Classic American West Coast Boxing

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scartissue wrote: 09 Apr 2019, 09:12 I remember reading up on the 3rd Heair-Mayan fight at that time and just couldn't understand it. Heair had outclassed him twice and I recall thinking 'what is happening to Jimmy?' Around the same time I had watched the second fight between Sammy Goss and Jose Fernandez of the east coast and the same thing happening. Goss had outclassed Jose twice and the third time he gets beat. My first thought of course is Heair and Goss were slipping rather than Mayan and Fernandez improved. But i remember Mayan as being very Lobito Montoya-ish. A fighter with a great jaw - not a great wallop - who will come to fight. 9 times out of 10 he will lose to the house fighter but go the distance. A promoters dream. But Heair's nightmare that night.
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The only thing I can think of is that Jimmy Heair fought too much.In 13 years as a pro he fought over 130 times. He wasn't a world class fighter like a Duran or DeJesus.He didn't fight a lot of those kind of guys,and when he did,he lost. He fought fighters(like Mayan)who he had beaten and instead of moving up he fought them again. Like you say he was a promoters fighter,but he knew his limitations and fought to keep food on the table. Mike Mayan's career was very similar.
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The Kid Who loved To Fight

I worked for a Chicano principal who went to school with Bobby Chacon when he lived in the projects in Pacoima.My principal was kind of an easy going guy ,but he was street smart and knew how to survive by rolling with the punches and being himself.. Bobby Chacon was street smart and survived by taking care of things with his fists. My principal told me that Bobby would get into a fight just about everyday. Most of those scraps were behind the neighborhood liquor store in the vacant lot. There didn't have to be a particular reason for a fight. Bobby would make up a reason just so he could fight anybody. My principal said the he and Bobby were pretty close growing up. It was like Yin and Yang. Bobby was the volatile one.My principal was laid back.

My principal had an older brother who didn't get as close to Bobby as his brother. When Bobby fought those times with Ruben Olivares my principal said that his brother wanted Ruben to win.When my principal landed another position with the district I gave him a painting of Bobby.He told me he had it hanging over the fireplace. If Bobby hadn't have taken up boxing he probably would have wound up in jail or shot to death.But it wasn't like boxing served as a safety valve for the violence. Bobby still liked to fight even when it wasn't inside the ring.But he wasn't a killer. He didn't shoot people from a passing car of sneak up from behind and stick a knife in the back. It was face to face with him put up your fists.

I got to know him a little at the end after his career was over, After he blew all his money and got hooked on crack cocaine..When he was homeless. After his wife couldn't take it any longer and tragically took her life. When his teenage son became a statistic in a gang shooting. With all the hardships and tragedies Bobby still loved to fight. When asked why he continued to fight when his world around him was collapsing he said "I didn't care."

His words weren't contemptuous. He didn't sound angry or bitter.At the time the dementia had got hold of him. His voice was sullen. He came down from the craziness to say that he just didn't care. When i'd see him at the annual boxing conventions in Los Angeles he was with his caretaker,Rosie. she was cute ,but seemed on edge when she was at his side. Bobby was like a little kid who had thrown his Ritalin bottle in the garbage. You never knew what he was going to do next. He wouldn't obey. His mouth was filterless.Sometimes he would seem very happy,but his envelope was always sitting on the edge.The shrinks could have written tomes regarding his behavior.

Outsiders viewed him from a distance. They didn't want to get too close. He might flip his switch, they imagined, and do something that would either cause embarrassment or worse,bodily harm. I remember at an autograph session he was sitting next to George Chuvalo. All of a sudden Bobby lunged at Big George accusing him of stealing his pen. Bobby had to be pulled off the bewildered Chuvalo.Fighters and street people understood him.They were Ok with Bobby. Armando Muniz would see Bobby carrying on like a contortionist on speed and just say"There's Bobby." My wife always got a big kick out of him. For her Bobby was harmless. He was just a little boy who wouldn't behave.She didn't see anything wrong with him. Most women would be too scared to get a hundred feet from Bobby.

At one of the boxing events I saw that the bloodsuckers had him cornered stroking him with cigars so he would sign everything they could put in front of him.They didn't give a s--t about Bobby. They just wanted his autograph so they could turn around and sell the stuff on Ebay. I gave him one of my paintings once. He got all excited and jumped on me giving me a smack on the cheek.

When I heard of his passing at the hospice I felt really bad. I told my wife and she sighed.
"Poor Bobby,"she said."I like him. He was funny."
Bobby Chacon.He was funny.He did what he wanted.He didn't look back.And he loved to fight.

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A lot of people believe an authentic tough guy doesn't hit a woman. Of course, that's not true. Chacon,Robinson and Lamotta-just to name a few- were all wife/ woman beaters.
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goose 5 wrote: 09 Apr 2019, 20:53 A lot of people believe an authentic tough guy doesn't hit a woman. Of course, that's not true. Chacon,Robinson and Lamotta-just to name a few- were all wife/ woman beaters.
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An authentic tough guy DOESN'T hit women. Bobby Chacon hit women. The above mentioned wives tried to keep their marriages together hoping that with the birth of their kids their husbands would grow up. Eventually, they couldn't take the abuse anymore. Bobby Chacon was a tough guy when he fought men,a coward when he struck women. Being a tough guy liking to fight doesn't necessarily make you a man. It's not knowing how to fight that makes you a man,it's knowing when to fight. You can get your ass whipped and still come out a winner. With that said I'm sure that the women who were parts of the lives of Robinson,LaMotta,and Bobby Chacon shed a tear when those guys left this earth. Women see the good. They keep a dream. To smack a woman around is reprehensible. I've never struck a woman and I'm sure Bobby Chacon could have kicked my ass.
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The Aragon Fight

I was watching an old episode of the TV detective show Dragnet the other night. I'm talking about the early Dragnet.Joe Friday, played by the incomparable Jack Webb, had a couple of partners before they settled on Ben Alexander playing the part of Officer Frank Smith. He was the best of Joe Friday's partners. Friday was fit,a man of few words,humorless,and a confirmed bachelor.Frank Smith was roly poly,loquacious, comical,and married with a couple of kids.The episode I was watching had to be in the early 50's. I won't go into any details about the storyline.I just want to pass on something that was mentioned between Friday and Smith in the police locker room. The two were making small talk when Friday says to Smith that tonight was the night of the "Aragon fight." That was pretty big stuff in the LA sports world back then. Art"The Golden Boy"Aragon was the talk of the town.There were no major league baseball teams then.The Dodgers didn't move out to the coast until 1958. The Lakers basketball team was still in Minneapolis. The Rams were in the All-America Football Conference that was a step behind the NFL. It was Art Aragon who was the King Of LA.

But if Los Angeles was lacking in big time sports franchises comprising of household name stars,it was the capital of the Sliver Screen. So when there was a big fight featuring Art Aragon at the Olympic Auditorium or the Hollywood Legion Stadium,the silver screeners would be sitting ringside wanting to watch the Golden Boy.

Sometimes I think the worst thing that ever happened to Art Aragon was for him to make his career based in Los Angeles.Bombshells like Marilyn Monroe,Mamie Van Doren, and Jayne Mansfield stepped into the sack with Art after he stepped out of the ring after a fight.He was married four times and was before the judge in divorce court so often that later, after his boxing career ended ,opened up a bail bond business. His motto was"I'll get you out of jail if it takes me ten years."

The Tinsel Town directors were very fond of him,including a lot of the stars.He was buddies with war hero Audie Murphy.Art was in Audie's platoon in To Hell And Back.Art named one of his sons Audie. I thought he was a natural when it came to acting. He just played himself in the movies. He was great as a trainer in John Huston's fight film,Fat City.

I saw him the year before he passed away. He was at a father and son Boxing banquet with his sons at Stevens Steak House in the City Of Industry. He was his usual outgoing self moving from table to table taking command.I don't know what prompted it,but I heard him shout as he was making the rounds at one of the tables ,something that turned a lot of heads.
"So you think you were a fighter,"he was chiding at somebody of no particular importance."You were no fighter.Who are you trying to bull s--t?"
He then turned and walked away like he just landed his ol' one two.

