Anyone know about Tommy Fury?

[leejonesjnr]

If it helps him good luck to him only trying to make some dough in a hard game

He's tysins brother and that obviously going to get him recognised but he so far hasn't gone out of his way to bring it up and he won't

I don’t have any problem with him exploiting the situation he is in but stating that he wants to ‘walk his own path’ implies that he is determined to build a career based on merit.
Already that isn’t the case.
It’s sort of strange that being related to a boxer who the general public won’t pay to see makes any inroads with a promoter anyway isn’t it.

Tyson’s last three fights have been 15,000 and two 20,000? The last an event shown worldwide. And his popularity has risen x10 since then.

Nope.

[mickey1975]

I don’t have any problem with him exploiting the situation he is in but stating that he wants to ‘walk his own path’ implies that he is determined to build a career based on merit.
Already that isn’t the case.
It’s sort of strange that being related to a boxer who the general public won’t pay to see makes any inroads with a promoter anyway isn’t it.

Tyson’s last three fights have been 15,000 and two 20,000? The last an event shown worldwide. And his popularity has risen x10 since then.

Nope.

Erm.... yes.

[SAPFO]

So, Tommy, how did the kid look?

[leejonesjnr]

Tyson’s last three fights have been 15,000 and two 20,000? The last an event shown worldwide. And his popularity has risen x10 since then.

Nope.

Erm.... yes.

If 200’000 people buy tickets to his next fight then you will have been correct and I will apologise.
Until that happens then it’s still a firm no.
The first fight back against Seferi didn’t fill an arena and that was likely to be the peak of his marketability due simply to the curiosity factor. I’d imagine that it was also the largest domestic TV audience he has had for the same reason (I don’t know this, I am speculating) but that would have dropped drastically if it had been even a £2 PPV.
The Pianeta fight was on a Frampton card in Belfast, the vast majority of that audience would have been there with or without Fury.
The Wilder fight may or may not have been a legit sell out, I don’t know. It seems to be generally believed that there were a lot of comps, but that could be untrue as false rumours often gain traction.

[samwbr]

There was a lot of walk up sales on the night for Wilder v Fury, my mate who lives in LA went and had pretty much the pick of the arena. It was still a decent attendance.

[mickey1975]

Nope.

Erm.... yes.

If 200’000 people buy tickets to his next fight then you will have been correct and I will apologise.
Until that happens then it’s still a firm no.
The first fight back against Seferi didn’t fill an arena and that was likely to be the peak of his marketability due simply to the curiosity factor. I’d imagine that it was also the largest domestic TV audience he has had for the same reason (I don’t know this, I am speculating) but that would have dropped drastically if it had been even a £2 PPV.
The Pianeta fight was on a Frampton card in Belfast, the vast majority of that audience would have been there with or without Fury.
The Wilder fight may or may not have been a legit sell out, I don’t know. It seems to be generally believed that there were a lot of comps, but that could be untrue as false rumours often gain traction.

He boxed in front of millions on C5 and ITV. Bigger domestic audiences than any Sky exclusive fighter.

[leejonesjnr]

Erm.... yes.

If 200’000 people buy tickets to his next fight then you will have been correct and I will apologise.
Until that happens then it’s still a firm no.
The first fight back against Seferi didn’t fill an arena and that was likely to be the peak of his marketability due simply to the curiosity factor. I’d imagine that it was also the largest domestic TV audience he has had for the same reason (I don’t know this, I am speculating) but that would have dropped drastically if it had been even a £2 PPV.
The Pianeta fight was on a Frampton card in Belfast, the vast majority of that audience would have been there with or without Fury.
The Wilder fight may or may not have been a legit sell out, I don’t know. It seems to be generally believed that there were a lot of comps, but that could be untrue as false rumours often gain traction.

He boxed in front of millions on C5 and ITV. Bigger domestic audiences than any Sky exclusive fighter.

