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[pugilisticspecialist]

If WIlder KO's Fury in the first round, what will Wilder's rating score be afterwards?

[computerrank]

If WIlder KO's Fury in the first round, what will Wilder's rating score be afterwards?

464 points

[computerrank]

so does this system punish ambitious guys who will fight the #2, then several of the next best guys the same year ? it doesnt rate them any higher then if they just beat the #2? is that right?

if that is true, it is especially out of place in a historically shallow division like cruiser, where a few high level wins really goes a long way for a fighters standing

Boxers were much more busy in former times - so they would be strongly preferred.

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rank|division            |boxer_id|name                               |  r_old|  r_new

----|--------------------|--------|-----------------------------------|-------|-------

   1|Heavyweight         |   11023|Sam Langford                       |1656.68|4197.12

   2|Heavyweight         |    9027|Joe Louis                          |2018.56|2992.91

   3|Heavyweight         |     180|Muhammad Ali                       |1758.47|2589.91

   4|Heavyweight         |    1187|Jack Johnson                       |1638.37|2565.81

   5|Heavyweight         |    9012|Ezzard Charles                     |1322.53|2448.09

   6|Heavyweight         |   17615|Harry Wills                        |1164.07|2275.76

   7|Heavyweight         |    9046|Gene Tunney                        |1332.13|2209.45

   8|Heavyweight         |     499|Evander Holyfield                  |1522.48|1898.14

   9|Heavyweight         |    9032|Rocky Marciano                     |1334.11|1725.14

  10|Heavyweight         |    9974|Jimmy Bivins                       | 652.74|1708.22

  11|Heavyweight         |   10552|Bob Fitzsimmons                    |1554.18|1638.71

  12|Heavyweight         |   11622|Sam McVea                          | 899.99|1500.64

  13|Heavyweight         |    9038|Floyd Patterson                    |1187.07|1497.46

  14|Heavyweight         |   10616|Jack Sharkey                       |1087.90|1476.33

  15|Heavyweight         |   11631|Joe Jeannette                      | 597.06|1429.48

  16|Heavyweight         |   10744|Tommy Burns                        | 955.75|1355.23

  17|Heavyweight         |     150|Larry Holmes                       | 953.16|1334.27

  18|Heavyweight         |    9041|Max Schmeling                      |1201.91|1320.28

  19|Heavyweight         |    7035|Wladimir Klitschko                 |1060.03|1246.49

  20|Heavyweight         |   12077|Max Baer                           |1125.18|1224.57

  21|Heavyweight         |     474|Mike Tyson                         | 758.01|1064.57

  22|Heavyweight         |   11627|Marvin Hart                        | 667.14|1008.81

  23|Heavyweight         |   11641|Fireman Jim Flynn                  | 725.21| 992.29

  24|Heavyweight         |     147|Joe Frazier                        | 818.37| 989.78

  25|Heavyweight         |   12052|Young Stribling                    | 318.86| 955.26

  26|Heavyweight         |    1853|Lennox Lewis                       | 616.70| 913.71

  27|Heavyweight         |    9009|Jack Dempsey                       | 619.87| 885.97

  28|Heavyweight         |    9022|James J. Jeffries                  | 761.32| 843.11

  29|Heavyweight         |      90|George Foreman                     | 710.43| 826.56

  30|Heavyweight         |    9031|Sonny Liston                       | 605.39| 817.48

  31|Heavyweight         |   10799|Peter Maher                        | 558.66| 801.81

  32|Heavyweight         |   11028|Jersey Joe Walcott                 | 586.68| 790.33

  33|Heavyweight         |   10784|Frank Slavin                       | 630.86| 744.54

  34|Heavyweight         |   10540|Joe Choynski                       | 501.33| 725.19

  35|Heavyweight         |   11290|Gunboat Smith                      | 379.27| 705.30

  36|Heavyweight         |   12086|Primo Carnera                      | 424.00| 703.79

  37|Heavyweight         |     168|Ken Norton                         | 546.83| 661.74

  38|Heavyweight         |   12138|Tami Mauriello                     | 332.64| 652.08

  39|Heavyweight         |    7033|Vitali Klitschko                   | 523.60| 633.05

