppv is killing boxing and its popularity, Klitschko Adamek was the first ppv in Poland and still the best selling boxing ppv here. it was bought by 200k viewers. if it was shown on an open channel it could average 3-4 million viewers i think. ppv for Glowacki vs Usyk was bought by just about 100k people, probably less, Glowacki is still relatively unknown in Poland. Wlodarczyk-Chakhkiev was in ppv in Poland too (while in Russia not), it was a great fight, someone who is not into boxing could see it and think ''wow, what a fight, boxing is entertaining'' but less than 100k bought the ppv, and people who buy ppv are usually into boxing anyway, so it somehow blocks the wave of possible new followers of boxing
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Re: Big Fight in Vegas vs. Big Fight in Europe -Why is Vegas more profitable for fighters?
Good point. $pread$heet$ are always a key factor.Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑25 Apr 2018, 07:11He has said that, yes, but after he beat Parker he also said UK fans have had to travel too much in the past, so he wants to make anyone who wants to fight him come to the UK. Who knows...Best Coast wrote: ↑25 Apr 2018, 02:27I didnt read your earlier post, but you're right, a NYC fight for AJ would be much more fan-friendly for the home crowd in the UK. But I seem to remember AJ saying something a while back about specifically wanting to fight in Vegas in the future. Correct me if I'm wrong on that one...Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑25 Apr 2018, 01:28
If you read my previous post, I did say Joshua would be financially better off staying in the UK.
As far as his US exposure goes, I think that is far more likely to mean a couple of fights in NYC, not Vegas. The smaller time difference with the UK means it could be staged at midnight/1am UK time (to maximise UK PPV revenue), without having to be any earlier than 7 or 8pm local time in the US.
I reckon Hearn might put the Povetkin fight there in late June/July.
I imagine Eddie's spreadsheets will make the decision for him.
Re: Big Fight in Vegas vs. Big Fight in Europe -Why is Vegas more profitable for fighters?
AJ is doing around 1.5m PPV buys in the U.K. at too when his fight starts at 22:00
That’s another £25m on top of gate sales.
Here’s the reported breakdown of revenue for the Wlad fight
1.5 million pay-per-views at £16.95, generating £25.4m
£4m from German TV company RTL (Editor’s note: RTL is Klitschko’s television partner)
£1.5m from US TV (Editor’s note: The bout will air on either HBO or Showtime, but not on PPV in the US)
£8m in gate receipts from a record 90,000 crowd
£1m from sponsorship
£1m from rest of the world TV rights
£1m from merchandising
That’s another £25m on top of gate sales.
Here’s the reported breakdown of revenue for the Wlad fight
1.5 million pay-per-views at £16.95, generating £25.4m
£4m from German TV company RTL (Editor’s note: RTL is Klitschko’s television partner)
£1.5m from US TV (Editor’s note: The bout will air on either HBO or Showtime, but not on PPV in the US)
£8m in gate receipts from a record 90,000 crowd
£1m from sponsorship
£1m from rest of the world TV rights
£1m from merchandising
Re: Big Fight in Vegas vs. Big Fight in Europe -Why is Vegas more profitable for fighters?
*and Wales.caldo2025 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 07:13 In England, AJ's been selling 70-80k tickets for recent fights. From what I understand and I could be wrong but Europeans wanting to view the AJ/Parker bout from home could do so only by purchasing via PPV subscription. That's a ton of tickets sold and a ton of PPV buys.