As illustrated recently, your claims with regards numbers are not necessarily based on any facts, however, whatever TV numbers he has achieved so far is irrelevant, only his next fight achieving ten times whatever those figures were will prove your point.
If he headlines Manchester Arena in his next contest, I wouldn’t expect a sell out. I suspect that you would, and no matter what the figures you would claim a sell out anyway. Until it happens nobody knows for sure. It does seem like his popularity has grown massively, but it seemed like that when he made his comeback only for the show to not sell out. Perhaps people who were already fans are just noisier?

[mickey1975]

I don’t recall any mainstream publicity like the post Wilder fight for anyone. Good Morning Britain lead story for twenty minutes when they had Tony Blair on as a guest.

[dookus]

I don’t recall any mainstream publicity like the post Wilder fight for anyone. Good Morning Britain lead story for twenty minutes when they had Tony Blair on as a guest.

Hopefully it will translate into bums on seats

[leejonesjnr]

I don’t recall any mainstream publicity like the post Wilder fight for anyone. Good Morning Britain lead story for twenty minutes when they had Tony Blair on as a guest.

Dunno, his homophobia got a lot of headlines

[mickey1975]

I don’t recall any mainstream publicity like the post Wilder fight for anyone. Good Morning Britain lead story for twenty minutes when they had Tony Blair on as a guest.

Dunno, his homophobia got a lot of headlines

His religious quotes got nothing like the reaction his comeback did.

[leejonesjnr]

I don’t recall any mainstream publicity like the post Wilder fight for anyone. Good Morning Britain lead story for twenty minutes when they had Tony Blair on as a guest.

Dunno, his homophobia got a lot of headlines

His religious quotes got nothing like the reaction his comeback did.

Correct, his bigoted attitude drew far more coverage than boxing Seferi.

[bripez]

I don’t recall any mainstream publicity like the post Wilder fight for anyone. Good Morning Britain lead story for twenty minutes when they had Tony Blair on as a guest.

Dunno, his homophobia got a lot of headlines

His religious quotes got nothing like the reaction his comeback did.

His well known comments are mysoginist and homophobic.

Please don’t try to portray them as “religious comments”.

[mickey1975]

Dunno, his homophobia got a lot of headlines

His religious quotes got nothing like the reaction his comeback did.

Correct, his bigoted attitude drew far more coverage than boxing Seferi.

And much, much less than his heroic comeback against mental health and Wilder.

[leejonesjnr]

His religious quotes got nothing like the reaction his comeback did.

Correct, his bigoted attitude drew far more coverage than boxing Seferi.

And much, much less than his heroic comeback against mental health and Wilder.

I’m not really sure that’s true.
For sure his horrible views had more longevity than the draw with Wilder but there were a lot of reports about the fight for a few days so perhaps the number was higher.
I am a little surprised that nobody has questioned his mental health claims being artifice to muddy the recreational and performance enhancing drugs waters.

[mickey1975]

Correct, his bigoted attitude drew far more coverage than boxing Seferi.

And much, much less than his heroic comeback against mental health and Wilder.

I’m not really sure that’s true.
For sure his horrible views had more longevity than the draw with Wilder but there were a lot of reports about the fight for a few days so perhaps the number was higher.
I am a little surprised that nobody has questioned his mental health claims being artifice to muddy the recreational and performance enhancing drugs waters.

I’m a little surprised too, considering he’s had worldwide positive publicity over the last four weeks yet it only you on a forum would like to muddy the waters! Two Ring magazine awards as well for the real champ. What a year.

[leejonesjnr]

And much, much less than his heroic comeback against mental health and Wilder.

I’m not really sure that’s true.
For sure his horrible views had more longevity than the draw with Wilder but there were a lot of reports about the fight for a few days so perhaps the number was higher.
I am a little surprised that nobody has questioned his mental health claims being artifice to muddy the recreational and performance enhancing drugs waters.

I’m a little surprised too, considering he’s had worldwide positive publicity over the last four weeks yet it only you on a forum would like to muddy the waters! Two Ring magazine awards as well for the real champ. What a year.

Awwwww you don’t understand what I said.
Perhaps he will be a world champion again, who knows.

