Does Wilder have the most powerful punch in boxing

[snake33]

Right now yes. All time no.
Lewis, Foreman and Tyson had as big or bigger right hands.
And they were better boxers.

[oogiebe]

Right now yes. All time no.
Lewis, Foreman and Tyson had as big or bigger right hands.
And they were better boxers.

lewis foreman and Shavers. Tyson was more speed and combos than one punch knockout power like the others. You didn't see Tyson's punches coming. Foreman and Shavers you saw them, but it didn't help too much.

[cormack]

what can you base that assertion on ?

rabbit in the headlamps fighters who dont move their head ie brezeale who just took a pay cheque for a few minutes in the ring ..

loading up huge swinging punches isnt really much of a skill set vs measured boxing / punch variety and looking to win rounds .

[oogiebe]

what can you base that assertion on ?

rabbit in the headlamps fighters who dont move their head ie brezeale who just took a pay cheque for a few minutes in the ring ..

loading up huge swinging punches isnt really much of a skill set vs measured boxing / punch variety and looking to win rounds .

What assertion?

[RonnyJ]

that poo about foreman is priceless.

foreman just wiped the floor with world class fighters like frazier, norton & others.

foreman just coming to his senses for a moment, not trying to literally kill ali with every single murderous punch or just one of those punches landing just about an asses hair closer, de facto on the button or ali's timing off by a split second and the greatest would have been down and out.

both of their lives would have went a completely different way than they did.

how would boxing history have changed if foreman knocked out ali that night?

foreman against frazier was like 2 different weight classes. therefore i dont give much credit to lewis when he defeated tyson or most of his opponents, same goes for wladimir. lewis and wladimir were good at beating opponents way smaller than them and once they fought somebody equal size, than they got schooled or wrecked as it was the case against fury, joshua or vitaly.

mad a fact, same goes for ali. ali was good at beating small joe and fat slow liston. once he fought the big guys foreman, norton, holmes, all he did was losing, getting gift descisions or having mayor problems.

thats why i give so much credit to tyson, he did all his sh/(&t while being 5'10

back to foreman. slow, inaccurate, telegraphed his shots. yet still an atg cause of his bear like punching power and size

[gilgamesh]

that poo about foreman is priceless.

foreman just wiped the floor with world class fighters like frazier, norton & others.

foreman just coming to his senses for a moment, not trying to literally kill ali with every single murderous punch or just one of those punches landing just about an asses hair closer, de facto on the button or ali's timing off by a split second and the greatest would have been down and out.

both of their lives would have went a completely different way than they did.

how would boxing history have changed if foreman knocked out ali that night?

foreman against frazier was like 2 different weight classes. therefore i dont give much credit to lewis when he defeated tyson or most of his opponents, same goes for wladimir. lewis and wladimir were good at beating opponents way smaller than them and once they fought somebody equal size, than they got schooled or wrecked as it was the case against fury, joshua or vitaly.

mad a fact, same goes for ali. ali was good at beating small joe and fat slow liston. once he fought the big guys foreman, norton, holmes, all he did was losing, getting gift descisions or having mayor problems.

thats why i give so much credit to tyson, he did all his sh/(&t while being 5'10

back to foreman. slow, inaccurate, telegraphed his shots. yet still an atg cause of his bear like punching power and size

I'd be curious to know how much of a size difference you think there was there.

Foreman was only like 15 or 20 pounds bigger than Frazier. You'll see much larger size gaps in the modern era.

Ali struggled, and never did anything but against larger fighters? He struggled against Foreman?

Where are you getting your Boxing history from dude?

[RonnyJ]

Right now yes. All time no.
Lewis, Foreman and Tyson had as big or bigger right hands.
And they were better boxers.

lewis foreman and Shavers. Tyson was more speed and combos than one punch knockout power like the others. You didn't see Tyson's punches coming. Foreman and Shavers you saw them, but it didn't help too much.

one punch tyson punched harder than lewis. tyson just put up combo, so the power distributes a bit, but when tyson everything in 1 punch and that landed over.

where is tua, peter in that discussion?