That Art Aragon.He sure was a character. They don't make 'em like that anymore.He could elicit something from just about anyone. He could even get a tight lipped Joe Friday to drop his name.

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I'm sure a lot of people project virtue onto athletic stars. I loved Robinson and Chacon and still respect them as fighters but I could never again feel the same way about them as men.
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goose 5 wrote: 10 Apr 2019, 20:18 I'm sure a lot of people project virtue onto athletic stars. I loved Robinson and Chacon and still respect them as fighters but I could never again feel the same way about them as men.

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Years ago at a fight out at the Stub Hub center (I think it was when it was the Home Depot) one of my friends shouted over "Hey It's Bobby Chacon. What's up champ?", and Bobby just looked at him and give him the finger and walked off. The dementia had well and truly kicked in and he probably didn't know what he was doing by then. Very sad.
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chrisjs1985 wrote: 11 Apr 2019, 12:09 Years ago at a fight out at the Stub Hub center (I think it was when it was the Home Depot) one of my friends shouted over "Hey It's Bobby Chacon. What's up champ?", and Bobby just looked at him and give him the finger and walked off. The dementia had well and truly kicked in and he probably didn't know what he was doing by then. Very sad.
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Rosie,who was one of Bobby's caretakers was very on edge around him.She never knew when he'd "go off" and do something that would not only danger him,but put her in harms way.


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Merchant Of Evil

I never cared for Larry Merchant. I always thought he was a devious little twerp. He was at the Ali/Liston fight in Lewistown,Maine and he kind of reminded me of being an opportunist like his counterpart Howard Cosell. The period after Marciano retired and when just before Clay(Ali) won the heavyweight championship there was a doldrum in the sport. The lighter and middle divisions were good and competitive,but without a bonafide heavyweight champion,the sport seemed like it was losing its appeal. Floyd Patterson could have sparked more interest,but he had a manger who handpicked his opponents instead of putting him in there with guys who were ranked 1,2,3. America,at that time,thought the heavyweight title belt should be worn around the waist of a Yank. Patterson qualified with the correct citizenship,but he left doubt in the minds of the fans regarding his talent. When Sonny Liston knocked him out twice within four minutes the boxing public felt they got their answer about Floyd's ability. But Sonny wasn't sunny on the outside and he turned a lot of people off. With Clay shocking the world, the wind returned to boxing's sails and people began jumping on the bandwagon. One of the hop on guys was Merchant.

It used to be when you heard a fight on the radio or turned on the old Sylvania to watch the action there was only one announcer doing the round by round description. A little later the networks brought in a "color man",usually an ex or current fighter, to complement the anchor by adding some inside expertise. But the media spin doctors didn't think that two was enough and they started going with a third wheel in the booth.We have them today and it looks like we're stuck with them. But the two who bulldozed their way in first were Cosell and Larry Merchant.

Merchant was a self absorbed know -it-all who thought his opinion was the only one that should be chiseled on tablets of stone.But it was his sarcasm and the way he tried to manipulate minds by putting his deceitful words into unsuspecting mouths that me want to kick my television screen.

I remember I was watching Greg Page fight on TV.Page wasn't in the best shape and was trying to get back on track after going through a bad spell. Merchant was doing his usual contradicting self important monologue behind the microphone when I guess he thought he had to push the envelope over the cliff.
"Look at the flab on Page's chest!"exclaimed an excited Larry."He should be wearing a bra. They should call him C cup."
I forget who else was in the booth with him,but they didn't respond to the stupidity.But that didn't stop Larry. Maybe he thought they didn't hear him so he kept it up with the "C cup" stuff always finishing the barb with a nervous giggle.I was hoping the other guys in the booth would have gotten up to piss on him.

Merchant did a piece on the Danny Lopez/Bobby Chacon match and how it was a big fight in the Southland.Bobby had his way with Danny that night. Merchant talked with both fighters separately. First he sat down with Chacon. Bobby had slipped pretty far down by then.It was painful to see him try to respond. But Larry wasn't afraid to take advantage of the handicapped. He began pressing Chacon about his wife's suicide.If I'd been there I would have acted like Joseph Welch who was Army counsel at the McCarthy hearings who said to the Wisconsin senator,
"I think I never really gauged your sense of cruelty or recklessness...have you no sense of decency?"
After he finished with Chacon, Larry tried to put Little Red on the hot seat.
"Now that we see how Bobby is today don't you think that you came out the winner?"
Then the little brother of Ernie Indian Red said something I'll never forget.
"Oh no,"said Danny in an unassuming voice."He beat me that night fair and square."
I could have kissed him on the mouth.

Tried to trick the guy didn't you Larry? That was your plan. Wanting to break a broken down fighter into dust. It didn't work. I guess you're still somewhere around but I haven't seen your face on the TV for years. That's good. If I wanted to look you up I suppose I'd have to sift my hands through the grass and find you with all the other snakes

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The Wedding Band


I took a drive down to the CREA gym in Tijuana to see what was going on with Romulo Rodarte and his fighters.The weather was beginning to warm up.The day was slow moving. I got lucky and found a parking spot on the street near the gym. There weren't many people on the premises.i saw some kids shooting baskets at a rim that had no net.The soccer field didn't have any grass left. Just dirt and rocks that swirled up dust when a gust of wind blew. Trash was spilling out of the rusty trash cans onto the cement sidewalk leading to the gym. I walked inside.There was no one downstairs so I walked up to the second floor where the ring was. It was early. No fighters had arrived but I saw Romulo setting out the headgears and the gloves on the mantle on the wall. He looked up from what he was doing and when he saw me he gave me one of his warm smiles. Romulo didn't monkey around when he was training his fighters,but when he was not instructing he was a real nice fellow who gave you his time freely.
"So when is Benny going to get tired of staying home with the kid and get back to the gym and begin fighting again?"I asked Romulo.
"Benny won';t be fighting any more.He's dead."
For a moment I thought Romulo was joking,but the look in his eyes didn't suggest any trickery. I felt an emptiness all of a sudden.
"What do you mean? When I was here the last time you said that he gave up boxing and was staying at home taking care of the kid while his wife was working."
Romulo crimped his mouth.
"He came back for a couple of weeks but he was really out of shape. He didn't have it anymore. He left one day and never came back. The word on the street was that he went to work for one of the cartels.That was just before the new year. Last weekend they found his body in Los Pinos. They chopped his head off."
"I don't believe it,"I mumbled.
"When they found the body his wife identified his wedding band."
"I really thought he would get somewhere with fighting."
"So did I.But when he lost that decision at the hipodromo for the state title he got down on himself.Then he got his girlfriend pregnant.He put himself in a corner."
"But the cartels.That surprises me."
"Why would that surprise you?What else was he going to do in Tijuana to make the kind of money he did when fighting?"
I had no answer. I could have made something up,but he wouldn't have believed it.
"Things ae getting pretty bad in Tijuana aren't they?,"I said."Last year there were 900 murders."
"There were over 2500 murders last year and this year there will be even more.Tijuana is the murder capital of the world."
"The murder capital of the world?Is it the cartels going after each other?"
"The cartels,the police,the army,the dealers on the street. It's out of control. The papers say that seven people a day are murdered in Tijuana."
That news didn't make my empty feeling go away.
"They put the statistics in the paper the other day,"said Romulo."For every 100,000 people in Tijuana.146 are murdered. In San Diego that has less people than Tijuana only 34 murders happened last year.That's 2 out of every 100,000."
"You don't really see it,"I said vacantly."But you can feel it."
"There's nothing we can do but learn to live with it."
I couldn't add anything to what he was saying.
"That's a shame what happened to Benny."
"You know he was lucky to be wearing his wedding band. Not many Mexican men believe in that,"said Romulo.