[Boxingcutsman]

1: I know Tyson & his uncle peter very well personally and Tyson does 100% suffer with mental illness and was clear to see on different occasions from when I first met him about 10+ yrs ago, it is definitely not to cover any muddy waters, that’s a distateful comment to make imo and a bit of a low blow.

2: regarding his personal opinion regarding sexuality and other comments, there his own beliefs and he is entitled to them, I know a lot of people with the same views, boxers, people involved in boxing, people who work in the police, work for councils, all walks of life’s and professions, some of whom even post on here who will say things behind closed doors or in certain circles, but haven’t the Bol locks or conviction to say them out loud, no one is to say that’s right or wrong, people are entitled to there own religious and personal beliefs and opinions same way anyone is entitled to live the way they want to live no matter of there race, religion or sexuality as long has it doesn’t encroach or forced on to other people.

3: regarding popularity and tickets sales, FACT, there is not many tickets sellers in Boxing at any level, people like Ricky Hatton, josh Warrington, sean Dodd, Frank Buglionni, they was and are what you would call ticket sellers, selling PERSONALLY £10’s & £10’s & £10’s of thousands of pounds worth of tickets, even very early on in their careers.
most who attend these shows are casuals who wouldn’t know a left hook from a fish hook and only tag along cuz of one or two of there mates or a night out or to follow a load of women who now attend the big arena shows to watch these hyped up, fake, misold publicity fighters who I also personally know and have heard have a awful lot of distasteful views and comments that people wouldn’t like and would be appalled at but are more puppeteered by there masters to keep the cash cow rolling

4: regarding Tommy, it’s early days we will have to wait and see what will unfold with him and what he may or may not go on to do and achieve.

[tobyh5]

2: regarding his personal opinion regarding sexuality and other comments, there his own beliefs and he is entitled to them, I know a lot of people with the same views, boxers, people involved in boxing, people who work in the police, work for councils, all walks of life’s and professions, some of whom even post on here who will say things behind closed doors or in certain circles, but haven’t the Bol locks or conviction to say them out loud, no one is to say that’s right or wrong, people are entitled to there own religious and personal beliefs and opinions same way anyone is entitled to live the way they want to live no matter of there race, religion or sexuality as long has it doesn’t encroach or forced on to other people.

He absolutely is entitled to his own opinions but cannot then be surprised that the result of revealing an attitude which is not in line with the majority of society ends with not being liked by the majority of society. Pretty basic stuff.

I am sure there are guys you do not like in life as they talk shite which you strongly disagree with.

Talk controversially, do not act surprised when it does not end well.

[Boxingcutsman]

2: regarding his personal opinion regarding sexuality and other comments, there his own beliefs and he is entitled to them, I know a lot of people with the same views, boxers, people involved in boxing, people who work in the police, work for councils, all walks of life’s and professions, some of whom even post on here who will say things behind closed doors or in certain circles, but haven’t the Bol locks or conviction to say them out loud, no one is to say that’s right or wrong, people are entitled to there own religious and personal beliefs and opinions same way anyone is entitled to live the way they want to live no matter of there race, religion or sexuality as long has it doesn’t encroach or forced on to other people.

He absolutely is entitled to his own opinions but people cannot be surprised that the result of revealing an attitude which is not in line with the majority of society ends with that person not being liked by the majority of society. Pretty basic stuff.

I am sure there are guys you do not like in life as they talk shite which you strongly disagree with.

Talk controversially, do not act surprised when it does not end well.

Totally agree with you, and what your saying there, my point I was making is non of us can say it’s wrong because it isn’t the same as the opinion we may have regarding the same subject or view, and non of us can say it’s right either, people are entitled to there own views, beliefs and live how they feel is right, I know a lot of
People in the spotlight or people look upto that if there opinions or true colours came out people would be mighty surprised also, I think Tyson speaks off the cuff and is open and I can respect that even if I don’t agree with it or hold the same opinion more than some fake cu nt who is hoodwinking the public, sly and conniving, I think Tyson is misunderstood at times and also used as a bit of a scapegoat tbh, just my opinion

[tobyh5]

I know a lot of people in the spotlight or people look upto that if there opinions or true colours came out people would be mighty surprised also

No doubt at all, but most people know to keep things inside and not reveal all the stuff we think. Its a basic part of functioning in society - the ability to moderate our behaviour to what is acceptable.