[RonnyJ]

foreman against frazier was like 2 different weight classes. therefore i dont give much credit to lewis when he defeated tyson or most of his opponents, same goes for wladimir. lewis and wladimir were good at beating opponents way smaller than them and once they fought somebody equal size, than they got schooled or wrecked as it was the case against fury, joshua or vitaly.

mad a fact, same goes for ali. ali was good at beating small joe and fat slow liston. once he fought the big guys foreman, norton, holmes, all he did was losing, getting gift descisions or having mayor problems.

thats why i give so much credit to tyson, he did all his sh/(&t while being 5'10

back to foreman. slow, inaccurate, telegraphed his shots. yet still an atg cause of his bear like punching power and size

I'd be curious to know how much of a size difference you think there was there.

Foreman was only like 15 or 20 pounds bigger than Frazier. You'll see much larger size gaps in the modern era.

Ali struggled, and never did anything but against larger fighters? He struggled against Foreman?

Where are you getting your Boxing history from dude?

did he got gift descisions against norton? did he got pumbled most of the rounds by foreman?

[gilgamesh]

lewis foreman and Shavers. Tyson was more speed and combos than one punch knockout power like the others. You didn't see Tyson's punches coming. Foreman and Shavers you saw them, but it didn't help too much.

one punch tyson punched harder than lewis. tyson just put up combo, so the power distributes a bit, but when tyson everything in 1 punch and that landed over.

where is tua, peter in that discussion?

Peter was a big hitter, but too crude to accurately land his best shots more often than not. Especially against high quality opponents.

Tua was a little less crude, but usually also couldn't get it done against top level opposition.

Wilder still hasn't got it done against top level guys for that matter. We'll see if he gets Fury in the rematch.

[gilgamesh]

I'd be curious to know how much of a size difference you think there was there.

Foreman was only like 15 or 20 pounds bigger than Frazier. You'll see much larger size gaps in the modern era.

Ali struggled, and never did anything but against larger fighters? He struggled against Foreman?

Where are you getting your Boxing history from dude?

did he got gift descisions against norton? did he got pumbled most of the rounds by foreman?

Gift decisions against Norton, yes.

He followed a game plan and did well throughout the Foreman fight. He may have lost about 3 or 4 rounds, but I never felt as if the fight wasn't going the way he had tactically planned for.

He undoubtedly won the 5th, probably the 1st, and a few others against Foreman.

Norton fought a much smarter fight against him than Foreman did.

[RonnyJ]

one punch tyson punched harder than lewis. tyson just put up combo, so the power distributes a bit, but when tyson everything in 1 punch and that landed over.

where is tua, peter in that discussion?

Peter was a big hitter, but too crude to accurately land his best shots more often than not. Especially against high quality opponents.

Tua was a little less crude, but usually also couldn't get it done against top level opposition.

Wilder still hasn't got it done against top level guys for that matter. We'll see if he gets Fury in the rematch.

just based on raw punching power, excluding accuracy timing.

[RonnyJ]

did he got gift descisions against norton? did he got pumbled most of the rounds by foreman?

Gift decisions against Norton, yes.

He followed a game plan and did well throughout the Foreman fight. He may have lost about 3 or 4 rounds, but I never felt as if the fight wasn't going the way he had tactically planned for.

He undoubtedly won the 5th, probably the 1st, and a few others against Foreman.

Norton fought a much smarter fight against him than Foreman did.

hard to argue with that

[cormack]

what can you base that assertion on ?

rabbit in the headlamps fighters who dont move their head ie brezeale who just took a pay cheque for a few minutes in the ring ..

loading up huge swinging punches isnt really much of a skill set vs measured boxing / punch variety and looking to win rounds .

What assertion?

Does Wilder have the most powerful punch in boxing

[snake33]

lewis foreman and Shavers. Tyson was more speed and combos than one punch knockout power like the others. You didn't see Tyson's punches coming. Foreman and Shavers you saw them, but it didn't help too much.

one punch tyson punched harder than lewis. tyson just put up combo, so the power distributes a bit, but when tyson everything in 1 punch and that landed over.

where is tua, peter in that discussion?

Tua had a hard left hook (basically a left handed boxer fighting right, I think) but a one trick pony which is why he didn't go as far as he should have.
Peter isn't in the same class as any of these guys. Hard puncher but not in the same class.
Tyson's uppercut could put anybody away. Otherwise it might take a punch or two but you're out all the same.
Right hands: Lewis, Foreman and yes Shavers and Wilder but he's kind of a one trick pony too. If Fury can avoid
the right i n the next fight, he wins.