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All The Rings A Stage

I've got mixed feelings about the former California light heavyweight Ray "Windmill" White. If you ask anyone who ever saw him fight the first thing they'll bring up is how The Windmill clowned around in the ring. I don't anything else to call it. He was a gangly fighter that had long arms that were double jointed. At 6ft. 4in. frame and sporting a bald head, he'd spasmodically jump and jerk himself around the ring.His punching arsenal was an olio of swings from his around the back the punch,the loop the loop uppercuts,the winding up windmill swat... think of anything goofy and White probably tried it out on an opponent.With Ray in his corner was the eccentric Baron Von Stume(can't believe that was his real name) with his Snidely Whiplash mustache.Together they looked like they were auditioning for a P.T. Barnum sideshow.

Ray fought "funny" but he wasn't very likeable in the ring. He never smiled or talked to the crowd. With his deadpan shenanigans and his mentor The Baron putting out the stool after each round ,the duo didn't elicit what I'd call a "warm" following. That pair was boxing's curiosity piece. On the surface it was weird. Not only was it eerie,,but I was waiting for something really bizarre to happen so they'd have to call in the guys with the straightjackets.

I saw Ray White fight at the Coliseum one night against Jesse Burnett. Ray was doing his usual boxing routine that looked like he was going into a seizure when all of a sudden he flopped down on the canvas like he really had a grand mal. I thought he might have had a stroke.But when the ref reached the count of "9" Ray leaped to his feet like a jack in the box.Of course the crowd is laughing but I figured if you wanted to see something like that there were always the wrestling matches on Friday night.

Well,Ray'was back on his feet. He looked OK,but bam! -there he went again flopping on the mat like a mackerel on the deck of a fishing boat. Well,the ref Frank Rustich said I ain't buying into this anymore and waved the fight off.He didn't even start a count.Ray then did his jack in the box leap and then jumped like a gazelle over the top ring rope and stormed out the door in a huff not bothering to take off his gloves or to wait for the Baron to put on his robe.

I'll side with the people who called Windmill an entertainer. However, there were writers and fighters that thought Ray made a sham out of the sport.Ray can say his biggest shows were not in the ring but on television. He sat down with Johnny,Merv,and Mike in the studio.I believe he's been honored by all the California boxing hall of fames. But I think Ray "Windmill" White wants to be recognized as a real fighter instead of a fake showman.

When I see him at the boxing conventions he's always immaculately donned in a tailored suit. He talks with reservation and effuses a pleasant aura. But then someone will bring up the slapstick. That's when Ray will dip his head and move away to someone else.I was having a very nice conversation with him when I brought up that I'd seen him fight Jesse Burnett at the Coliseum and the part about how he exited the ring. I didn't mean to embarrass him,but I could see the resignation on his face. That was the end of our talk.

When the Windmill was inducted into the West Coast Boxing Hall Of Fame,Rick Farris told me that Ray had brought a DVD of one of his fights. He wanted Rick to show it to the audience. His reasoning was that he wanted the fans to appreciate his defensive skills. The ceremony was structured so there wasn't any time to see Ray's highlight reel.

Ray got to the dais and made his speech. it fell a little flat. The fans remembered him back then and it was like now they wanted to get Ray out of the way.

Ray instructs boxing at a gym in Ventura County. I can't believe he shows any of those kids the punch from around the back or the loop the loop uppercut. I don't think he wants to be noted nor remembered for being a clown of boxing. But then again,Jesse Burnett never got invited on the Johnny Carson Show.

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A Mexican Misnomer

I'll be off the thread for a couple of weeks. My wife and I will be going to her hometown Jiquilpan,Michoacan..We'll stay in our house.There'll be plenty of friends and family around. My wife will do a lot of cooking. She never tires of feeding everybody that comes over-and there'll be plenty of them. Every time I go to Jiquilpan I think of my friend,the ex WBC lightweight champ,Rodolfo "Gato"Gonzalez. When I tell Rodolfo that I'm going to Jiquilpan,he puts on a happy/sad face.
"Oh Roger.I wish I could go with you."
"You have an open invitation.Just let me know."

Rodolfo, who comes from a good bloodline of fighters(his uncle was Joe Becerra and his cousin Alacran Torres )was brought to the gym in Guadalajara by his boxing kin schooling him on the sweet science. Rodolfo made it up the hard way.No amateur fights,He was sent into the lion's den with fighters who had amassed professional records and who were a decade older than the raw 15 year old young pro. Many of his early fights were in Jiquilpan at the Plaza De Toros. Jiquilpan is a typical pueblo in Mexico,so typical that the government has officially declared Jiquilpan a "Pueblo Magico", The Mexican's government definition of a Pueblo Magico is "a town that produces a 'magical' experience-by reason of their natural beauty,cultural richness,traditions,folklore,historical relevance,cuisine,arts,crafts,and great hospitality."As of today there are 122 of these magic towns. Jiquilpan is on the list.

But people are the same all over when it comes to the basics. Wanting to live a good life,at least a comfortable one,requires having enough money to achieve this want. There aren't many jobs in Jiquilpan. There are even fewer good paying jobs. More and more people are struggling. Their conversations aren't about any magic towns. They don't see the fortune in their town's title.It's a black magic. Something they don't talk about because you can't buy groceries magically,unless you possess a witchcraft. I've never heard anyone in Jiquilpan talk about the fact that they live in a town that's been bestowed with any enchantment..There are signs and monuments in the plaza advertising that Jiquilpan is a Pueblo Magico. People walk by the structures without giving them look.

Rodolfo Gonzalez was a gifted fighter.He was a hungry fighter.It translated into a 36 fight win streak out of the gate. Granted ,most of those victims were in the same snake pit with Rodolfo.They were of similar ilk,but it was Rodolfo who conquered repeatedly. The victories were earned in central Mexico in other rural towns with similar makeups as Jiquilpan. Towns that had those Indian names that many Mexicans can't even pronounce-Yurecuaro,Atotonilco,Atemajac,and Ixtlan de los Hervores. They weren't magic towns and didn't possess any more wizardry than Jiquilpan.To step into the ring you had to have more than luck.

My wife wants to sell the house. It's her decision,but I think it would be for the best. In the last few years I've noticed the smiles disappear,at least they aren't as frequent. It's come down to either going down with the ship or finding a life boat and rowing to some place better. "Better" is rowing north. Heading south it gets even worse.

When Rodolfo Gonzalez tells me he wishes he could go with us to Jiquilpan,there's a part of me that says he shouldn't pack his suitcase too full. No one cares about boxing matches.Canelo is almost like a novelty. The soccer stadiums are unfilled. Families are separated.The family can't stay together anymore. It's like half of Mexico has migrated to the United States. Visa are getting harder and harder to get. Legal immigration runs into the thousands of dollars. Illegal crossings cost a king's ransom. Parents and children haven't see each other for decades. The unofficial government is run by gangs like La Familia,the Sinaloa Cartel,the Gulf Cartel,and The New Generation. There's no rabbit to be pulled out of a hat to fix things.If there's any magic in Jiquilpan it's on that big sign in front of the Chamber Of Commerce building.

