Wilder's DAZN Deal.

[Onetimeonly]

mans its a good time to be a high level boxer with dazn around, and we thought haymon over paid

25mil a fight not even for vs aj

and gggs getting like 8 figures per on his deal

and of course canelo around

and then i guess espn+ too, furys supposedly getting a load too.

No doubt, and I don't even know whos watching it.

[kbackup408]

mans its a good time to be a high level boxer with dazn around, and we thought haymon over paid

25mil a fight not even for vs aj

and gggs getting like 8 figures per on his deal

and of course canelo around

and then i guess espn+ too, furys supposedly getting a load too.

No doubt, and I don't even know whos watching it.

yes, taking me lil nipper out of taekwondo class and sticking him in a ring

[Enlightened-One]

Al Haymon will have no problem allowing Deontay Wilder to sign-up with DAZN if he's going to receive in the region of 10% to 15% of his fighters' deal, based on his role as advisor/manager.

[kbackup408]

Al Haymon will have no problem allowing Deontay Wilder to sign-up with DAZN if he's going to receive in the region of 10% to 15% of his fighters' deal, based on his role as advisor/manager.

From what I have observed Al doesn't get a kick out of getting cuts - he likes control over fighters and networks I am still 50-50 if this deal will actually go through

[DrDuke]

Good move for Wilder. He was lucky, that Fury's team saved Wilder from losing his only belt to The Gypsy King. Now Wilder-Joshua seems to be much more real and this is a better chance for Deontay, as 4 belts will be on the line and Joshua is an easier target, than Fury.

Haha give over. Joshua is not an easier target that anyone! They all pose very different threats to each other. Wilder has devastating power. Fury doesn't have the power to really trouble you, but he will outbox you for 12 rounds. Joshua has the balance between outstanding power and boxing ability.

I don't think anyone can honestly say they're confident one beats the other. Anyone that says they do, are only fooling themselves.

Well, Fury had only 2 bad moments in the whole Wilder fight. I was confident in Fury prior to that bout and now I'm damn confident in The Gysy King, if they meet again. And why I shouldn't be? Joshua obviously can't be the same elusive, as Fury is, so he's an easier target. Yeah, his power is much more dangerous, but he won't avoid Wilder's one the same way Fury did and we don't now, how good Joshua can take Wilder's punch. He took Klitschko's and Povetkin's ones well, but Wilder is some other animal.

[Enlightened-One]

Al Haymon will have no problem allowing Deontay Wilder to sign-up with DAZN if he's going to receive in the region of 10% to 15% of his fighters' deal, based on his role as advisor/manager.

From what I have observed Al doesn't get a kick out of getting cuts - he likes control over fighters and networks I am still 50-50 if this deal will actually go through

Yes, you’re right… kind of, but the rules aren't clear-cut.

Al Haymon does perform the role of being a manager to many of the PBC roster, rather than simply an advisor, which means he is legally obliged to act as the primary negotiating agent and representative who holds a “fiduciary duty” to his fighter.

According to ‘The Muhammad Ali Boxing Reform Act’, the manager must always act in the fighter’s best interest.

I understand that Haymon would prefer to possess complete control over his assets, in order to uphold the best interests of the PBC brand, but he will also do his upmost to avoid breaching any laws that could result in him losing several $100m+ lawsuits.

And to be perfectly honest with you, Al Haymon has an excellent relationship with his fighters – they all seem to hold him in high regard, even when they’ve stopped working with him.

We also know that several PBC fighters have appeared on ESPN & DAZN shows. In fact, Danny Jacobs is a Matchroom fighter aligned with DAZN. And Amir Khan is a Matchroom fighter advised by Al Haymon, who is appearing on ESPN for his next outing.

So to a certain extent, Haymon will normally orchestrate a package to ensure his fighters receive a comparable or even better deal that those being offered by ESPN & DAZN in order to ensure they remain on PBC/Fox/Showtime, but this isn’t always possible, hence the exceptions to the rule I've already cited.

[Rob3_142]

Good move for Wilder. He was lucky, that Fury's team saved Wilder from losing his only belt to The Gypsy King. Now Wilder-Joshua seems to be much more real and this is a better chance for Deontay, as 4 belts will be on the line and Joshua is an easier target, than Fury.