  40|Heavyweight         |   11300|Chuck Wiggins                      | 248.00| 592.37

  41|Heavyweight         |    1640|Riddick Bowe                       | 444.50| 580.98

  42|Heavyweight         |   10543|Peter Jackson                      | 555.79| 573.04

  43|Heavyweight         |   12711|Ingemar Johansson                  | 490.99| 569.88

  44|Heavyweight         |   13546|Charley Weinert                    | 338.15| 558.17

  45|Heavyweight         |   10881|Eddie Machen                       | 300.34| 556.58

  46|Heavyweight         |   12126|Arturo Godoy                       | 476.03| 540.64

  47|Heavyweight         |   11637|Peter Felix                        | 420.35| 525.45

  48|Heavyweight         |    9385|Jerry Quarry                       | 363.09| 525.27

  49|Heavyweight         |   16479|Mike Schreck                       | 269.54| 519.42

  50|Heavyweight         |   12072|Jim Braddock                       | 452.00| 509.70

[jamamb]

thats a good point, although for cruiserweight specifically i think its not so relevant. usyk having beat another pair of 3s in the same year as beating the 2 is a huge deal imo for his atg standing at cruiser, where the division doesnt stretch back so much to days of huge activity and where many fighters dont really have loads of standout wins.

[mike1989]

Hi, Martin !
And what changed the rating all time ??

[computerrank]

Hi, Martin !
And what changed the rating all time ??

Ratings r_old are the current ones.

We would get r_new, if we would award multiple wins per year.

[computerrank]

thats a good point, although for cruiserweight specifically i think its not so relevant. usyk having beat another pair of 3s in the same year as beating the 2 is a huge deal imo for his atg standing at cruiser, where the division doesnt stretch back so much to days of huge activity and where many fighters dont really have loads of standout wins.

Here Cruiserweight All Time Ratings - current version
- r_old = ratings from 1850 to 2017 (all finished years)
- r_new = ratings including points for 2018 (not finished)

You can see Usyk is #1 already.

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rank|division            |boxer_id|name                               |  r_old|  r_new

----|--------------------|--------|-----------------------------------|-------|-------

   1|Cruiserweight       |  659772|Oleksandr Usyk                     | 305.28| 431.57

   2|Cruiserweight       |    8657|Carlos De Leon                     | 409.75| 409.75

   3|Cruiserweight       |    5843|Anaclet Wamba                      | 395.34| 395.34

   4|Cruiserweight       |   20382|O'Neil Bell                        | 373.89| 373.89

   5|Cruiserweight       |     617|Nate Miller                        | 329.00| 329.00

   6|Cruiserweight       |    2109|Arthur Williams                    | 326.37| 326.37

   7|Cruiserweight       |    7121|Vassiliy Jirov                     | 305.31| 305.32

   8|Cruiserweight       |     623|Johnny Nelson                      | 297.18| 299.02

   9|Cruiserweight       |   36642|Steve Cunningham                   | 286.50| 286.50

  10|Cruiserweight       |     864|Ossie Ocasio                       | 280.74| 280.74

  11|Cruiserweight       |    2361|Jeff Lampkin                       | 261.52| 261.52

  12|Cruiserweight       |   51748|Danny Green                        | 256.97| 256.97

  13|Cruiserweight       |   17783|Jean Marc Mormeck                  | 240.69| 240.69

  14|Cruiserweight       |  514537|Mairis Briedis                     | 150.66| 233.62

  15|Cruiserweight       |    8267|Juan Carlos Gomez                  | 224.97| 224.97

  16|Cruiserweight       |  324252|Yoan Pablo Hernandez               | 222.83| 222.84

  17|Cruiserweight       |    4378|Akim Tafer                         | 195.90| 195.90

  18|Cruiserweight       |   34020|Denis Lebedev                      | 192.68| 192.68

  19|Cruiserweight       |   38558|Grigory Drozd                      | 183.07| 183.07

  20|Cruiserweight       |  425328|Tony Bellew                        | 167.69| 181.98

[mike1989]

Hi, Martin !
And what changed the rating all time ??

Ratings r_old are the current ones.

We would get r_new, if we would award multiple wins per year.

Martin I do not understand?

