Having all 3 do compliment each other..tiny_acres wrote: ↑03 Jul 2018, 18:15I always thought his power was more from speed than actually having true pure knock out powerSyntax Error wrote: ↑03 Jul 2018, 18:02Sugar Ray Leonard.Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑03 Jul 2018, 17:48 Here’s a question..
Which boxer past or present, has/had all three attributes?
Which attribute would you have?
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Yes sir they do. You can add Roy Jones Jr to that list of all 3Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑03 Jul 2018, 18:32Having all 3 do compliment each other..tiny_acres wrote: ↑03 Jul 2018, 18:15I always thought his power was more from speed than actually having true pure knock out power
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... which hasn't? ...Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑03 Jul 2018, 17:48 Here’s a question..
Which boxer past or present, has/had all three attributes?
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Breazeale.
TBH, All HW can knock anyone out.
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Power. Power can cover up many shortcomings. It also lasts the longest.
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it depends how much you have of the others
if you have almost literally no speed your power wont connect etc
wilder has speed too
if you have almost literally no speed your power wont connect etc
wilder has speed too
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i actually believe the likes of joyce (when did he become my boy lol) have not bad timing, and hence can land despite slowness. it depends on how much of the other abilities you have. i think someone whose really fast but has no timing or power may still be able to do better then someone with power but no timing or speed
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Speed without timing wouldn't do so well either would it? Low connection rate. Another reason I selected power was that it also lasts further into your career than speed.jamamb wrote: ↑24 May 2019, 16:55 i actually believe the likes of joyce (when did he become my boy lol) have not bad timing, and hence can land despite slowness. it depends on how much of the other abilities you have. i think someone whose really fast but has no timing or power may still be able to do better then someone with power but no timing or speed
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thats true on connections, and you could argue the power would at least let you make the most out of your connections, but a lot of time what gets seen as 'outboxing' is just basically one guy outspeeding the other and throwing shots that may look flashy but dont really land.
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How about selecting "chin" as an attribute? Then you are Randy Cobb I suspect.jamamb wrote: ↑24 May 2019, 17:04 thats true on connections, and you could argue the power would at least let you make the most out of your connections, but a lot of time what gets seen as 'outboxing' is just basically one guy outspeeding the other and throwing shots that may look flashy but dont really land.
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Never seen Buchanan? Or Winstone? Or Alan Rudkin? Or Conteh?Thomastearns wrote: ↑15 Mar 2017, 05:05 Speed. Fast reflexes (head movement eg Tyson/Rooney) and hand speed are vital. Great footwork is the hallmark of the best champions. Amazing how long it took for British boxing to catch on. Even now we haven't seen a British Pacquiao, Ali, Leonard, Robinson etc. The most mobile British fighter I have seen was Calzaghe.
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When I used to do some sparring in my teenage years my best attribute was my speed. I found out as I sparred more, that when I was in with a more schooled boxer I had to be smarter on letting my hands go. I began to stop throwing as many combinations and became more of a counter puncher. I noticed once I started to pick my shots more, I was throwing with more power.
One instance I was sparring a guy who was was in the MMAs and he was training in boxing to work on his stand up. He was slightly more experienced than me and probably 15-20 lbs heavier. I noticed right away I had a lot more speed, I was swarming him with shots at first until he caught me with a perfect liver shot that took everything out of me... Sparring over.
My coach stressed defense and patience to me. He told me I was relying too much on my speed. We worked on some countering scenarios and a little defense, then he asked if I wanted to spar that guy again. I was all for it.
My second encounter went much better. I was more patient, used my feet more, worked more feints. I remember getting caught in the rib cage by a good shot, but I eventually landed a big right hand over a lazy jab that buckled his legs. It was a short 2 minute sparring session. But once I learned to counter more efficiently, it became my favorite way to box. Tricking your opponent into making mistakes and looking for openings seemed to be much better for my health rather than trying to overwhelm my opponents with speed. It worked with the meatballs I had sparred previously, but I learned a valuable lesson and knew I didn't want that to happen again.
One instance I was sparring a guy who was was in the MMAs and he was training in boxing to work on his stand up. He was slightly more experienced than me and probably 15-20 lbs heavier. I noticed right away I had a lot more speed, I was swarming him with shots at first until he caught me with a perfect liver shot that took everything out of me... Sparring over.
My coach stressed defense and patience to me. He told me I was relying too much on my speed. We worked on some countering scenarios and a little defense, then he asked if I wanted to spar that guy again. I was all for it.
My second encounter went much better. I was more patient, used my feet more, worked more feints. I remember getting caught in the rib cage by a good shot, but I eventually landed a big right hand over a lazy jab that buckled his legs. It was a short 2 minute sparring session. But once I learned to counter more efficiently, it became my favorite way to box. Tricking your opponent into making mistakes and looking for openings seemed to be much better for my health rather than trying to overwhelm my opponents with speed. It worked with the meatballs I had sparred previously, but I learned a valuable lesson and knew I didn't want that to happen again.
Re: Which attribute would you have?
I'd go for perfect balance (which means perfect footwork)... if you have that, you can power punch in combos while going forward and be elusive with upper body movement at will. You can transfer weight from all angles too.
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Re: Which attribute would you have?
I choose none of the above.
I'd rather be a Tex Cobb type of man.
I'd rather be a Tex Cobb type of man.
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Re: Which attribute would you have?
DEFENSE.
But from the given choices, Power
But from the given choices, Power
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He's definitely got speed and timing as well. Power w/o having a high level of the other 2 attributes will get you nowhere at the top level. Wilder has shown to find the proper timing at least once in all his fights.
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Fair point.tiny_acres wrote: ↑03 Jul 2018, 18:15 I always thought his power was more from speed than actually having true pure knock out power
I originally plumped for Sugar Ray Leonard, but thinking again, the man I should have chosen was his nemesis, The Hitman, Thomas Hearns.
Tommy hit like a truck; he also had excellent hand speed and his timing, especially with his piston like Left jab and his demonic Right hand were exemplary.
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I voted power, as all my favourite fighters are punchers.
But, I suspect that timing would be the most important of the three. Without it, you might never land quick or heavy hands.
But, I suspect that timing would be the most important of the three. Without it, you might never land quick or heavy hands.
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Would anyone say Wilder has all 3?
That is when he’s not windmilling..
That is when he’s not windmilling..
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He did against Breazeale.Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑26 May 2019, 18:00 Would anyone say Wilder has all 3?
That is when he’s not windmilling..