Dillian Whyte Tests Positive For Banned Substance

[JimStone]

So he had a hearing as not enough time to test the B Sample. Over a week later, no news on the B Sample and you can bet your bollox that they have the results back from it.

That they have not said it exonerates him makes it clear that the B Sample is backing up the A Sample so they are trying to now fire legal bullshite around this to get away with it. However the truth is out there, some fanboys and idiots will go along with the narrative they present, but anyone with a modicum of intelligence knows all they need to do.

I will never fork out a bean to watch Whyte, nor will I support him in any way at all (but to complete my own double standards, I have no issue with Fury. I know, go figure?!)

It's more likely that Dillian elected to attend a hearing to explain the reason(s) for the positive test and/or put forward his legal position given the result and chose not to have the B sample tested.

[Nondescript]

I'm not the biggest fan of Whyte the person but ive always been led to believe it was a genuine mistake 1st time around when he got the ban early in his career, wasn't it something over the counter or in a drink or something? I'm still glad he got a ban as boxers should take full responsibilty for what they put in their system, I think Maccarinelli was the same, I hate cheats and am all for life bans but truth be told there are levels to PEDs, some are blatant cheating and some are just naïve idiots, i'll give Whyte the benefit of doubt for the time being until I know more, its clear to see this isn't another Jarrell Miller case

From what ive heard and reading between the lines, VADA have maybe debunked UKADs findings and that's why UKAD and the BBBC cleared him to fight, VADA are the numero uno when it comes to testing and its clear to see UKAD are a bunch of clowns, we just need to remember the situation with the Fury's to know that much

What I will say though UKAD need to do away with the confidential crap, even if there's a query with findings all parties involved need to be aware even its not certain theres been any wrongdoing, I feel sorry for Rivas in all this but as Eddie says if he has failed as well then he or Whyte wont know for the same reasons, UKAD don't tell anyone dick and we know the VADA tests have been fine because they would reveal all

UKAD aren't fit for purpose, they have got the resourses to fight their own cases, wasn't the reason the Fury's got off was because a courtcase would bankrupt them??

That's the biggest issue for me. The lack of transparency is what creates all the speculation. If it was done in the open then it would get cleared up pretty quickly.

[handsofstone]

From what ive heard and reading between the lines, VADA have maybe debunked UKADs findings and that's why UKAD and the BBBC cleared him to fight, VADA are the numero uno when it comes to testing and its clear to see UKAD are a bunch of clowns, we just need to remember the situation with the Fury's to know that much

There's plenty of reasons why ONE might find something and the other wouldn't, unless they were sharing the same sample (which would be weird). Don't imagine either were testing him every day, so what day they took the tests could have been important, how long Dbol shows up in a test could be an issue, how much fluid he had in his system for each of the tests, and even whether Dbol "pulses" in tests (see the Jon Jones case).

VADA say doing tests on the 8th, 12th and 17th might have missed it if he took it on the 13th and it was cleared from his system 3 days later, whilst UKAD could have tested him on the 14th, and bang, traces of the metabolite show up. (dates used as example, and aren't specific to this case)

VADA might be number 1 but there are still hundreds of flaws with any testing, especially when the drugs are becoming ever harder to track and it can come down to luck of the testers.

Nice post I agree

[Boxerbeetle]

With his shape you would be surprised if Ruiz was juicing!

I wouldn't. He might have plenty of unseen enhanced muscle under that fat, and recall that Miller was busted for Cardarine for improved stamina. EPO's one of the tricky ones because it's detectable during its peak enhancement. So it's a big timing gamble, but also a big help.

Could it be that Wilder's more devastating 225lb self is the PED version? I'd been putting his weight loss down to the pressure of bigger fights, but it's very plausible that that was down to stricter testing. Wilder looks like one of the fittest heavies (book by its cover, I know), and yet he tires. I'd be very surprised if any top fighter's clean, but not surprised if Wilder's a lighter user.

Ruiz was also a lot more active against Joshua that he was against Parker for example...not accusing him by any means, but agree that his build shouldn’t exclude the possibility of him using PEDs. Frankly I think they’re all on them anyway.

[Boxerbeetle]

And Fury has always looked like sh!t in terms of build, and still failed a test.

[margaret thatcher]

Toney failed a ped test too

Flabs more of a calorie issue then a ped issue. Fat guys still have muscle and stuff under there fat, they can still get plenty of benefits from peds while being flabby

[Nondescript]

So he had a hearing as not enough time to test the B Sample. Over a week later, no news on the B Sample and you can bet your bollox that they have the results back from it.

That they have not said it exonerates him makes it clear that the B Sample is backing up the A Sample so they are trying to now fire legal bullshite around this to get away with it. However the truth is out there, some fanboys and idiots will go along with the narrative they present, but anyone with a modicum of intelligence knows all they need to do.