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That was a very interesting perspective, thank you. I don't agree that PPV is killing Boxing in America though. From my perspective here, we don't have very many PPV cards so I don't mind paying it for the best matchups of the year as long as the free cards are entertaining. They really have been so I've been extremely happy with the amount of boxing entertainment I've paid for the last 2 years. So much better than then Floyd years and his underwhelming bouts that never were a good value. The fight sucked and their undercards where garbage. I like what they are doing in Boxing right now for sure and the sport is way stronger than most people think. I hate that Boxing is dying stuff. It's so wrong.dagilechia wrote: ↑25 Apr 2018, 19:36i guess this Italian ppv for Brook vs Spence was kind of cheap online ppv? i think they do that when the fight is not on tvcaldo2025 wrote: ↑25 Apr 2018, 15:43Thanks for the reply. I was assuming because i was in Italy for Brook vs. Spence and I had to pay for it so I assumed it was the norm across the pond to be paying something for any of those big fights. Thanks for the info.dagilechia wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 13:16
it was a ppv only in UK, the rest of countries always watch such a fights free, i watched it free on Polish public tv online stream, which worked outside of Poland (at least in Spain), and maybe in UK too
i watched this fight for free on Polish channel Polsat Sport, there been never a ppv for any fight that didnt featured a Polish fighter, with Mayweather McGregor being the exception
i think that ppv killed boxing in the USA, fighters are overpaid and unknown, therefore there is no interest in boxing. when i hear about numbers of how much people watched a fight in the USA i always think hell, it's such a small number for a country of about 330 million people. a country that is the Mecca of Boxing. a lot of fights does not even surpass the 1 million viewers. for example in Poland, a country of 38 not 330 million people, Joshua-Parker was watched by >540k people on tv and about 250k online on official stream of Polish public televions ,and people are still complaining that ''boxing is dying''. i expect Sulecki-Jacobs to be watched by about 1 million people in Poland despite the fact it's late at night/almost morning, but at least it will be showed on the biggest public channel, to which everyone got access. ppv is killing boxing, is killing popularity of boxing and fighters, it just makes fighters and promoters overpaid
on example of Poland, how ppv is killing boxing and its popularity, Klitschko Adamek was the first ppv in Poland and still the best selling boxing ppv here. it was bought by 200k viewers. if it was shown on an open channel it could average 3-4 million viewers i think. ppv for Glowacki vs Usyk was bought by just about 100k people, probably less, Glowacki is still relatively unknown in Poland. Wlodarczyk-Chakhkiev was in ppv in Poland too (while in Russia not), it was a great fight, someone who is not into boxing could see it and think ''wow, what a fight, boxing is entertaining'' but less than 100k bought the ppv, and people who buy ppv are usually into boxing anyway, so it somehow blocks the wave of possible new followers of boxing
Re: Big Fight in Vegas vs. Big Fight in Europe -Why is Vegas more profitable for fighters?
Vegas always trumps any other location in the world because if yoU have a big fight in vegas, on top of the 25k capacity attendance gate at tmobile arena, PPV money and sponsorships, Vegas actually pays you additional money just so you have the fight in Vegas. This is because big fights bring in a lot of people into their casinos, but most importantly high rollers who can bust a a mill in one night at their casinos.
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Re: Big Fight in Vegas vs. Big Fight in Europe -Why is Vegas more profitable for fighters?
I hate to have you agree with me but i also have to. No place is as bad as Vegas, but New York is in the running - and the "meddling with these ringside doctors" - i know what you are talking about - is understandable all right, same as the bs in Vegas is understandable. I know what the little rascals are up to. I understand it.caldo2025 wrote: ↑25 Apr 2018, 15:41I hate to agree with you but i have to. When it comes down to a tough decision, as an American, i always have to look at who has the richest promoter. That's where the decision is going to go in Vegas. Sure there's been bad decisions in England but for the most part, you don't have the head scratching decisions that Vegas produces each year. Like the draw that was scored by one judge for Canelo against Mayweather. That's nothing but filthy theft. I'd LOVE for the sport to move bouts to more evenly contested climates and NYC is an option but the meddling with these ringside doctors, understandable as it is, are way too involved in the action.x2x wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 23:55 The only reason a foreign fighter, or one who is not part of the in crowd, would fight in Vegas with all its crooked judges, refs, etc. is money and only money. LV is a criminal enterprise, founded in the Mohave desert by organized crime, namely Bugsy Siegel and Meyer Lansky. Its only raison d'etre (that means reason for its existence) is to fleece the suckers and get their money. Lots of money there.