Haha give over. Joshua is not an easier target that anyone! They all pose very different threats to each other. Wilder has devastating power. Fury doesn't have the power to really trouble you, but he will outbox you for 12 rounds. Joshua has the balance between outstanding power and boxing ability.

I don't think anyone can honestly say they're confident one beats the other. Anyone that says they do, are only fooling themselves.

Well, Fury had only 2 bad moments in the whole Wilder fight. I was confident in Fury prior to that bout and now I'm damn confident in The Gysy King, if they meet again. And why I shouldn't be? Joshua obviously can't be the same elusive, as Fury is, so he's an easier target. Yeah, his power is much more dangerous, but he won't avoid Wilder's one the same way Fury did and we don't now, how good Joshua can take Wilder's punch. He took Klitschko's and Povetkin's ones well, but Wilder is some other animal.

I wouldn't get so carried away.

It's not like Fury has an ATG chin. He was floored by Cunningham [a regular cruiserweight]. That being said, it is not as simple as someone getting punched in the head, and they hit the floor. It is how they get hit. Can they roll the punches? Can they be awkward? Will they get hit flush? Will they be hit by a big shot and go down, or will they stay on their feet and take a 5-6 punch combo?

Fact of the matter is Fury is tall and awkward. Wilder lacks technique, and is a wild swinger. He buzzes his opposition and then leaps on them. Joshua is a much more accomplished boxer, constructing combinations with variety and accuracy.

You see, the thing is when you're fighting someone like Wilder or Joshua, you really only need one bad moment to end the fight. Fury got away with two knockdowns in the fight. I don't think either were heavy, but it's rare that you get knocked down twice and go on to win the fight [IMO]. My feeling about a rematch, is the same before the previous fight. Fury will win the boxing match all day, but Wilder could end it any moment. If I was him I'd go on a mad offensive from the first bell.

[kbackup408]

Al Haymon will have no problem allowing Deontay Wilder to sign-up with DAZN if he's going to receive in the region of 10% to 15% of his fighters' deal, based on his role as advisor/manager.

From what I have observed Al doesn't get a kick out of getting cuts - he likes control over fighters and networks I am still 50-50 if this deal will actually go through

Yes, you’re right… kind of, but the rules aren't clear-cut.

Al Haymon does perform the role of being a manager to many of the PBC roster, rather than simply an advisor, which means he is legally obliged to act as the primary negotiating agent and representative who holds a “fiduciary duty” to his fighter.

According to ‘The Muhammad Ali Boxing Reform Act’, the manager must always act in the fighter’s best interest.

I understand that Haymon would prefer to possess complete control over his assets, in order to uphold the best interests of the PBC brand, but he will also do his upmost to avoid breaching any laws that could result in him losing several $100m+ lawsuits.

And to be perfectly honest with you, Al Haymon has an excellent relationship with his fighters – they all seem to hold him in high regard, even when they’ve stopped working with him.

We also know that several PBC fighters have appeared on ESPN & DAZN shows. In fact, Danny Jacobs is a Matchroom fighter aligned with DAZN. And Amir Khan is a Matchroom fighter advised by Al Haymon, who is appearing on ESPN for his next outing.

So to a certain extent, Haymon will normally orchestrate a package to ensure his fighters receive a comparable or even better deal that those being offered by ESPN & DAZN in order to ensure they remain on PBC/Fox/Showtime, but this isn’t always possible, hence the exceptions to the rule I've already cited.

I fully respect Al think he does great for his fighters - not heard one fighter come out publicly and say anything bad about him

Just in reference to your Muhammad Ali Reform bit, Al and Top Rank have gone back and forth legally over it (I agree with Arum Al does act like a quasi manager and promoter but he gets around it pushing events through Lou Dibella)

What do you think happens next, Wilder on DAZN is it realistic - SHOW time outta business?

[Enlightened-One]

Al Haymon will have no problem allowing Deontay Wilder to sign-up with DAZN if he's going to receive in the region of 10% to 15% of his fighters' deal, based on his role as advisor/manager.

From what I have observed Al doesn't get a kick out of getting cuts - he likes control over fighters and networks I am still 50-50 if this deal will actually go through

Yes, you’re right… kind of, but the rules aren't clear-cut.