[computerrank]

Hi, Martin !
And what changed the rating all time ??

Ratings r_old are the current ones.

We would get r_new, if we would award multiple wins per year.

Martin I do not understand?

Sorry, I do not understand your question.

[JxhDel.]

http://boxrec.com/en/event/720264/2008109

Why does not this match have three stars like before? Dillian had 46 points (despite coming from two years off due to a ban and being unproven).

[computerrank]

http://boxrec.com/en/event/720264/2008109

Why does not this match have three stars like before? Dillian had 46 points (despite coming from two years off due to a ban and being unproven).

Diliian is noted with 45.69 points before this bout. This is below the 3-star bout limit of 46 points. As a lot of past result are added and some corrected every day, it might have happened that his pre-bout has dropped some fraction of points.

The boxer ratings and all pre-bout and after bout ratings are re-calculated from scratch every day, based on the latest records.

[JxhDel.]

http://boxrec.com/en/event/720264/2008109

Why does not this match have three stars like before? Dillian had 46 points (despite coming from two years off due to a ban and being unproven).

Diliian is noted with 45.69 points before this bout. This is below the 3-star bout limit of 46 points. As a lot of past result are added and some corrected every day, it might have happened that his pre-bout has dropped some fraction of points.

The boxer ratings and all pre-bout and after bout ratings are re-calculated from scratch every day, based on the latest records.

Ok, thanks for the info!

[pugilisticspecialist]

If Joshua KO'd Usyk in the first round on 2019-04-13, what would Joshua's rating score be afterwards?

[computerrank]

If Joshua KO'd Usyk in the first round on 2019-04-13, what would Joshua's rating score be afterwards?

928 points

[pugilisticspecialist]

If Whyte KO's Chisora in the first round, what will Whyte's rating score be afterwards?

[computerrank]

If Whyte KO's Chisora in the first round, what will Whyte's rating score be afterwards?

240 points

[Gradenko]

Why after Wilder vs Fury finish in a DRAW the rating of Wilder was significantly reduced and Fury's rating was significantly increased? This kind of rating would have been valid if Fury would win the fight and wilder lose but the fight was a DRAW. Does not seem right at all after a draw result one fighter to lose rating points big time & another to earn huge. Fair will be both to win a certain number of points , and both have their ratings increased because it's a draw with 2 winners, not a winner & a loser how ratings look now. This is a major flow!!!

[JCS]

Why after Wilder vs Fury finish in a DRAW the rating of Wilder was significantly reduced and Fury's rating was significantly increased? This kind of rating would have been valid if Fury would win the fight and wilder lose but the fight was a DRAW. Does not seem right at all after a draw result one fighter to lose rating points big time & another to earn huge. Fair will be both to win a certain number of points , and both have their ratings increased because it's a draw with 2 winners, not a winner & a loser how ratings look now. This is a major flow!!!

Because... a draw brings the two fighters closer together? Not sure why that is such a heinous result?

[Gradenko]

Yes! But still is a major flow how this draw is scored. If Fury would win and Wilder lose the rating would be the same like now . WHERE is the difference in fury win vs draw because i don't see it. This kind of scoring a draw are really stupid because is similar with a win for Fury and this is nor right at all. Correct would be both to earn some equal points because this is a DRAW , a fight with 2 winners.

[JCS]

Yes! But still is a major flow how this draw is scored. If Fury would win and Wilder lose the rating would be the same like now . WHERE is the difference in fury win vs draw because i don't see it. This kind of scoring a draw are really stupid because is similar with a win for Fury and this is nor right at all. Correct would be both to earn some equal points because this is a DRAW , a fight with 2 winners.

Umm.. if Fury won, he'd be ranked ahead of Wilder.

[jamamb]

sorry grad but you arent making much sense, sound more like some wilder advocate then anything

[magicrp]

thats a good point, although for cruiserweight specifically i think its not so relevant. usyk having beat another pair of 3s in the same year as beating the 2 is a huge deal imo for his atg standing at cruiser, where the division doesnt stretch back so much to days of huge activity and where many fighters dont really have loads of standout wins.