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Talking To The Wind

"I don't remember the wind blowing this hard in April,"I said to my brother in law.
"No this is very rare,"he said.
My brother in law Jose Luis came over in the morning to visit his sister and have a cup of coffee and something to eat. My wife and I had flown in from San Diego the night before.We were going to stay a couple of weeks in our house in Jiquilpan.For my wife it was to catch up on things with her family.It would be a revolving front door every day.My wife brought gifts for everybody. I'd come out and say hello. I'd chat for awhile,but neither my wife's family nor myself wanted to go beyond any pretenses. Gossip was at the core of every conversation. I didn't want to take any sides so making small talk was sufficient as far as I was concerned. My brother in law Jose and I were sitting at the dining room table having a cup of coffee while my wife was in the bedroom changing her clothes.
"Rogelio,"said my brother in law." I couldn't get out of bed for three days with this cold. My nose was running and my eyes were watering.I still have this cough.It's this pinchi wind that makes things bad."
Jose has diabetes,a disease which seems to be rampant in Mexico. His heart is giving him problems and he has a difficult time walking. His ankles are purple and swollen
"Panchis is still in the clinic for the drugs,"he continued on transitioning from one dismal subject to the other without taking pause to think.
"Do you visit him?"I asked.
"Chingalo,"he smirked."Why should I? He attacked me for no cause.He broke my rib and lacerated my arm. He's no son of mine."
"Where is the clinic?"
"In the next town in San Pedro.He's been there five months.His mother visits him but I won't."
"Does Esperanza say how he's doing?"
"She says he's improving,but that's what mothers say when their son is in a place like that. The psychologists trusted him and his friends to go into town for a few hours by themselves,but Panchis left the group and went to a bar and got drunk.He lost their trust.Chinga la madre."
"Maybe he'll get better,"I said wanting to express some hope.
"He's no good. The drugs control him like they did with his brother. I heard him say to Carlitos the night he overdosed that life is to be lived freely.The next morning Carlitos was dead in his bed. It will be just a matter of time for my other son."
"He could come around,"I said.
"When he gets out he'll just go back with his friends and then he'll return to the drugs."
"Remember Julio Cesar Chavez?His brother ran a clinic.Some robbers broke into his house asking for money.He gave them some,but they wanted more. When he told them he didn't have anymore money they shot him in front of his family.I never heard if they caught the killers."
"The police are in on everything here including the drugs."
"It doesn't surprise me,"I said.
"Pinchi cabrones,"rattled my brother in law.
"Things never change,"I said
"No.No,"mumbled Jose looking into his coffee cup.
"Did you hear anything about who killed Chavez's brother?"
"I don't know. I didn't know that happened."
"To think that they would do that to one of their heroes,"I said.
Jose kept staring into his coffee cup. I thought I'd change the subject again.
"Besides Lazaro Cardenas,Jiquipan had another president,"I said."Augustin Bustamante.That's very good for such a little pueblo like Jiquilpan.The director of the cultural center wants me to do a painting of both of them."
Jose looked up at me with gazed eyes.
"Maria and I drove up to Paredones yesterday," I said again shifting gears.
"I haven't been up there in ten years,"murmured Jose."The ranch is gone. Nothing but weeds.Just a handful of people are left."
"Did you know that Juan "The Baby Bull" Diaz the lightweight champ was born in Paredones?"
Jose was back staring into his coffee.
"He moved to Indio with his family when he was just a kid,"I said.
"Who did you say that was?"
"Juan Diaz.The Baby Bull."
Everything was still.
"Esperanza is upset with me because I won't visit Panchis,"complained Jose."She thinks I'm not a good father."
I preferred to let him go on and eventually run out of steam.
"She was no good for a wife. She never worked out for me.Always standing up for the kids.I should have never married her,but I had to when she got pregnant. Her family would have killed me if I didn't."
There were two sides to that story,but I was in no mood for to get into that discussion.
"The director of the cultural center wants me also to do a painting of Rafael Mendez,"I said trying to invoke some levity.
"Who's that?"said Jose staring away from me..
"You know.Rafael Mendez. The famous trumpet player. When he was a boy Pancho Villa heard him play and asked his parents if he could blow the bugle in the cavalry charge. When they refused Villa said he would shoot them so they let their son ride with Villa and his dorados.Rafael Mendez went on to play in America."
Jose finished his coffee. Just then his sister came out from the bedroom.
"Jose.Can I fix you some breakfast?I have chepos or I can make you some ham and eggs."
"I still have this pinchi cold,"he sniffled."If you have a Coca Cola I'll drink that."
My wife walked to the refrigerator and came back with a bottle of Coke.
"What were you two talking about?"asked my wife.
"I was telling Rogelio that if Panchis ever tries to hit me again I'll have a gun waiting for him."
"Couldn't you two think of talking about anything more pleasant?"asked my wife.

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In The Right Hands

The three significant losses in James "The Heat" Kinchen's career were split decision losses to James Shuler and Iran Barkley and the short end of a MD to Thomas Hearns. All three of those decisions stunk. If he beats Shuler, Heat gets the title shot with Marvin Hagler. If Kinchen gets his hand raised against Barkley then he's looking at marquis names for fights down the road.If he beats Hearns he's the super middleweight champ of the world. You figure there's always gonna' be some bad calls when you're a fighter,but three bum decisions ,when so much is on the line, can sour a guy and take the drive out of him.

I've talked to Kinchen about those three losses. James is a reverend at The Helping Hands Of God Church in the east community of Encanto in San Diego. I'm the only one in the flock that knows anything about his fistic career. He appreciates that but doesn't really care for any adoration. About the three losses James looks at it as something that comes with the territory. The Shuler fight was in his back yard in Atlantic City. Barkley was no stranger to the big venues on the east coast. Their fight was held in Atlantic City. Hearns thought it was going to be a cakewalk with James because he had been put to sleep by Juan Roldan,a fighter Tommy had flattened in four rounds prior to his match with Kinchen. The Heat /Hitman affair was staged in Las Vegas the Mecca for mysterious decisions. Besides,Tommy Hearns had the name with the rep.Heat decked Tommy in the 4th round. As the fight moved along it was apparant that Tommy's big guns had little effect on Kinchen. Three opponents that Hearns couldn't dent were Ray Leonard,Iran Barkley,and James Kinchen. Tommy held all the aces in Vegas that night.His next fight is a rematch with Leonard.Kinchen finishes his career losing 4 out of 8. I sometimes watch his fight on YouTube with Virgil Hill in Hill's hometown in Bismark,ND.I never bring it up with him James.

Call it luck maybe.If James could have won any one of those three fights,he could have moved onto the world's boxing stage with the elites:Leonard,Hagler,Duran. All legends in the pantheon of boxing. Hall Of Famers. But with boxing "luck" usually identifies itself with a punch that pulls the rabbit out of the hat. If the fight goes the distance there's no magic wand that will produce a boxing bunny. It's all about that standard adage about making money.James was fighting primarly in San Diego,Tijuana,and if Bobby Difilippis his manger could get him booked in Las Vegas, it was at the blue collar venue the Silver Slipper. When James lost to Tommy the robbery was at the posh Vegas Hilton on The Strip.

But James doesn't dwell on those three losses. He made some dough,but like many of his peers he squandered his earnings. After the dance was over he found himself in front of a rundown motel in National City by the Navy base in San Diego with his wife and four kids sitting in the back of the van with ball tires. He had no job and 40 dollars to his name. That's when he told me he had his epiphany moment.

James Kinchen doesn't keep up with boxing much anymore.I'm sure he has a wealth of memories and stories he could share,but only if you bring up boxing will he comment about it. But there's no hyperbole when he talks boxing. No self adoration.No bitterness.James is very happy speaking from the pulpit about the Lord. Oh sure there's always some preaching threaded in a conversation with James,but he's not trying to convert. He's put his faith in the hands of the Lord. Maybe he thinks sometimes if those hands would have been in his corner at the Vegas Hilton he would have been a world champion. But I don't think he'd trade places now. That was a long time ago. Use the cliche "Born Again" if you like.I know there's a lot of people who think that someone who professes to be "Born Again" is at the other end of the spectrum , both ends being over passionate and a bit unhinged. But James will tell you that the end he's on now that he has put his life in the hands of One who packs a greater punch than Tommy Hearns.

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The Art Of An Art

Most fighters were in the gym just about everyday. They'd take some time off to catch up on some needed rest so they wouldn't wear themselves out,but like I said you'd see most fighters in the gym just about everyday.Today's super stars who fight twice a year take plenty of time off from the gym to read their press notices and appear on late night television. Then there's always a commercial or two.

I heard Denny Moyer say once ,when he was finishing out his career in San Diego, that if he stayed away from the gym for more than two weeks he'd lose some of his timing.He wouldn't react as well.He couldn't see what his opponent was doing in front of him. So I saw a lot of Denny Moyer when he was with his team of Sid Flaherty and Danny Rodriguez in San Diego.