The primitive violence of boxing attracts the underworld, plus boxing is the easiest sport to fix. Nuff said.
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Re: Big Fight in Vegas vs. Big Fight in Europe -Why is Vegas more profitable for fighters?
It's no coincidence that 9 of the top 10 (and 10 of the top 12) best-selling PPVs have been held in Vegas:caldo2025 wrote: ↑26 Apr 2018, 08:11That was a very interesting perspective, thank you. I don't agree that PPV is killing Boxing in America though. From my perspective here, we don't have very many PPV cards so I don't mind paying it for the best matchups of the year as long as the free cards are entertaining. They really have been so I've been extremely happy with the amount of boxing entertainment I've paid for the last 2 years. So much better than then Floyd years and his underwhelming bouts that never were a good value. The fight sucked and their undercards where garbage. I like what they are doing in Boxing right now for sure and the sport is way stronger than most people think. I hate that Boxing is dying stuff. It's so wrong.dagilechia wrote: ↑25 Apr 2018, 19:36i guess this Italian ppv for Brook vs Spence was kind of cheap online ppv? i think they do that when the fight is not on tv
i watched this fight for free on Polish channel Polsat Sport, there been never a ppv for any fight that didnt featured a Polish fighter, with Mayweather McGregor being the exception
i think that ppv killed boxing in the USA, fighters are overpaid and unknown, therefore there is no interest in boxing. when i hear about numbers of how much people watched a fight in the USA i always think hell, it's such a small number for a country of about 330 million people. a country that is the Mecca of Boxing. a lot of fights does not even surpass the 1 million viewers. for example in Poland, a country of 38 not 330 million people, Joshua-Parker was watched by >540k people on tv and about 250k online on official stream of Polish public televions ,and people are still complaining that ''boxing is dying''. i expect Sulecki-Jacobs to be watched by about 1 million people in Poland despite the fact it's late at night/almost morning, but at least it will be showed on the biggest public channel, to which everyone got access. ppv is killing boxing, is killing popularity of boxing and fighters, it just makes fighters and promoters overpaid
on example of Poland, how ppv is killing boxing and its popularity, Klitschko Adamek was the first ppv in Poland and still the best selling boxing ppv here. it was bought by 200k viewers. if it was shown on an open channel it could average 3-4 million viewers i think. ppv for Glowacki vs Usyk was bought by just about 100k people, probably less, Glowacki is still relatively unknown in Poland. Wlodarczyk-Chakhkiev was in ppv in Poland too (while in Russia not), it was a great fight, someone who is not into boxing could see it and think ''wow, what a fight, boxing is entertaining'' but less than 100k bought the ppv, and people who buy ppv are usually into boxing anyway, so it somehow blocks the wave of possible new followers of boxing
(Mayweather-McGregor has since taken over #2 spot and pushed Holyfield-Foreman down to #11)
https://www.totalsportek.com/money/high ... all-times/
#........FIGHT..........................................................................PPV BUYS.....PPV REVENUE
1 Mayweather vs Pacquiao (May 2015) 4,600,000 $410 million
2 Mayweather vs Canelo Alvarez (September 2013) 2,200,000 $150 million
3 Mayweather vs Oscar De La Hoya (May 2007) 2,480,000 $136 million
4 Mike Tyson vs Evander Holyfield II (June 1997) 1,990,000 $100.2 million
5 Mike Tyson vs Lennox Lewis (June 2002) 1,950,000 $112 million
6 Mike Tyson vs Evander Holyfield I (November 1996) 1,590,000 $77.9 million
7 Mike Tyson vs Peter McNeeley (August 1995) 1,550,000 $96 million
8 Mayweather vs Shane Mosely (May 2010) 1,400,000 $94 million
9 Oscar De La Hoya vs Felix Trinidad (September 1999) 1,400,000 $64 million
10 Evander Holyfield vs George Foreman (April 1991) 1,400,000 $80 million
11 Manny Pacquiao vs Juan Manuel Marquez III (November 2011) 1,250,000 $75 million