I will never fork out a bean to watch Whyte, nor will I support him in any way at all (but to complete my own double standards, I have no issue with Fury. I know, go figure?!)

It's more likely that Dillian elected to attend a hearing to explain the reason(s) for the positive test and/or put forward his legal position given the result and chose not to have the B sample tested.

Yeah that's the feeling I've got which seems even stranger to me. So say he just had a hearing instead of having his B sample tested.

Does that then mean that the panel who sat in on the hearing just believe what you say as gospel and let you on your way with no potential punishment?

Just going on what Eddie has said, it almost sounds like the panel just saw the evidence of the VADA tests being clean and then said well they were clean so there was no doping going on.

If that is the case, that seems pretty strange because what the hell is even the point of the UKAD tests if they just ignore their own findings.

[Nondescript]

Toney failed a ped test too

Flabs more of a calorie issue then a ped issue. Fat guys still have muscle and stuff under there fat, they can still get plenty of benefits from peds while being flabby

A lot of the more flabby ones probably don't watch their diets in the same way either.

I can't really imagine the Furys for instance sitting their and measuring their macros correctly.

[rd350lc]

And Fury has always looked like sh!t in terms of build, and still failed a test.

Don't know shite about the subject , but is it not more of a stamina boosting thing , rather than muscle building ?
Fury has great stamina .

[Boxerbeetle]

Toney failed a ped test too

Flabs more of a calorie issue then a ped issue. Fat guys still have muscle and stuff under there fat, they can still get plenty of benefits from peds while being flabby

Case in point, the undisputed Strongest Man In The World (TM) was a fat fvck

[Boxerbeetle]

And Fury has always looked like sh!t in terms of build, and still failed a test.

Don't know shite about the subject , but is it not more of a stamina boosting thing , rather than muscle building ?
Fury has great stamina .

Yeah exactly. That’s what I’m saying, it’s not just a bodybuilding/physique thing, can’t point to someone being clean purely on their body shape or type.

[rd350lc]

Don't know shite about the subject , but is it not more of a stamina boosting thing , rather than muscle building ?
Fury has great stamina .

Yeah exactly. That’s what I’m saying, it’s not just a bodybuilding/physique thing, can’t point to someone being clean purely on their body shape or type.

Gotcha , bit slow on the uptake me !

[Boxerbeetle]

Yeah exactly. That’s what I’m saying, it’s not just a bodybuilding/physique thing, can’t point to someone being clean purely on their body shape or type.

Gotcha , bit slow on the uptake me !

[CiganoBoxer]

So he had a hearing as not enough time to test the B Sample. Over a week later, no news on the B Sample and you can bet your bollox that they have the results back from it.

That they have not said it exonerates him makes it clear that the B Sample is backing up the A Sample so they are trying to now fire legal bullshite around this to get away with it. However the truth is out there, some fanboys and idiots will go along with the narrative they present, but anyone with a modicum of intelligence knows all they need to do.

I will never fork out a bean to watch Whyte, nor will I support him in any way at all (but to complete my own double standards, I have no issue with Fury. I know, go figure?!)

And Fury has always looked like sh!t in terms of build, and still failed a test.

Fury technically never tested positive,had raised levels in sample A but his sample B was tested which was totally clean, from my understanding thats why UKADA couldn't fine/or ban him and had to drop the suspension etc
If Whytes B sample comes back positive also then he's in a far different boat than what fury was in .

[KiwiRider]

I wouldn't. He might have plenty of unseen enhanced muscle under that fat, and recall that Miller was busted for Cardarine for improved stamina. EPO's one of the tricky ones because it's detectable during its peak enhancement. So it's a big timing gamble, but also a big help.

Could it be that Wilder's more devastating 225lb self is the PED version? I'd been putting his weight loss down to the pressure of bigger fights, but it's very plausible that that was down to stricter testing. Wilder looks like one of the fittest heavies (book by its cover, I know), and yet he tires. I'd be very surprised if any top fighter's clean, but not surprised if Wilder's a lighter user.

Ruiz was also a lot more active against Joshua that he was against Parker for example...not accusing him by any means, but agree that his build shouldn’t exclude the possibility of him using PEDs. Frankly I think they’re all on them anyway.

I thought Ruiz was really active against Parker. 12 rounds with only 1-2 rounds off.

[kbackup408]

My hunch is after reading everything, Whyte has TUE's which UKAD were aware of however VADA were not in the loop.

The test comes back positive from VADA, then the hearing before the bout with UKAD is just providing evidence that the flagged substance was an exemption.

[liamlion]

My hunch is after reading everything, Whyte has TUE's which UKAD were aware of however VADA were not in the loop.