Al Haymon does perform the role of being a manager to many of the PBC roster, rather than simply an advisor, which means he is legally obliged to act as the primary negotiating agent and representative who holds a “fiduciary duty” to his fighter.

According to ‘The Muhammad Ali Boxing Reform Act’, the manager must always act in the fighter’s best interest.

I understand that Haymon would prefer to possess complete control over his assets, in order to uphold the best interests of the PBC brand, but he will also do his upmost to avoid breaching any laws that could result in him losing several $100m+ lawsuits.

And to be perfectly honest with you, Al Haymon has an excellent relationship with his fighters – they all seem to hold him in high regard, even when they’ve stopped working with him.

We also know that several PBC fighters have appeared on ESPN & DAZN shows. In fact, Danny Jacobs is a Matchroom fighter aligned with DAZN. And Amir Khan is a Matchroom fighter advised by Al Haymon, who is appearing on ESPN for his next outing.

So to a certain extent, Haymon will normally orchestrate a package to ensure his fighters receive a comparable or even better deal that those being offered by ESPN & DAZN in order to ensure they remain on PBC/Fox/Showtime, but this isn’t always possible, hence the exceptions to the rule I've already cited.

I fully respect Al think he does great for his fighters - not heard one fighter come out publicly and say anything bad about him

Just in reference to your Muhammad Ali Reform bit, Al and Top Rank have gone back and forth legally over it (I agree with Arum Al does act like a quasi manager and promoter but he gets around it pushing events through Lou Dibella)

What do you think happens next, Wilder on DAZN is it realistic - SHOW time outta business?

Top Rank, Main Events and Golden Boy Promotions all filed lawsuits alleging that Haymon breached several anti-trust laws, as well as the Ali Act, but none of them were successful. They were either quickly dismissed by numerous judges or dropped altogether.

There is no evidence of Al Haymon committing any wrongdoing. The PBC boss doesn’t speak to the media, so no one gets the opportunity to hear his side of the story. The media simply publishes allegations that are rarely refuted but never proven in court.

Last year, I performed some research and discovered that Al Haymon was affiliated with almost 200 fighters, with at least fifty of them rated in the top ten of their respective weight divisions by ESPN and/or The RING, as well as 16 world champions possessing titles from the WBA/WBC/IBF/WBO. I sincerely doubt the situation has changed much since then.

The vast majority of these guys compete under the PBC banner, which means that by proxy they’re also linked with Showtime & FOX, with a only select few of them aligned with Eddie Hearn’s Matchroom. I could be wrong, but I don't think that Golden Boy or Top Rank promotes any fighter affiliated with Al Haymon. Lots of other promoters do work with Al Haymon fighters though, such as Queensberry (who deal with BT & ESPN).

Showtime's three-year deal with the PBC expires sometime around August 2021. It's clear to see that the PBC roster won't be deeply affected by Wilder moving to DAZN.

[kbackup408]

Al Haymon will have no problem allowing Deontay Wilder to sign-up with DAZN if he's going to receive in the region of 10% to 15% of his fighters' deal, based on his role as advisor/manager.

From what I have observed Al doesn't get a kick out of getting cuts - he likes control over fighters and networks I am still 50-50 if this deal will actually go through

Yes, you’re right… kind of, but the rules aren't clear-cut.

Al Haymon does perform the role of being a manager to many of the PBC roster, rather than simply an advisor, which means he is legally obliged to act as the primary negotiating agent and representative who holds a “fiduciary duty” to his fighter.

According to ‘The Muhammad Ali Boxing Reform Act’, the manager must always act in the fighter’s best interest.

I understand that Haymon would prefer to possess complete control over his assets, in order to uphold the best interests of the PBC brand, but he will also do his upmost to avoid breaching any laws that could result in him losing several $100m+ lawsuits.

And to be perfectly honest with you, Al Haymon has an excellent relationship with his fighters – they all seem to hold him in high regard, even when they’ve stopped working with him.

We also know that several PBC fighters have appeared on ESPN & DAZN shows. In fact, Danny Jacobs is a Matchroom fighter aligned with DAZN. And Amir Khan is a Matchroom fighter advised by Al Haymon, who is appearing on ESPN for his next outing.

