Rob3_142 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2019, 13:37
I don't think there is anything wrong with a bit of hype for a relatively young fighter with less than 10 pro fights. He's got size and power on his side. Seems to move well, and has carried himself well so far.
I can remember having a similar level of excitement of Joshua in his first half dozed fighters as he was coming through (notwithstanding his amateur pedigree).
Granted, we won't learn tonnes about him against Wallisch, but nor did we with Joshua against Denis Bakhtov...
Definitely not a better fighter. The only advantage that Wallisch has over Mansour is that Mansour is shot and Wallisch is not. That's a significant advantage but Wallisch isn't going to trouble Ajagba even so.
No problem with that. It's all about getting rounds under his belt, experimenting with what works and what doesn't, learning his trade against opponents who aren't going to be too taxing.
wallisch will go down early without a fight, showed no heart and total mental weakness vs hammer--what a dismal showing. a durable journeyman may not look as good on paper but would give a better experience imo
Rob3_142 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2019, 11:00
If he gets him out of there is more stylish fashion than Hammer (5th round KO), it might at least give us some barometer.
thing is though, when a fighter goes years with an unbeaten padded record, and then they suffer a loss. often they then just start selling there record for losses. thats one reason i think this looks much more of a good opponent on paper then it will prove to be in terms of what wallisch offers.
although i do think efe is legit and with a much higher ceiling then guys like hammer (who is really more of a fringe contender anyway)
jamamb wrote: ↑25 Apr 2019, 02:55
wallisch will go down early without a fight, showed no heart and total mental weakness vs hammer--what a dismal showing. a durable journeyman may not look as good on paper but would give a better experience imo
I never said he wasn't tough. I have a lot of respect for Rodney. I feel the same way about Avery Gibson but look what that Scottish bloke ,,, MacMoodov or something did to him
candyslim wrote: ↑25 Apr 2019, 11:37
I never said he wasn't tough. I have a lot of respect for Rodney. I feel the same way about Avery Gibson but look what that Scottish bloke ,,, MacMoodov or something did to him
Getting stoked to watch Ajagba this Saturday on Showtime. I'm hoping Wallisch doesn't quit and provides some decent in-ring experience for Efe. I fear he'll be just a punching bag.
oogiebe wrote: ↑25 Apr 2019, 11:38
Makhmudov is a wrecking machine.
Aint he just. Like you I love following the progression of guys like Makhmudov, Ajagba, Jalolov, Sirenko, Hines, Moore and many more.
Who will make it, how far will they get, who will fall by the wayside?. So much more rewarding than sitting around waiting for someone (of sufficient standing to make it interesting), to accept a King's ransom to face AJ.
candyslim wrote: ↑25 Apr 2019, 13:54
Aint he just. Like you I love following the progression of guys like Makhmudov, Ajagba, Jalolov, Sirenko, Hines, Moore and many more.
Who will make it, how far will they get, who will fall by the wayside?. So much more rewarding than sitting around waiting for someone (of sufficient standing to make it interesting), to accept a King's ransom to face AJ.
oogiebe wrote: ↑25 Apr 2019, 13:23
Getting stoked to watch Ajagba this Saturday on Showtime. I'm hoping Wallisch doesn't quit and provides some decent in-ring experience for Efe. I fear he'll be just a punching bag.
If it goes past 2 rounds I'll consider it over time
tiny_acres wrote: ↑25 Apr 2019, 13:59
If it goes past 2 rounds I'll consider it over time
Yeah probably. Jammy raised the point. It's funny how these fighters like Wallisch (Remember how he almost won that forum competition that greatly pre-dated my membership, about which of them would be the last undefeated heavyweight standing ?) build long meaningless unbeaten records, eventually lose when they step up out of their comfort zone, then it's onto skid row where they become the prey for a succession of hungry young lions on their descent into obscurity..
Maybe if Wallisch had fought the likes of Airich, the Lewandowskis, Gerber, maybe even Schwartz and Kabayel, he may have been better equipped to deal with Christian Hammer and might now not be on the road to nowhere?
candyslim wrote: ↑25 Apr 2019, 14:28
Yeah probably. Jammy raised the point. It's funny how these fighters like Wallisch (Remember how he almost won that forum competition that greatly pre-dated my membership, about which of them would be the last undefeated heavyweight standing ?) build long meaningless unbeaten records, eventually lose when they step up out of their comfort zone, then it's onto skid row where they become the prey for a succession of hungry young lions on their descent into obscurity..
Maybe if Wallisch had fought the likes of Airich, the Lewandowskis, Gerber, maybe even Schwartz and Kabayel, he may have been better equipped to deal with Christian Hammer and might now not be on the road to nowhere?
Just a thought
Or he may have been exposed earlier. You never know.
candyslim wrote: ↑25 Apr 2019, 14:28
Yeah probably. Jammy raised the point. It's funny how these fighters like Wallisch (Remember how he almost won that forum competition that greatly pre-dated my membership, about which of them would be the last undefeated heavyweight standing ?) build long meaningless unbeaten records, eventually lose when they step up out of their comfort zone, then it's onto skid row where they become the prey for a succession of hungry young lions on their descent into obscurity..
Maybe if Wallisch had fought the likes of Airich, the Lewandowskis, Gerber, maybe even Schwartz and Kabayel, he may have been better equipped to deal with Christian Hammer and might now not be on the road to nowhere?
Just a thought
Good points. I wish fighters were made to fight fighters at least with in 50 points of their boxrec point system. We could at least get a feeling of how good they are
oogiebe wrote: ↑25 Apr 2019, 14:32
Or he may have been exposed earlier. You never know.
He could but good match making allows you build slowly and learn your craft. IIRC Wallisch outpointed Senad Gashi years ago and he remained his toughest opponent on paper until this year. Is it any wonder Hammer was levels beyond what Wallisch had grown accustomed to.?
If you don't continually test yourself against incrementally better opposition then you get lazy and you stagnate. Then you eventually step up and you aren't equipped to cope.
candyslim wrote: ↑25 Apr 2019, 15:37
He could but good match making allows you build slowly and learn your craft. IIRC Wallisch outpointed Senad Gashi years ago and he remained his toughest opponent on paper until this year. Is it any wonder Hammer was levels beyond what Wallisch had grown accustomed to.?
If you don't continually test yourself against incrementally better opposition then you get lazy and you stagnate. Then you eventually step up and you aren't equipped to cope.
I'm not debating that one iota. Just saying it could've gone more than one way. Seeing Wallish's last performance I lean to being exposed earlier. He didn't look like he was lost. He looked like he sucked.