The test comes back positive from VADA, then the hearing before the bout with UKAD is just providing evidence that the flagged substance was an exemption.

Very credible. Great speculation. That could actually be it.

[oogiebe]

My hunch is after reading everything, Whyte has TUE's which UKAD were aware of however VADA were not in the loop.

The test comes back positive from VADA, then the hearing before the bout with UKAD is just providing evidence that the flagged substance was an exemption.

What are the chances that a banned drug is used as a TUE?

[Nondescript]

It was a UKAD test not a VADA test that flagged something up. That's why both VADA and the WBC wernt aware of it. Whyte then used the evidence of his VADA tests all being negative for his hearing for the UKAD test.

[Ruthless-RKO]

I'm not the biggest fan of Whyte the person but ive always been led to believe it was a genuine mistake 1st time around when he got the ban early in his career, wasn't it something over the counter or in a drink or something? I'm still glad he got a ban as boxers should take full responsibilty for what they put in their system, I think Maccarinelli was the same, I hate cheats and am all for life bans but truth be told there are levels to PEDs, some are blatant cheating and some are just naïve idiots, i'll give Whyte the benefit of doubt for the time being until I know more, its clear to see this isn't another Jarrell Miller case

From what ive heard and reading between the lines, VADA have maybe debunked UKADs findings and that's why UKAD and the BBBC cleared him to fight, VADA are the numero uno when it comes to testing and its clear to see UKAD are a bunch of clowns, we just need to remember the situation with the Fury's to know that much

What I will say though UKAD need to do away with the confidential crap, even if there's a query with findings all parties involved need to be aware even its not certain theres been any wrongdoing, I feel sorry for Rivas in all this but as Eddie says if he has failed as well then he or Whyte wont know for the same reasons, UKAD don't tell anyone dick and we know the VADA tests have been fine because they would reveal all

UKAD aren't fit for purpose, they have got the resourses to fight their own cases, wasn't the reason the Fury's got off was because a courtcase would bankrupt them??

Yeh. I think UKAD have an annual budget of £600k..

[kbackup408]

I'm not the biggest fan of Whyte the person but ive always been led to believe it was a genuine mistake 1st time around when he got the ban early in his career, wasn't it something over the counter or in a drink or something? I'm still glad he got a ban as boxers should take full responsibilty for what they put in their system, I think Maccarinelli was the same, I hate cheats and am all for life bans but truth be told there are levels to PEDs, some are blatant cheating and some are just naïve idiots, i'll give Whyte the benefit of doubt for the time being until I know more, its clear to see this isn't another Jarrell Miller case

From what ive heard and reading between the lines, VADA have maybe debunked UKADs findings and that's why UKAD and the BBBC cleared him to fight, VADA are the numero uno when it comes to testing and its clear to see UKAD are a bunch of clowns, we just need to remember the situation with the Fury's to know that much

What I will say though UKAD need to do away with the confidential crap, even if there's a query with findings all parties involved need to be aware even its not certain theres been any wrongdoing, I feel sorry for Rivas in all this but as Eddie says if he has failed as well then he or Whyte wont know for the same reasons, UKAD don't tell anyone dick and we know the VADA tests have been fine because they would reveal all

UKAD aren't fit for purpose, they have got the resourses to fight their own cases, wasn't the reason the Fury's got off was because a courtcase would bankrupt them??

Yeh. I think UKAD have an annual budget of £600k..

Sorry for chiming in but if that £600K figure is correct - UKAD is absolutely incompetent when it comes to testing

[Ruthless-RKO]

Yeh. I think UKAD have an annual budget of £600k..

Sorry for chiming in but if that £600K figure is correct - UKAD is absolutely incompetent when it comes to testing

Look at this

https://www.ukad.org.uk/news/article/uk ... ding-boost

Apparently the gov gave them a £6m cash injection for 2 years

[liamlion]

My hunch is after reading everything, Whyte has TUE's which UKAD were aware of however VADA were not in the loop.

The test comes back positive from VADA, then the hearing before the bout with UKAD is just providing evidence that the flagged substance was an exemption.

What are the chances that a banned drug is used as a TUE?

It happened with Billy Joe Saunders.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Yeh. I think UKAD have an annual budget of £600k..

Sorry for chiming in but if that £600K figure is correct - UKAD is absolutely incompetent when it comes to testing

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&sourc ... 1343733194

This too. It was increased during the Fury trial.

[oogiebe]

What are the chances that a banned drug is used as a TUE?

It happened with Billy Joe Saunders.

I'm sorry, not a banned drug (obviously) but an illegal one, such as dianobol (sp?). I was under the impression that this drug was illegal in most countries, not just boxing.