Was Fury an idiot for all the stuff he said or was he just being a good ole honest man saying the stuff other people want to? Depends on what he wants. If it is just to be Mr Honest, revealing his inner thoughts, then good on him. My problem was him and his old man then going mad that he had no sponsorships and throwing out the "This man beat a super champion which no one else could do, and he gets nothing but AJ has money thrown at him."

Cannot have both. If you want the sponsorships, mainstream support and the rewards, do not say that shite. If you want to say that shite, do not expect the support and sponsorships.

My problem was always that they missed this most basic component of life

[leejonesjnr]

1: I know Tyson & his uncle peter very well personally and Tyson does 100% suffer with mental illness and was clear to see on different occasions from when I first met him about 10+ yrs ago, it is definitely not to cover any muddy waters, that’s a distateful comment to make imo and a bit of a low blow.

2: regarding his personal opinion regarding sexuality and other comments, there his own beliefs and he is entitled to them, I know a lot of people with the same views, boxers, people involved in boxing, people who work in the police, work for councils, all walks of life’s and professions, some of whom even post on here who will say things behind closed doors or in certain circles, but haven’t the Bol locks or conviction to say them out loud, no one is to say that’s right or wrong, people are entitled to there own religious and personal beliefs and opinions same way anyone is entitled to live the way they want to live no matter of there race, religion or sexuality as long has it doesn’t encroach or forced on to other people.

3: regarding popularity and tickets sales, FACT, there is not many tickets sellers in Boxing at any level, people like Ricky Hatton, josh Warrington, sean Dodd, Frank Buglionni, they was and are what you would call ticket sellers, selling PERSONALLY £10’s & £10’s & £10’s of thousands of pounds worth of tickets, even very early on in their careers.
most who attend these shows are casuals who wouldn’t know a left hook from a fish hook and only tag along cuz of one or two of there mates or a night out or to follow a load of women who now attend the big arena shows to watch these hyped up, fake, misold publicity fighters who I also personally know and have heard have a awful lot of distasteful views and comments that people wouldn’t like and would be appalled at but are more puppeteered by there masters to keep the cash cow rolling

4: regarding Tommy, it’s early days we will have to wait and see what will unfold with him and what he may or may not go on to do and achieve.

It’s fine for Tyson Fury to say horrendous things because you’ve heard other people say them? It shows he is brave? Fascinating. Presumably it’s also fine for people to say whatever they like about Tyson Fury and his alleged mental illness then? If you read what I wrote I offered no opinion on the matter, though if a man has mental illness spanning ten years or more I’m not sure I believe he should be boxing. That said, anyone with a properly functioning brain wouldn’t box anyway.

Big ticket sellers/TV audience viewer attractions are indeed very rare. I think that has only entered the Tyson Fury discussions because some people have implied that he is deserving of a 50-50 with Joshua as he is as big an attraction which is obviously not the case.

Having seen Tommy Fury Box now, what do you think he plausibly could achieve?

[Boxingcutsman]

1: I know Tyson & his uncle peter very well personally and Tyson does 100% suffer with mental illness and was clear to see on different occasions from when I first met him about 10+ yrs ago, it is definitely not to cover any muddy waters, that’s a distateful comment to make imo and a bit of a low blow.

2: regarding his personal opinion regarding sexuality and other comments, there his own beliefs and he is entitled to them, I know a lot of people with the same views, boxers, people involved in boxing, people who work in the police, work for councils, all walks of life’s and professions, some of whom even post on here who will say things behind closed doors or in certain circles, but haven’t the Bol locks or conviction to say them out loud, no one is to say that’s right or wrong, people are entitled to there own religious and personal beliefs and opinions same way anyone is entitled to live the way they want to live no matter of there race, religion or sexuality as long has it doesn’t encroach or forced on to other people.