If Moyer wasn't training out at Flaherty's facility in the foothills of San Diego's east county he was keeping tuned up at the old Coliseum. By the time Moyer arrived in San Diego he had quite a list of the Who's Who in boxing circles on his resume.Denny came along at a time when the welterweight and middleweight divisions were arguably at their zenith. When Denny stepped through the ropes at the musty ol' Coliseum to sweat out last night's bubblies,here was a dude that had mixed it up with Sugar Ray Robinson,Luis Rodriguez,Emile Griffith,Don Jordan,Johnny Saxton,Nino Benvenuti,Benny Paret,Virgil Atkins(all world champs at one time);then add cream of the crop boys like Gaspar Ortega,Paddy DeMarco,Tony Dupas,Jorge Fernandez,Vince Martinez,Ralph Dupas,Joey Archer, Joey Giambra and you might think I'm making all this up. When Moyer was based in San Diego he got a call from Monzon's group to oblige the Argentinian over in Spaghettiland.

So when I'd see Denny Moyer shadowbox,skip rope,hit the small and heavy bags,and spar,I'd wonder how many hours he had endured his body into this unforgiving endeavor.All the rolls of tape.The countless number of mouth guards he bit down on.The ice packs that were pressed on his swollen face and the cuts around his eyes.The number of times the referee held his hand in the air.The outcomes at the end when his towel draped head was cast down looking at the canvas.All the stuffy noisy honky tonk arenas.All the stadiums with 5 digit crowds.By the time Moyer arrived in this Navy town,even with all his history,he was a just a replica of all the street people who revolved around the decomposing neighborhood around E and lower 14th streets. That's were the paint was peeling away from the stucco walls on the Coliseum.

Denny Moyer fit right into the surroundings. I don't think he thought of any bitter sweet poetry,ironic tragedy,or appropriate symbolism as he opened the creaky doors to the old arena.. That kind of stuff was left to the Sterlings and Shulbergs to bang away on their typewriters.I like to peck at the keyboard about what I've seen in boxing. The guy on the outside looking into a lunch pail world..That's what sports writer do.They embellish,add the hyperbole,the countless adjectives,and stretch the truth.Every time I sat down at a bar next to a fighter I was always thinking of how I'd put my words together.

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Three Strikes And You're Not Knocked Out

That movie Fat City with Stacey Keach and Jeff Bridges was really a good fight movie. I liked the part when Tully(played by Stacey Keach) is trying to find his girlfriend Oma(Susan Tyrrell) and gets wind that she's back with her old boyfriend Earl(Curtis Cokes).Tully is OK with that,a little pissed off,but now all he wants is to get his clothes back from Oma's place Tully stomps up to the front door and starts rapping away. Earl the boyfriend opens the door and there he is,Curtis Cokes,the ex welterweight champ,standing there smiling like a fox asking Tully- what's up? All Tully wants to get back is his clothes and he knows Oma's hiding somewhere in the back ,but Earl has no beef about giving a man's clothes back. Oma put them in a box. After he gets his clothes back,Earl runs one by Tully.
"Oma tells me you're a fighter,"says Cokes in character
"That's right"answers Tully.
"Well I like to watch a good fight once in awhile," stated Curtis Cokes still with the wily smile.
I thought it was one of the best scenes in the movie.

Here's Curtis Cokes who was a fighter all his ,life and now a trainer of fighters saying in a movie that he likes to watch a good fight once in awhile. I've reached the point that I'm in agreement with Cokes,or more likely,Earl. I'm a fan,but not with the interest I had when I was younger, I couldn't watch boxing everyday.I'd start thinking-why am I doing this? Even the Roman throng in the Coliseum didn't see that much action. Of course there was no YouTube,not to mention a weekly gladiator card Granted,the Roman endings were to the death,but boxing is just a milder evolution. But if you closed your eyes and didn't know what arena you were in,you'd hear both sides screaming"Kill him" If you understand Latin then you win the 64 dollar question. Sometimes I think of a fighter who has amassed a hundred fights I the fighters through less anxiety than the editors of the Ring Record Book.

Baseball is the sport for me if I want to chill out.For starters there's no time clock The players seem more lose unless there's a bench clearing brawl,but then when I watch baseball players fight I'm glad they learned how to hit a curveball. If you don't believe me,just watch the fans in the seats when you're tuned into a game on the television.Look at the fans sitting behind homeplate.The couples are smoochin' and taking selfies. Half of them aren't even watching.They're looking up on the big screen,on their phones, or they're walking around in the aisles looking for the craft beer bar.

You can be in the Bigs and go zero for 4 at the plate and then go out and play the next day and hit in the winning run in the bottom of the 9th. Boxing?When a fighter sometimes loses he can go off the deep end and get demoralized. He can't get back on track.Career soon over.

If I had to live on a day to day diet of sports,I'd opt for baseball. If you lose 15 to nothing,just wait till tomorrow. If the game is rained out or nothing is scheduled,I might get lucky and watch a good fight on the television.

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Through The Brick Wall

There seems to be some confusion in boxing today. The emphasis is on speed.If a fighter is not blessed with a powerful punch,he can develop a more mightier sock,but then if his hands aren't fast enough that will X out any power. It's good to have both,but if a guy is fast enough to get out of the way and get in his own shots he'll be the winner. But there's one thing I see in the ring today with most boxers in their makeup that works against speed and power. That trait is that a lot of fighters are too tensed up during a fight. Their muscles are constricted to the point that if I were working their corner I'd lace the water bottle with some THC. How can a fighter want to get off lightning fast punches and deliver the knockout blow if his body is wound up like a bass drum?

I see these guys walk around stiff like mummies,biceps bulging,,minimal movement,feet wide apart,trying to lead or counter.They'll throw a shot that hits a shoulder or an arm.The other guy clubs back slapping unimportant flesh.They'll both then take step back and repeat their impressions of a World War I tank. The action is slow,but the emphasis is supposed to be on speed. All that rigidty defeats the purpose not to mention it tires a guy out to keep his body so tensed up. Watching fighters on the tube who aren't loose in there eventually makes me grab the remote. But it all starts with the trainers.I was watching a fight on TV the other night between a couple of featherweights who moved around the ring like the Frankenstein monster. During one of the rounds they've got the mic one of the guy's trainer.
"What did you tell him after the last round?"
"I told him to keep the pressure up and break him down.Stick to the game plan."
Geez.You're boy is so stiff in there. It's just going to be a repeat performance till the final bell or when one of them collapses from hypertension.

I don't think Mayweather would have retired undefeated if he was around during the 60's and 70's. Floyd was a slippery cat. He was loosey goosey. His reflexes worked because he wasn't stuck together with Super Glue. Think back of those wily fighters like Griffith,Rodriguez,Ortiz,Napoles, Leonard.Even a killer like Duran was perpetual motion.He was loose in there. You can do more,react quicker if you're not all tensed up. Even Tommy Hearns was on the balls of his feat. And being all tensed up saps the energy out of fighter. It winds up being a waste of energy.

By now you know my guy was Jose Napoles. The Mexicans didn't give him that nickname Mantequilla(butter)on a whim. He was so loose,relaxed,smooth as butter. i'd watch him fight and he had such a beautiful left hook. He liked to counter with it, but if he threw it and he knew it was off target he'd pull it back like fly fisherman playing off a rainbow trout. Then he'd bounce back,reset,give it the head and shoulders looking for the opening or waiting for his opponent to make a mistake. Get the guy to do to what he wants him to do. Get him to fight my fight. A fighter can't do that if he trying to crash through a brick wall.