Here Cruiserweight All Time Ratings - current version
- r_old = ratings from 1850 to 2017 (all finished years)
- r_new = ratings including points for 2018 (not finished)

You can see Usyk is #1 already.

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rank|division            |boxer_id|name                               |  r_old|  r_new

----|--------------------|--------|-----------------------------------|-------|-------

   1|Cruiserweight       |  659772|Oleksandr Usyk                     | 305.28| 431.57

   2|Cruiserweight       |    8657|Carlos De Leon                     | 409.75| 409.75

   3|Cruiserweight       |    5843|Anaclet Wamba                      | 395.34| 395.34

   4|Cruiserweight       |   20382|O'Neil Bell                        | 373.89| 373.89

   5|Cruiserweight       |     617|Nate Miller                        | 329.00| 329.00

   6|Cruiserweight       |    2109|Arthur Williams                    | 326.37| 326.37

   7|Cruiserweight       |    7121|Vassiliy Jirov                     | 305.31| 305.32

   8|Cruiserweight       |     623|Johnny Nelson                      | 297.18| 299.02

   9|Cruiserweight       |   36642|Steve Cunningham                   | 286.50| 286.50

  10|Cruiserweight       |     864|Ossie Ocasio                       | 280.74| 280.74

  11|Cruiserweight       |    2361|Jeff Lampkin                       | 261.52| 261.52

  12|Cruiserweight       |   51748|Danny Green                        | 256.97| 256.97

  13|Cruiserweight       |   17783|Jean Marc Mormeck                  | 240.69| 240.69

  14|Cruiserweight       |  514537|Mairis Briedis                     | 150.66| 233.62

  15|Cruiserweight       |    8267|Juan Carlos Gomez                  | 224.97| 224.97

  16|Cruiserweight       |  324252|Yoan Pablo Hernandez               | 222.83| 222.84

  17|Cruiserweight       |    4378|Akim Tafer                         | 195.90| 195.90

  18|Cruiserweight       |   34020|Denis Lebedev                      | 192.68| 192.68

  19|Cruiserweight       |   38558|Grigory Drozd                      | 183.07| 183.07

  20|Cruiserweight       |  425328|Tony Bellew                        | 167.69| 181.98

Can you show the middleweight all time ranking like this?(old and new) Thanks.
And I want to ask why Usyk's point is from 305.28 to 431.57. Thanks

[computerrank]

thats a good point, although for cruiserweight specifically i think its not so relevant. usyk having beat another pair of 3s in the same year as beating the 2 is a huge deal imo for his atg standing at cruiser, where the division doesnt stretch back so much to days of huge activity and where many fighters dont really have loads of standout wins.

Here Cruiserweight All Time Ratings - current version
- r_old = ratings from 1850 to 2017 (all finished years)
- r_new = ratings including points for 2018 (not finished)

You can see Usyk is #1 already.

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rank|division            |boxer_id|name                               |  r_old|  r_new

----|--------------------|--------|-----------------------------------|-------|-------

   1|Cruiserweight       |  659772|Oleksandr Usyk                     | 305.28| 431.57

   2|Cruiserweight       |    8657|Carlos De Leon                     | 409.75| 409.75

Can you show the middleweight all time ranking like this?(old and new) Thanks.
And I want to ask why Usyk's point is from 305.28 to 431.57. Thanks

r_old is including 2017
r_new is including 2018 (will be shown next year ...)

Here the top 50 at Middleweight - Alvarez and Golovkin got a lot of points in 2018 ...