3: regarding popularity and tickets sales, FACT, there is not many tickets sellers in Boxing at any level, people like Ricky Hatton, josh Warrington, sean Dodd, Frank Buglionni, they was and are what you would call ticket sellers, selling PERSONALLY £10’s & £10’s & £10’s of thousands of pounds worth of tickets, even very early on in their careers.
most who attend these shows are casuals who wouldn’t know a left hook from a fish hook and only tag along cuz of one or two of there mates or a night out or to follow a load of women who now attend the big arena shows to watch these hyped up, fake, misold publicity fighters who I also personally know and have heard have a awful lot of distasteful views and comments that people wouldn’t like and would be appalled at but are more puppeteered by there masters to keep the cash cow rolling

4: regarding Tommy, it’s early days we will have to wait and see what will unfold with him and what he may or may not go on to do and achieve.

It’s fine for Tyson Fury to say horrendous things because you’ve heard other people say them? It shows he is brave? Fascinating. Presumably it’s also fine for people to say whatever they like about Tyson Fury and his alleged mental illness then? If you read what I wrote I offered no opinion on the matter, though if a man has mental illness spanning ten years or more I’m not sure I believe he should be boxing. That said, anyone with a properly functioning brain wouldn’t box anyway.

Big ticket sellers/TV audience viewer attractions are indeed very rare. I think that has only entered the Tyson Fury discussions because some people have implied that he is deserving of a 50-50 with Joshua as he is as big an attraction which is obviously not the case.

Having seen Tommy Fury Box now, what do you think he plausibly could achieve?

Tbh Lee I don’t think it’s nice for anyone to be saying or acting mean to another human being under any circumstances personally, it’s uncalled for imo, but again that doesn’t mean I’m right because that’s my personal opinion and view,
but it’s not the world we live in unfortunately Lee, and just like you and many people do on here and in life, they have a opinion on everything and everyone, rightly or wrongly, some may offend some may not, but again they are also entitled to it, even if we may or may not agree with there views or comments inside and personally or say so out loud.

regarding does it make him brave ? no, I only regard bravery in people as children battling cancer and fighting through real hard times and illnesses in life, surviving victims and children of abuse or people battling mental illness, that’s the only people or things I would class has brave, but again that’s just my opinion.
my personal preference is I’d rather a man I know where I stand with and will speak his mind even if it offends than a so called man who smiles
to your face and will talk behind your back or hide behind something or someone they’re really not, that I can’t stand.

I do disagree though mate that he is worth a 50/50 split if he was to fight AJ, I mean why wouldn’t he be ?
He is unbeaten, and was undisputed heavyweight world champion and beat the man who no one could for over a decade, he is also the lineal heavyweight champion still so believe that is what he’s worth tbh mate, why should AJ get bigger purse split ? Because he’s supposedly the Now people’s champion, doesn’t work like that, imo it’s just a poor excuse for team AJ to try and use to make the fight not happen, funny thing is Fury doesn’t really care about the money so will probably agree to a smaller cut anyway but imo he’s worth 50/50, he’s earned that and I don’t believe there is no one that could argue otherwise.

Regarding Tommy, as you know your self it’s early days and is easy to say, only time will tell as he steps up in levels and he starts to mature and age, he might not even like Boxing when he gets into it further cuz let’s not beat around the bush here all involved know it’s shady as Fuk and filled with a awful lot of under handed, slimey cu nts, snakes and two faced bitchy, back biting little girls lol and it’s supposed to tough mans sport hahaha

[mickey1975]

If AJ wants either fight, why not take 50-50? It will still be far more than he’ll get against Whyte or Miller.
As for the comments.... Ali got away with much worse, as for the drugs, why is Whyte not slated by Sky every time he wins? I could go on all day.
Fact is, a clean Tyson went to Germany and beat Wlad, AJ beat Martin. He then went to America and in most people’s eyes beat Wilder, 50% match fit and for challenger money. He IS the WORLD champion. Not the Sky Sports News champion.

[lillywhite14]

Who’d have thought a discussion about Tommy Fury would end up a debate about Tyson and Joshua?

Looks like turning pro and riding the coattails of big bro will earn him some moolah so fair play.