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Taking The Bad And Making It Good

A couple of years ago Chucho Garcia passed away. A fighter who went into the ring more than 150 times,he was a frequent attraction at the San Diego Coliseum during the 1970's. Always on hand to step in to fill the gap for a fighter that for some reason or another didn't show up,a fighter who could give a good account of himself on an undercard or a main event.Chucho Garcia was the kind of fighter that mirrored the definition of "fighter." He was rank and file.Taking on anybody between 130 and 160 pounds Garcia' wasn't fussy about who his opponent was for him to earn some money to provide for his family.Armando Muniz,Hedgemon Lewis, Joe Brown,Vito Antuofermo,Denny Moyer,Charley Shipes,Elisha Obed were a good sampling of what Garcia had to test himself with inside the squared circle. He fought in enough different arenas he could have put together a pretty interesting brochure on all those spheres of combat. At the end he was losing quite often. Whether that was part of the deal is left to conjecture. I saw him fight at the Coliseum against a rising star Renato Garcia. This was their second time around. Garcia won the first go by a decision. The second fight was a decision again in Garcia's favor,but most thought the officiating got it wrong. Again,it left us guessing.Whether Garcia name should be associated with the murkier side of promoters and managers,I guess it comes down to what perspective is in one's viewfinder. A man who knows little else than making a living as a fighter. will take the bad with the good so his family won't have to scatter themselves to the wind.. When Jesus Garcia left us his son posted on the forum about some memories of his dad. Affectionally,his son Jose said his dad was a 'gentle' and "loving" person. His reference to his dad being a "rock" can be attested by the volume of his ring record.

Chucho Garcia was born in Reynosa ,Mexico.,a rough place to begin a tough road up through the ranks of the divisions. Winding his way through Texas and Louisiana,he finally settled in in San Diego. Fighting sometimes once a week he did what he had to do to keep the paychecks coming in. Though he never reached the heights of popularity of locals like Ken Norton or Archie Moore that is understandable. Chucho Garcia was never a champ. He never fought for a title. But in the thoughts of his family he was unbeatable.

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May Day

I drove down to Tijuana today to exchange the pesos I had left from my trip to Michoacan for U.S. dollars. That's kind of doing it backwards. The gal at the Casa De Cambio window gave me a puzzled look when I said I wanted dollars. I lost a fraction of the value when I turned in my pesos for the greenbacks..But I can't use the pesos on the U.S. side.It's like monopoly money unless I go to my bank up here. There's hundreds of Casa De Cambios(exchange houses) in TJ and in San Ysidro,the town right across the line from the Mexican border. I parked my car in the big lot behind the Soriana super market on Revolution Street. The first thing I noticed was that most of the stores and businesses were closed. Just the farmacias and a few restaurants were open for trade. Then it hit me. Today was May 1st,the day the workers of the world unite and celebrate. Before the commies took over in Russia, May Day was a big deal here,but since the commies are so into the "workers of the world unite" credo,Uncle Sam wants to bury that image.

All the hacks,city buses,and commercial trucks were in the streets jamming up traffic.Most of these vehicles were massed in font of Tijuana City Hall(El Municipal)..The Tijuana cops were directing traffic as best as they could,but the bottlenecks were everywhere.

I was thinking of dropping in the little boxing gym on 3rd Street across from the Soriana parking lot,but it also had the "cerrado" sign hung on the door. I guess fighters work as hard or harder than the average man on the street. There are a lot of gyms in Tijuana today. They all seem to be scuffling. The CREA ,which I talk about a lot under the supervision of Romulo Rodarte, has a pretty good group in there every day. Erik Morales's gym in the Zona Norte is doing pretty good. But keep in mind Morales socked away his dough from fighting and keeps the old gym located above the family mini market on the corner open to keep the tradition going. I'm sure there are other gyms that are busy.I just don't get around much anymore(from the name of the same song) in boxing circles.

My granddaughter's husband is a tenderfoot wrestling promoter in TJ. He puts on shows mostly upstairs at the Rancho Grande Bar on Revolution Street. That's the bar where 30 or so odd years ago I saw Jose Napoles and his salsa band entertain the rambunctious. Of course I wasn't there to dance any cumbias,but to see how my favorite fighter was getting along now that he couldn't win anymore fights.He fashioned himself as a trumpet virtuoso,but the real star was Mrs. Napoles. She was the singer and she could really put it away. A great set of pipes and figure to match. I've run this by you before.There was a fight that broke out on the dance floor. What would any Mexican gathering be without a fight?Jose didn't jump into the melee. If he wasn't going to get paid for it why take the risk. Besides,those kind of brawls don't abide by any Marquis Of Queensbury rules.

Before I drop this I want to say that my granddaughter's husband booked his next wrestling event on the same night as the Canelo/Jacobs fight. He's going to take a bath. But I'll climb the steps to the Rancho Grande and watch my little grandkids and the great grand ones running around having fun eating cotton candy and screaming at the acrobatic tumblers.(They all wear masks-very Mexican). It'll be a no brainer.Family comes before championship fights or celebrating the day of the worker in a country that is hurtin' for work.

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That's Entertainment?

I was watching the Turner Classic Movie channel the other night and they had an interview with Jane Fonda by the late host Robert Osbourne. The interview was shot ,I think in 2007. Jane's sitting there reminiscing about here father ,Henry Fonda,especially when they did their only film together,On Golden Pond. Henry Fonda won his only Oscar for best actor. It was his last film before he died. His daughter ,Jane, accepted the award for him because he was too ill to attend the ceremony.

Jane Fonda was talking about how difficult it was to work with her father on the film. I guess,according to Jane,her father was often very curt with her. He displayed an indifference that caused her to struggle to win him over all her life.She said that she could never get the love from him like the love she bestowed o him. Affection was not a part of his makeup,according to Jane. She told Osbourne that in one scene in the movie she had a dialogue with her father(who was also her father in the picture).She said she couldn't see his face to glean what were his emotions because the sun was in her eyes. She told the cameraman to shoot at a different angle so she could "read" her father's face. Just then Henry Fonda smirked and told her that that was unnecessary because he always knew what she was thinking and, in so many words,it wasn't important. Jane then began to break down to Osbourne and explain that her father always knew how to hurt her with his words. She went on to say that every time she watches the movie she sobs uncontrollably. It was quite a performance and even had me going for awhile.

Then I got to thinking.How about her trip to Vietnam when she was straddling that Viet Cong anti aircraft gun and talking about how the captive U.S. pilots should be tried as war criminals. She made ten speeches over there about that same topic. I guess her words ,according to Jane,weren't meant to hurt the American families who had lost boys to that anti aircraft gun she had her arse on or the pilots that were in prisoner of war camps. I don't think she was acting when she expressed herself amongst all those Viet Cong soldiers. But after that she went on to win an Oscar,made a fortune with her exercise videos,married activist Tom Hayden and lived in the mountains in a cold water cabin knowing that on a whim she could return to her estate in Beverly Hills.And that's what happened. She eventually got tired of being an ideological activist and married billionaire Ted Turner.

But now that she's 80 years old she's still in the limelight.She's probably spent millions on plastic surgery and says that her sex life is better than ever But she'll never get over the mental trauma her father put her through growing up.I guess you have to be a pretty good actress to pull all this off,or to get people to sympathize with you. Which brings me to another thespian,an entertainer of the sporting life.Muhammad Ali.

Sure Ali was a great fighter.He said he was.He said he was The Greatest.But he had two careers.One before the Army went after him.And another after the the Army finally surrendered. The thing I'm trying to get at is what would his record have looked like if he wasn't Cassius Clay/Muhammad Ali?Drop all the talk.The self promotion. The Act. Let's say he had a personality of a Jimmy Young. Would the people and the judges have seen him in a different light? Would he gobble up every boxing forum on the web? Draw crowds by the thousands to hear him talk?.Would he have had the most recognizable face on the planet?