So to a certain extent, Haymon will normally orchestrate a package to ensure his fighters receive a comparable or even better deal that those being offered by ESPN & DAZN in order to ensure they remain on PBC/Fox/Showtime, but this isn’t always possible, hence the exceptions to the rule I've already cited.

I fully respect Al think he does great for his fighters - not heard one fighter come out publicly and say anything bad about him

Just in reference to your Muhammad Ali Reform bit, Al and Top Rank have gone back and forth legally over it (I agree with Arum Al does act like a quasi manager and promoter but he gets around it pushing events through Lou Dibella)

What do you think happens next, Wilder on DAZN is it realistic - SHOW time outta business?

Last year, I performed some research and discovered that Al Haymon was affiliated with almost 200 fighters, with at least fifty of them rated in the top ten of their respective weight divisions by ESPN and/or The RING, as well as 16 world champions possessing titles from the WBA/WBC/IBF/WBO. I sincerely doubt the situation has changed much since then.

The vast majority of these guys compete under the PBC banner, which means that by proxy they’re also linked with Showtime & FOX, with a only select few of them aligned with Eddie Hearn’s Matchroom. I could be wrong, but I don't think that Golden Boy or Top Rank promotes any fighter affiliated with Al Haymon. Lots of other promoters do work with Al Haymon fighters though, such as Queensberry (who deal with BT & ESPN).

Showtime's three-year deal with the PBC expires sometime around August 2021. It's clear to see that the PBC roster won't be deeply affected by Wilder moving to DAZN.

enlightened by name and enlightened by knowledge - thanks for sharing this mate always like learning about the ins and outs of boxing more in particular Al (rarely seen in public) !

[Enlightened-One]

Al Haymon will have no problem allowing Deontay Wilder to sign-up with DAZN if he's going to receive in the region of 10% to 15% of his fighters' deal, based on his role as advisor/manager.

From what I have observed Al doesn't get a kick out of getting cuts - he likes control over fighters and networks I am still 50-50 if this deal will actually go through

Yes, you’re right… kind of, but the rules aren't clear-cut.

Al Haymon does perform the role of being a manager to many of the PBC roster, rather than simply an advisor, which means he is legally obliged to act as the primary negotiating agent and representative who holds a “fiduciary duty” to his fighter.

According to ‘The Muhammad Ali Boxing Reform Act’, the manager must always act in the fighter’s best interest.

I understand that Haymon would prefer to possess complete control over his assets, in order to uphold the best interests of the PBC brand, but he will also do his upmost to avoid breaching any laws that could result in him losing several $100m+ lawsuits.

And to be perfectly honest with you, Al Haymon has an excellent relationship with his fighters – they all seem to hold him in high regard, even when they’ve stopped working with him.

We also know that several PBC fighters have appeared on ESPN & DAZN shows. In fact, Danny Jacobs is a Matchroom fighter aligned with DAZN. And Amir Khan is a Matchroom fighter advised by Al Haymon, who is appearing on ESPN for his next outing.

So to a certain extent, Haymon will normally orchestrate a package to ensure his fighters receive a comparable or even better deal that those being offered by ESPN & DAZN in order to ensure they remain on PBC/Fox/Showtime, but this isn’t always possible, hence the exceptions to the rule I've already cited.

I fully respect Al think he does great for his fighters - not heard one fighter come out publicly and say anything bad about him

Just in reference to your Muhammad Ali Reform bit, Al and Top Rank have gone back and forth legally over it (I agree with Arum Al does act like a quasi manager and promoter but he gets around it pushing events through Lou Dibella)

What do you think happens next, Wilder on DAZN is it realistic - SHOW time outta business?

Last year, I performed some research and discovered that Al Haymon was affiliated with almost 200 fighters, with at least fifty of them rated in the top ten of their respective weight divisions by ESPN and/or The RING, as well as 16 world champions possessing titles from the WBA/WBC/IBF/WBO. I sincerely doubt the situation has changed much since then.

The vast majority of these guys compete under the PBC banner, which means that by proxy they’re also linked with Showtime & FOX, with a only select few of them aligned with Eddie Hearn’s Matchroom. I could be wrong, but I don't think that Golden Boy or Top Rank promotes any fighter affiliated with Al Haymon. Lots of other promoters do work with Al Haymon fighters though, such as Queensberry (who deal with BT & ESPN).