[oogiebe]

What assertion?

Does Wilder have the most powerful punch in boxing

today yes. All time? Questionable.

[marvelous marv]

The only way to judge this is to listen to what sparring partners or opponents say about the power afterwards. Multiple fighters have said Deontay is the hardest hitter they have experienced. What makes Wilder so dangerous is that he carries fight ending power in both hands so avoiding his right is not sufficient.

[oogiebe]

The only way to judge this is to listen to what sparring partners or opponents say about the power afterwards. Multiple fighters have said Deontay is the hardest hitter they have experienced. What makes Wilder so dangerous is that he carries fight ending power in both hands so avoiding his right is not sufficient.

And he carries that power to the end of the fight.

[sturm vogel]

Hard punching is only an element of boxing. Many terrible boxers can punch very hard. Go to the gyms and you'll see for yourself how many men can really crack. By the way, and this is point need not be overlooked, the "knock out artist" is one who not only has power, but is one who knows when and where to strike to achieve to stop his opponent.

So, to answer the question, Wilder is likely not the hardest puncher in all of boxing, but he is a knock out artist.

[Winter king]

He does hit very hard but he is also the master of landing huge telegraphed punches what kids do on punching machines so that ads to it . But to be honest he ko s guys cold with punches that look blocked to me and thats crazy power.

[cormack]

Does Wilder have the most powerful punch in boxing

today yes. All time? Questionable.

Time will tell ... I do believe some of his fights have been paydays for the opponent rather than a real contest .
even if he does have " the most powerful punch " he still has to land without leaving himself open to a heavy counter .

not all boxers will stand like a statue waiting to be chopped down.
ie Stiverne in the rematch who was a beaten man before even putting the gloves on .

[jamesmcdonnell]

He does hit very hard but he is also the master of landing huge telegraphed punches what kids do on punching machines so that ads to it . But to be honest he ko s guys cold with punches that look blocked to me and thats crazy power.

That's my take, he throws himself into the shots with no real thought about balance or defence.

[jamesmcdonnell]

did he got gift descisions against norton? did he got pumbled most of the rounds by foreman?

Gift decisions against Norton, yes.

He followed a game plan and did well throughout the Foreman fight. He may have lost about 3 or 4 rounds, but I never felt as if the fight wasn't going the way he had tactically planned for.

He undoubtedly won the 5th, probably the 1st, and a few others against Foreman.

Norton fought a much smarter fight against him than Foreman did.

Ali never planned to fight like that, in an interview years later he admitted that the original plan was to stick and move, but foreman was much better at cutting off his escape routes than he thought and he realised early on that it wasn't going to work.

The rope a dope was a brilliantly improvised plan b. He sustained serious damage to his kidneys however.

[RonnyJ]

Hard punching is only an element of boxing. Many terrible boxers can punch very hard. Go to the gyms and you'll see for yourself how many men can really crack. By the way, and this is point need not be overlooked, the "knock out artist" is one who not only has power, but is one who knows when and where to strike to achieve to stop his opponent.

So, to answer the question, Wilder is likely not the hardest puncher in all of boxing, but he is a knock out artist.

i mean just raw punching power. not timing, accuracy or the art of effective countering. just power.

[RonnyJ]

rewatched lewis rahman 2 and wilder brezeale. i think both ko punches reflect the strongest punch both ever showed in their careers.

i focused on the sound of the punch. just by the sound, wilders punch seemed more powerful. i should do the same with foreman, tyson and shavers.

[oogiebe]

Hard punching is only an element of boxing. Many terrible boxers can punch very hard. Go to the gyms and you'll see for yourself how many men can really crack. By the way, and this is point need not be overlooked, the "knock out artist" is one who not only has power, but is one who knows when and where to strike to achieve to stop his opponent.

So, to answer the question, Wilder is likely not the hardest puncher in all of boxing, but he is a knock out artist.

i mean just raw punching power. not timing, accuracy or the art of effective countering. just power.

Wilder is lights out. What more evidence do we need. His power is legit. Not many folks argue that point.