Before his hiatus from boxing he might have been the best heavyweight of all time. After he came back he wasn't the same fighter, except for his mouth.His legs,reflexes weren't like they were before. But he came back from banishment as a hero. He may not have been the title holder anymore(except in the eyes of Ring Magazine)but he was the people's champ.His persona, whether it was a charade or genuine, had won the public over.The world was in gagaland about Ali. He was emulated and adored by people of all races and economic strata. He got away with things that another fighter would have been punished for. If Jimmy Young would have been fighting Frazier in Manila would Carlos Padilla have taken points away for holding behind the head?Does he wind up losing all three fights to Norton?The 1984 Olympic committee asked Ali to carry the Olympic torch up the stairs to light the flame. Foreman and Frazier were Olympic gold medalists but I bet their names never came up in discussion. Even when Ali met his Waterloo against Holmes the fight is still called the Ali/Holmes fight,Ali's name taking front billing even though Larry's punches that night almost killed him.When Ali died his face was on the front page every international publication.The documentaries came spewing out, The books and articles written about him could fill Fort Knox.

But all this adoration and the iconic legacy,this cult,can be attributed to the way Muhammad Ali presented himself to the world.Was it an act?A lot of it was..He was as talented in front of a camera as he was fighting in the ring,at least before his exile. But rhetoric doesn't diminish with age like reflexes.Even when Ali went through his strokes,he could move people.

Jane Fonda was never close to the "people".She grew up in a famous movie star's house.She drew the college campus kids who lived off their parents. She talked the talk,but she could never walk in Harlem.North Vietnam she got a pass,but the ghetto wasn't as comfortable as Hollywood.She would have to put on her best acting performance to get through South Central LA and I don't think she would have been up to it..Ali?Well,he had no problem picking up African babies in Zaire and kissing them.He was a guiding light,a ray of hope,a champuion to the most destitute. He might have been acting in front of the camera, but out in the streets in the ghettos,in the villages in Zaire,Muhammad Ali performed his best.

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Unwelcome Strategy

I often wonder what goes in preparation of a fight between the fighter and his trainer.There are a few wrinkles added maybe .Fighters aren't strangers to each other especially if they've fought each other before or if he's a big name guy and everyone in the world has seen him fight on TV. I was watching a replay of Pacquiao/Marquez IV the other night on the tube. I didn't catch who the color man was,but he briefed the audience during the first round that Freddie Roach,Manny's trainer,had told his boy to move to his right inside the ring to offset the power of Marquez's right hand.However,during the round the commentator was observing that Manny was moving to his accustomed left instead of what was worked on in training camp. After the round was over the camera zoomed into Manny's corner. Roach wasn't telling his fighter that he was circling the "wrong" way. I guess there was no reason to fret.

But in the third frame Juan Manual wound up a right hand haymaker that clubbed Manny to the deck. It wasn't a punch coming off the jab. It wasn't a counter.Marquez wound up leading with his right from somewhere near Mexico City and bopped Manny right on the side of his head.It was the first time Manny had gotten that close to the canvas.

Well,now I'm figuring that Freddie is going to get in his fighter's face and remind him why it would be prudent to change directions with his feet.But nope,it was business as before-Manny full of piss and vinegar moving to his left. In the fifth round Manny caught Marquez with a counter and evened up the knockdowns. Now Manny began to rev things up. Marquez looked tired. His face was busting up. The tide had turned. In the sixth Manny kept pressing and Juan Manual looked like he was finished,but Mr. Manny ,still circling to his left,decided to move in on Juan and guess what?(Well you know) Marquez's threw everything he had with his mano derecho.It didn't have to travel very far. Manny's chin was saying,"Here it is.You can't miss." Manny's face hit the canvas ahead of the rest of his body.

So you've got a Hall Of Fame fighter and a Hall Of fame trainer that spent eight weeks practicing something that wasn't put to use in a championship fight.

Jake LaMotta said he never listened to his corner. In fact he thought they were often a nuisance.Before his first fight with Joe Louis,Max Schmeling said "I theenks I see sumsing." Yeah,when Joe Louis threw his jab he brought it back to his side. Herr Max countered with his right to teach Joe a lesson.But did Louis ever break that habit? No.Never. in the rematch Louis did the same thing.Joe was looking for Max's right counter now but Joe kept his left hand low like in fight numero uno. One time Schmeling tried the right hand,but Louis slipped it.Louis just went in and blitzgrieged the German.

Charlie Goldman said that he never changed a fighter's" natural style".Marciano was a tough kid with a powerful right so Charlie just smoothed out some refinement with his boy-roll with the other guy's shots,cut the ring off ,and get into the top physical condition,and don't forget to throw the right hand from every angle. Charlie didn't have any illusions to transform Rocky into a Willie Pep.

I think of names like Jack Johnson,Joe Gans,Benny Leonard,Willie Pep,and Sugar Ray Robinson.Who taught them how to box?They never got frustrated and found themselves at a loss. I never heard Archie Moore talk about a trainer.But I did hear him talk about Barbados Joe Walcott and how the Mongoose picked up a few of his tricks of the trade.What could you tell Sugar Ray Robinson when he got back to his corner?"Go out there and get him champ?"

Boxing has no trick plays.Workouts are open to the public. There are no secrets.A trainer may be overrated when it comes to strategy or even technique after it has been honed in the amateurs and at the start of a pro career. A trainer knows pretty much what he has to work with..The trainer's real value is what he can instill into his fighter's mantra. The trainer should be a conditioner of the mind as well as the body. Great fighters possess tremendous spirit. Often that passion was manifested by his closet confidant-his trainer. The great trainers are a pronounced combination of psychologist,spiritual guide,and father figure. Guys like Yank Durham,Lou Duva,the Petronellis,Jack Blackburn,Angelo Dundee. They were more than drawers of x's and o's..They could see into a fighter's heart.But then again it was always good if that ticker belonged to Muhammad Ali.
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Taking A Little Off The Top

Just Off The Top Of My head:There were a couple of times on Barak Obama's watch that a congressional movement pushed for the president to pardon the controversial heavyweight champion,Jack Johnson on his Mann Act conviction.It never got done. Then Donald Trump pardons Johnson in April of 2018. I can't read minds but you'd think that executive turnover was right up Obama's alley. I looked up the list of people Obama made good again on the books and I didn't see anyone that would have seemed like a saint standing next to Jack Johnson. A lot of people out there(especially on some of these news channels and in congress )believe Trump is a racist white supremist.I can't see him cutting an album with 50 Cent,but calling him a "Nazi"? It's like making a comparision with Spike Lee attending a John Wayne festival. It ain't gonna' happen. Spike Lee hates John Wayne's guts ,and when Donald Trump stops his car at an intersection and hears some black kid in the car next to him with the stereo turned up and his head bopping to J-Dilla's "F--k The Police",I don't think Trump is going to ask the kid if he could borrow the CD.

Speaking of Johnson again. In his autobiography ,printed when he was still an active fighter,he talks as much about nutrition,a woman's role,meeting foreign dignitaries,and philosophy as he does about his boxing career. He's full of himself,but that's what makes the book interesting. Sure,he puts himself mostly in a favorable light. If he sinned,he felt sorry afterwards. His sincerity goes about as far as a Coney Island pitchman's shill. He may have been hard to lay a glove on in his prime ,but he leads with his chin when he writes about himself.

What always gets me is that Johnson never had any little Johnsons running around from all his bedroom calisthentics. I've never read about any of his concubines having a sub rosa abortion ,or later on, some young thing coming out of the woodwork accusing Lil' Arthur of begetting his little presence on this earth.

Johnson opened a bar in Tijuana after he was on the run from Uncle Sam. If there's anyone in Tijuana that can add some light on the topic or gives a damn ,I haven't met him. Tijuana isn't much into its history. Tijuana is a "newer" city.Around the turn of the century it came to life. During Mexico's two revolutions Tijuana was a non participant .in the first one, when Mexico separated from Spain,Tijuana didn't exist. The second revolution in 1911,Tijuana catered mostly to the gringos from the U.S. side.I don't think Pancho Villa could have found Tijuana if he tried. Funny thing was that Villa wanted to promote Johnson's fight with Willard in Ciudad Juarez across the line from El Paso,Texas.. However,the U.S. government was afraid of an international incident happening(Mexico was still in turmoil fighting the second revolution)and told Willard and his group to avoid negotiations with the Centaur Of The North. As far as trying to find out something about Jack Johnson's bar:for going on 60 years I've hit just about every cantina in town asking if they could tell me anything about Jack Johnson's bar. All I ever got to show for it was a case of jaundice.