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   1 Middleweight           9625 Sugar Ray Robinson             US 2498.74 2499.27
   2 Middleweight           1414 Bernard Hopkins                US 2173.46 2173.46
   3 Middleweight           9036 Carlos Monzon                  AR 2047.58 2047.59
   4 Middleweight           8684 Marvin Hagler                  US 1601.96 1601.96
   5 Middleweight           9017 Emile Griffith                 VI 1417.23 1417.23
   6 Middleweight          31487 Tommy Ryan                     US 1238.17 1238.17
   7 Middleweight           9010 Dick Tiger                     NG 1173.76 1173.76
   8 Middleweight           9035 Mickey Walker                  US 1097.86 1097.86
   9 Middleweight           9707 Gene Fullmer                   US 1094.57 1094.57
  10 Middleweight           1437 James Toney                    US 1004.79 1004.79
  11 Middleweight          17887 Marcel Thil                    FR  932.05  932.05
  12 Middleweight            462 Michael Nunn                   US  894.74  894.74
  13 Middleweight          39949 Charles Kid McCoy              US  876.00  876.00
  14 Middleweight          11715 Hugo Kelly                     IT  856.83  856.83
  15 Middleweight          53088 Jimmy Clabby                   US  764.02  764.12
  16 Middleweight          10923 Joey Giardello                 US  741.29  741.29
  17 Middleweight         348759 Saul Alvarez                   MX  741.01  924.34
  18 Middleweight          14429 Sergio Martinez                AR  715.18  715.18
  19 Middleweight           8999 Nino Benvenuti                 IT  714.10  714.10
  20 Middleweight           2046 Keith Holmes                   US  708.55  708.55
  21 Middleweight          24927 Bobo Olson                     US  707.76  707.75
  22 Middleweight          12376 Rodrigo Valdes                 CO  701.36  701.36
  23 Middleweight          10808 Dan Creedon                    NZ  698.43  698.43
  24 Middleweight          40483 George Green                   US  664.93  664.93
  25 Middleweight          31056 Jermain Taylor                 US  664.24  664.24
  26 Middleweight            447 Iran Barkley                   US  597.84  597.84
  27 Middleweight           9028 Stanley Ketchel                US  597.57  597.57
  28 Middleweight          40065 Dave Smith                     AU  582.92  582.92
  29 Middleweight          31252 Felix Sturm                    DE  569.37  569.37
  30 Middleweight          17630 Len Harvey                     UK  563.93  563.93
  31 Middleweight          11267 Mike Gibbons                   US  542.38  542.38
  32 Middleweight          10913 Charles Humez                  FR  522.72  522.72
  33 Middleweight          10525 Fred Apostoli                  US  520.11  520.11
  34 Middleweight          11274 Jeff Smith                     US  506.64  506.55
  35 Middleweight           9030 Jake LaMotta                   US  503.24  503.23
  36 Middleweight          11285 Frank Klaus                    US  481.77  481.78
  37 Middleweight          11295 Leo Houck                      US  471.96  471.96
  38 Middleweight          11264 Bob Moha                       US  468.08  468.08
  39 Middleweight          11714 Billy Papke                    US  466.47  466.42
  40 Middleweight           1012 Sumbu Kalambay                 IT  464.81  464.81
  41 Middleweight           9601 Ceferino Garcia                PH  463.13  463.13
  42 Middleweight          28407 Gustav Scholz                  DE  440.71  440.71
  43 Middleweight          11396 Joey Archer                    US  421.26  421.27
  44 Middleweight           9968 Holman Williams                US  418.99  418.99
  45 Middleweight          15844 Kelly Pavlik                   US  418.72  418.72
  46 Middleweight         356831 Gennady Golovkin               KZ  417.48  573.03
  47 Middleweight           4995 William Joppy                  US  411.07  411.07
  48 Middleweight          13106 Randolph Turpin                UK  409.04  409.04
  49 Middleweight          10517 Vince Dundee                   US  404.78  404.79
  50 Middleweight          11330 Bryan Downey                   US  398.08  398.08

[mike1989]

describe how you got the current point
Mairis Briedis for the victory over Marco Hook 2017-04-01 ???

[magicrp]

Here Cruiserweight All Time Ratings - current version
- r_old = ratings from 1850 to 2017 (all finished years)
- r_new = ratings including points for 2018 (not finished)

You can see Usyk is #1 already.

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rank|division            |boxer_id|name                               |  r_old|  r_new

----|--------------------|--------|-----------------------------------|-------|-------

   1|Cruiserweight       |  659772|Oleksandr Usyk                     | 305.28| 431.57

   2|Cruiserweight       |    8657|Carlos De Leon                     | 409.75| 409.75

Can you show the middleweight all time ranking like this?(old and new) Thanks.
And I want to ask why Usyk's point is from 305.28 to 431.57. Thanks

r_old is including 2017
r_new is including 2018 (will be shown next year ...)