Showtime's three-year deal with the PBC expires sometime around August 2021. It's clear to see that the PBC roster won't be deeply affected by Wilder moving to DAZN.

enlightened by name and enlightened by knowledge - thanks for sharing this mate always like learning about the ins and outs of boxing more in particular Al (rarely seen in public) !

Much appreciated.

[Tony1244]

Usyk, whyte & definitely old klitschko as opponents would all eff him up. That said he should definitely take the deal: first, last & only time he would get the really big bucks.

Are you being serious?

[kbackup408]

Usyk, whyte & definitely old klitschko as opponents would all eff him up. That said he should definitely take the deal: first, last & only time he would get the really big bucks.

you must really hate Wilder? think Wilder beats Klit and Whyte not sure about Usyk

[oogiebe]

Usyk, whyte & definitely old klitschko as opponents would all eff him up. That said he should definitely take the deal: first, last & only time he would get the really big bucks.

you must really hate Wilder? think Wilder beats Klit and Whyte not sure about Usyk

A bit biased ya' think?!

[Thomastearns]

Usyk, whyte & definitely old klitschko as opponents would all eff him up. That said he should definitely take the deal: first, last & only time he would get the really big bucks.

you must really hate Wilder? think Wilder beats Klit and Whyte not sure about Usyk

A bit biased ya' think?!

Wilder can stop anyone. Each round against him is like Russian roulette, for anyone no matter how skilled.

Interesting to see what he's learnt from the Fury fight. No one fights like Deontay Wilder.

I think Joshua is Wilder's biggest problem because AJ is the only one who can fight fire with fire.

[jamamb]

hard for me to think wilder will learn much at going on 34 and really showing very little technical improvment for a while

wilder will live and die by his power and natural tools till hes done

[KiwiRider]

Sooner or later DAZN's backers are going to start asking questions. Somebody had better had done their sums right or else it will end in litigation and tears.

The great thing for us fans is that the DAZN are making these fighters sign away their freedom - freedom to avoid fights that is.

All good, the best thing to happen in boxing for years.

Let's not start kissing in the showers yet. Let's wait and see the actual matchups to fall into place.

Im ready!

[oogiebe]

Sooner or later DAZN's backers are going to start asking questions. Somebody had better had done their sums right or else it will end in litigation and tears.

The great thing for us fans is that the DAZN are making these fighters sign away their freedom - freedom to avoid fights that is.

All good, the best thing to happen in boxing for years.

Let's not start kissing in the showers yet. Let's wait and see the actual matchups to fall into place.

Im ready!

...I don't know exactly how to respond...

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I've been reading today that the deal that's been reported isn't correct, and it's actually this:

$20m to fight Breazeale, $40m to fight Joshua, then another $40m for a rematch (not sure if that's fixed or dependent on the result of fight 1).

Total $100m for 3 fights.

I've also seen a Benson tweet that it's going to be rejected. Utter lunacy, if true.

[SenorPipino]

I've been reading today that the deal that's been reported isn't correct, and it's actually this:

$20m to fight Breazeale, $40m to fight Joshua, then another $40m for a rematch (not sure if that's fixed or dependent on the result of fight 1).

Total $100m for 3 fights.

I've also seen a Benson tweet that it's going to be rejected. Utter lunacy, if true.

$33 million per fight in today's market seems about right.

That $50 million for 2 fights seems pretty lowball for a power punching heavyweight champion.

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$33 million per fight in today's market seems about right.

That $50 million for 2 fights seems pretty lowball for a power punching heavyweight champion.

[oogiebe]

Several sites are reporting that Wilder will be rejecting the 100 million dollar offer from DAZN. Sites include Boxing News 24 and others. The interesting thing is that another site has him signing five hours ago. More to come. More HW confusion.

[oogiebe]

Rumor is that Wilder rejects the deal because no Joshua fight is included. Also reported is that AJ and his team don't want a Wilder fight until March of 2021. (that isn't a typo). I don't know how much of any of this I believe.

[marvelous marv]

It should be Joshua next or a Breazeale mandatory while waiting for Joshua.

[oogiebe]

He turns this down, I'm done with him as I can't think of any good reason why he wouldn't sign. UGH!!