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Fighting In My Backyard

The great Mexican fighters in the past waged war pretty close to home.I'm talking the Southland area of California,Mexico Texas,and Las Vegas I want to say that New York's Madison Square Garden is still a major Mecca when it comes the time for a really big show. If the promoters think that the Garden can't handle the take,there's always the ballparks that can provide the overflow venue.

Right now I'll stick to the great Mexican "national" fighters. I did some digging,but I couldn't find much of the Gran Campeones de Mexico that showed their stuff in New York. I'll begin with "Raton" Macias-nada.
Ruben Olivares-nada.
Vicente Saldivar-nada.
Carlos Zarate-nada.
Julio Cesar Chavez-nada.
Juan Manual Marquez-nada.
Of all the great ones only Salvador Sanchez showed what he was made of to the New York crowd and that was against Azumah Nelson in one of the most thrilling fights ever.It was Sanchez's last fight before he died.Erik Morales fought his last go in Brooklyn at a time when he had just about nothing left in the tank. If there was one Mexican fighter that showed his face on the east coast it was Tony Margarito,pre and post Plaster of Paris.I should also mention that Gaspar Ortega was a staple of Friday night fighters that were on the black and white tube during the 50's. MSG was a common venue for the former Tijuana fighter.Today,he lives in New York City.His son Mike,is a popular referee in the Apple.But Gaspar was always "the other guy" in the ring. Teddy Brenner knew he had a quality fighter that would give any of the high profile fighters back east a good battle.

Mexico is a very territorial land. Mexicans sometimes refer to it as their "patria chica."It's where they were born.Where they grew up. Their friends and family,the landscape,weather are all factored into the equation. The biggest mistake one can make is to "lump" all Mexicans into a stereotype.

Mexico reminds me of the time when there were the "city states." Geographiacal regions,cities,pueblos,and little ranchitas have distrust for anyone outside their boundaries. Towns can be separated by only a few miles and you can see the differences in the culture:food,politics,dress,and dialects have their own unique place. The drug cartels that have taken over are a grim example of regions of criminals positioning themselves to take control by any means necessary.

The Mexican Revolution was a good example of how the rebel generals didn't want to venture off fighting in some neck of the woods that wasn't familiar.Their hero Emiliano Zapats was a test case. His men didn't want to get to far away from their home state,Morelos,when it came to shooting their guns at the Fedarales.His army had the opportunity to stop Carranza from advancing from Vera Cruz to hook up with Obregon in Central Mexico.Zapata could have joined Pancho Villa;s forces and the Revolution would have been game over.But Zapata stood still in Morelos and let Carranza advance. In a year Villa and Zapata would be on the run from Carranza's federal forces.

When I was working at that private school in Tijuana,CETYs, coaching gringo football,I told the principal that I was mighty proud that I was hired. I said you could have gone with a Mexican coach.There was a guy from Mexico City that had come out to Tijuana. He had a background coaching U.S. football at the big university in the capital.Here was the principal's reply.
"There was no way we would hire that guy. We'd rather hire a n----r than a Chilango."(Chilango is a slur expression against Mexicans that reside in Mexico City).

Saturday, Canelo laid his title on the line on Cinco De Mayo in Las Vegas. To me Las Vegas is the counter culture of what I envision Mexico. But I have to get current. When Canelo fights in Vegas or San Antonio it's like fighting their own back yard. Their Patria Chica Just about all the crowd is Mexican,the mariachis are serenading in the ring.The ring mat is adorned with Tecate beer insignias.Even Michael Buffer can say "Vamos caballeros."

So the Bob Arums and the Top Rank guys know that some fighter from the Ukraine or Thailand will risk it in a Patria Chica as long as he gets the opportunity to fight for the championship. Everyone will make money. But Mexico can forget about having the clout to stage the epic encounters.Last year Canelo fought GGG in Vegas on Mexican Independace Day Everyone was fine with it.

The days of watching Ruben Olivares fight in a Mexican bullring for 5 bucks in a non title go are over. Besides, the cable TV in Mexico shows the fights for free. The Mexicans who fly first class to Vegas to watch their champions can afford it.They stay in the swank hotels and roll the dice at the craps tables. Everyone is happy.

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No Room For Error

You figure eight weeks for a fighter to head for the hills and get in shape for a championship fight. The training camp has to be outside the city. All the smog,noise,and crowds aren't beneficial for fighter who needs to be totally focused to put himself in position to win. I look at baseball,football,and basketball and see that those guys don't need much to get ready for their season The game doesn't get that far away from them in the off season..You see fights where an opponent cancels at the last minute. The promoter then gets on the horn and goes through his list of fighters that will take a fight on short notice.The replacement is usually in the gym everyday ,but his mind set is not on a par with the guy he's fighting. The Spartan regimen of a training camp puts a fighter on a level where everything has been considered and practiced. The fill in,often referred to as a "promoters fighter", knows that he hasn't made the sacrifice.He's not prepared to fight at that level and intensity.I used to work at Juvenile Hall with a probation officer named Gilbert Baptist. Gilbert was also a pretty fair middleweight. I saw him fight Terry Norris at the El Cortez Hotel in San Diego.They went after each other so hard the boxing scribes called that bout the "San Diego Fight Of The Year." Baptist later worked with Norris when Terry was moving his way up the ladder. When Norris signed to fight Leonard I'd go to Spud Murphy's Gym downtown and watch them workout Gilbert Baptist was a good fighter,not in Norris's class,but he could stay in there with anybody.

After leaving Juvenile Hall I landed a teaching spot at Point Loma High School. I bumped into Gilbert again. He was on campus to check up on one of his kids that was on probation. Turned out the kid was in my class. I had the "In School Suspension Class."If a kid was acting out in class, instead of the vice principal sending him home on a suspension the kid was sent to my class. That way the district got paid by the state because the kid was still in school While Gilbert was checking up on the kid's progress he ran something by me.
"Roger.I'm going to Las Vegas to fight Gerald McClelland. The guy he was fighting dropped out so they got ahold of me."
"Are you ready?"
"I've been going to the gym."
I didn't want to press him about it. At the time McClelland was going through everybody. He looked like the best middleweight out there. I knew Gilbert had a monumental task in front of him. But this was a title shot. He wouldn't be in line again for a similar big fight again, unless he beat McClelland.But Gilbert wasn't physically ready that translated to being unprepared mentally.

I watched the fight on the television. . A mismatch. That would be the nice way to describe it. it went less than a round. Gilbert was decked twice. On his way down to the canvas during the second knockdown Gilbert broke his leg..

Yeah. Fighting isn't like playing hoops or baseball.A fighter can't go out the night before a fight and get drunk.Mando Ramos did it the night before he defended his title against Chango Carmona. Carmona was a good fighter,but he didn't have Ramos's talent.Didn't matter.Mando had thrown everything he trained for on that night on the town.

I remember in one of the playoff games Michael Jordan was running a 103 degree temperature.He rested in the locker room before the game and then went out and scored 36 points. That kind of stuff doesn't happen at the top levels of boxing. Some fighters are so fine tuned that after a fight they need to recuperate in a hospital.

They asked Rocky Marciano once when did he know that he'd had had enough of boxing.
"One day when I went to the gym I smelled the stale odor of sweat that was everywhere."
Smelling B.O.-a metaphor for all the hard work. Getting up a 5 in the morning and running 10 miles. Cutting out all his mama's spaghetti and meatballs. Being away from the wife and kids. Boxing is a profession where the word "can't" comes up a lot. You can't smoke and drink. You can't have sex. You can't stay up all night.You can't cut corners.You can't give in to your mind telling you to ease off. No. boxing is one of those livelihoods where the fighter knows that being in shape isn't like playing a "Pick Up" game of basketball at the park.



Gerald McClelland vs. Gilbert Baptist.
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