Here the top 50 at Middleweight - Alvarez and Golovkin got a lot of points in 2018 ...

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   1 Middleweight           9625 Sugar Ray Robinson             US 2498.74 2499.27
   2 Middleweight           1414 Bernard Hopkins                US 2173.46 2173.46
   3 Middleweight           9036 Carlos Monzon                  AR 2047.58 2047.59
   4 Middleweight           8684 Marvin Hagler                  US 1601.96 1601.96
   5 Middleweight           9017 Emile Griffith                 VI 1417.23 1417.23
   6 Middleweight          31487 Tommy Ryan                     US 1238.17 1238.17
   7 Middleweight           9010 Dick Tiger                     NG 1173.76 1173.76
   8 Middleweight           9035 Mickey Walker                  US 1097.86 1097.86
   9 Middleweight           9707 Gene Fullmer                   US 1094.57 1094.57
  10 Middleweight           1437 James Toney                    US 1004.79 1004.79
  11 Middleweight          17887 Marcel Thil                    FR  932.05  932.05
  12 Middleweight            462 Michael Nunn                   US  894.74  894.74
  13 Middleweight          39949 Charles Kid McCoy              US  876.00  876.00
  14 Middleweight          11715 Hugo Kelly                     IT  856.83  856.83
  15 Middleweight          53088 Jimmy Clabby                   US  764.02  764.12
  16 Middleweight          10923 Joey Giardello                 US  741.29  741.29
  17 Middleweight         348759 Saul Alvarez                   MX  741.01  924.34
  18 Middleweight          14429 Sergio Martinez                AR  715.18  715.18
  19 Middleweight           8999 Nino Benvenuti                 IT  714.10  714.10
  20 Middleweight           2046 Keith Holmes                   US  708.55  708.55
  21 Middleweight          24927 Bobo Olson                     US  707.76  707.75
  22 Middleweight          12376 Rodrigo Valdes                 CO  701.36  701.36
  23 Middleweight          10808 Dan Creedon                    NZ  698.43  698.43
  24 Middleweight          40483 George Green                   US  664.93  664.93
  25 Middleweight          31056 Jermain Taylor                 US  664.24  664.24
  26 Middleweight            447 Iran Barkley                   US  597.84  597.84
  27 Middleweight           9028 Stanley Ketchel                US  597.57  597.57
  28 Middleweight          40065 Dave Smith                     AU  582.92  582.92
  29 Middleweight          31252 Felix Sturm                    DE  569.37  569.37
  30 Middleweight          17630 Len Harvey                     UK  563.93  563.93
  31 Middleweight          11267 Mike Gibbons                   US  542.38  542.38
  32 Middleweight          10913 Charles Humez                  FR  522.72  522.72
  33 Middleweight          10525 Fred Apostoli                  US  520.11  520.11
  34 Middleweight          11274 Jeff Smith                     US  506.64  506.55
  35 Middleweight           9030 Jake LaMotta                   US  503.24  503.23
  36 Middleweight          11285 Frank Klaus                    US  481.77  481.78
  37 Middleweight          11295 Leo Houck                      US  471.96  471.96
  38 Middleweight          11264 Bob Moha                       US  468.08  468.08
  39 Middleweight          11714 Billy Papke                    US  466.47  466.42
  40 Middleweight           1012 Sumbu Kalambay                 IT  464.81  464.81
  41 Middleweight           9601 Ceferino Garcia                PH  463.13  463.13
  42 Middleweight          28407 Gustav Scholz                  DE  440.71  440.71
  43 Middleweight          11396 Joey Archer                    US  421.26  421.27
  44 Middleweight           9968 Holman Williams                US  418.99  418.99
  45 Middleweight          15844 Kelly Pavlik                   US  418.72  418.72
  46 Middleweight         356831 Gennady Golovkin               KZ  417.48  573.03
  47 Middleweight           4995 William Joppy                  US  411.07  411.07
  48 Middleweight          13106 Randolph Turpin                UK  409.04  409.04
  49 Middleweight          10517 Vince Dundee                   US  404.78  404.79
  50 Middleweight          11330 Bryan Downey                   US  398.08  398.08

Now the rating point changed. Can you show the middleweight all time ranking like this again? Thanks.