Is Fury the best heavyweight of all time?

[margaret thatcher]

How many people here have him as the best ever? Did they think he'd lose the rematch?

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

How many people here have him as the best ever? Did they think he'd lose the rematch?

I dont know im too lazy to look. Accuse EO of saying it maybe he will do all the investigative work for us.

[oogiebe]

How many people here have him as the best ever? Did they think he'd lose the rematch?

I had him losing the rematch and I don't have him as the best ever nor in my top 10 all time.

I think the following beat him head to head: (not in any order). I have trouble with older eras like Jeffries; Johnson; etc because films don't tell enough of the story and records are just paper.

Ali
Louis
Foreman
Frazier
Lewis
V. Klitchko
W. Klitchko
Liston
Holmes
Tyson
Holyfield
Bowe (yes prime bowe)

I have a hard time picking Marciano or Dempsey over many HW's, but vs Fury your talking a foot on height and reach and 100 pounds. All of which I think is too much to overcome. Also, Fury's story isn't done yet. What if AJ beats him? Or another fighter? My list could change some.

[adislav123]

just shows how damn stupid you are, naming just the all time great legends to beat fury.

naming all of them just more evidence for your idiocy.

zero knowledge zero originality plain idiocy. oogy!

[oogiebe]

just shows how damn stupid you are, naming just the all time great legends to beat fury.

naming all of them just more evidence for your idiocy.

zero knowledge zero originality plain idiocy. oogy!

Easy lad. Take your meds and lay down for a bit! You're way too obsessed with me. It's very creepy.

[cowolter]

Hi. newbie here
I think Holyfield, Liston, and a prime Ali stand a good chance of beating Fury. He would handle Mike Tyson with ease. But those other heavyweights I mentioned had significant skills and a great chin too.

[candyslim]

I'm not so sure about that. Fury is well used to fighting guys that are shorter than he is, who isn't (shorter) but he won't have had any experience of fighting anyone who is almost a whole foot shorter, world-class and hits so hard. If you are going to be shorter than Fury, and you almost certainly are, it could pay to be extra short.

Mike at his peak was very fast, could close the ring down very quickly, and was utterly relentless. Mike wasn't a great inside fighter but he would pressure Fury and close the range. Fury is quick and elusive and he might be able to control the distance in which case Mike's in trouble, but if Mike was able to consistently get to his most comfortable range Fury would probably find him very difficult to hit. He'd be too close and too low down.

I'm not sure which way it would go but I don't think Tyson would find Tyson an easy opponent to dominate. Of course it could come down to the referee because if Fury was allowed to continually wrap Mike up and lean all over him with his full body weight, this would probably be a game changer.

[ewenhay]

Definitely.

This my dad's bigger than your dad argument is far too simplistic

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

If wilder hadnt wore that heavy suit and mark breland hadnt stopped the fight too soon and kenny bayless not let fury cheat.... well we wouldnt have this thread at all would we??

[polecateddy]

Tyson v Tyson hey. I think in his prime Mike would have been a bit too quick and accurate. He actually beat 6'5'' Tony Tucker with the better skills if anything.

[JohnL]

No.

[Thomastearns]

Is Fury better than Otto Wallin, or did he just get lucky?

How about a rematch to find out for sure?

Is Fury (aka Mr Nandralone) the most conniving, devious, duplicitous, manipulative, scheming heavyweight of all time?

Probably.

After a lifetime of living on his wits, he's certainly no fool, is that Tyson. He's now learned to keep his mouth shut but he knows how this world works.

Now only if he was a good boxer ...

[BoxFrancis]

Ali would toy with fury ... Mismatch really

Wow

[BoxFrancis]

If wilder hadnt wore that heavy suit and mark breland hadnt stopped the fight too soon and kenny bayless not let fury cheat.... well we wouldnt have this thread at all would we??

Lay of the crack son

[littlepug]

It’s hard to pit boxers head to head from different eras as there are too many differences in eras to make a proper judgement, nutrition, medicine, social attitudes, training methods, differences in rules and tolerances towards injuries as well as financial, economic and political landscapes all Play a part in shaping fighters, this applies even more to heavyweights as they stand alone as a constantly physically evolving division so head to head is even more out of the question as a way of judging their greatness, only way to do it is by what they have done in their own era, has Fury done enough to warrant a no 1 spot ? Or top 3 or 5? Not even close, he’s not top 10, top 20 maybe but he’s got a bit more to do to improve on that for me.

[margaret thatcher]

It’s hard to pit boxers head to head from different eras as there are too many differences in eras to make a proper judgement, nutrition, medicine, social attitudes, training methods, differences in rules and tolerances towards injuries as well as financial, economic and political landscapes all Play a part in shaping fighters, this applies even more to heavyweights as they stand alone as a constantly physically evolving division so head to head is even more out of the question as a way of judging their greatness, only way to do it is by what they have done in their own era, has Fury done enough to warrant a no 1 spot ? Or top 3 or 5? Not even close, he’s not top 10, top 20 maybe but he’s got a bit more to do to improve on that for me.

What's your top 10 like bruhster?

[littlepug]

It’s hard to pit boxers head to head from different eras as there are too many differences in eras to make a proper judgement, nutrition, medicine, social attitudes, training methods, differences in rules and tolerances towards injuries as well as financial, economic and political landscapes all Play a part in shaping fighters, this applies even more to heavyweights as they stand alone as a constantly physically evolving division so head to head is even more out of the question as a way of judging their greatness, only way to do it is by what they have done in their own era, has Fury done enough to warrant a no 1 spot ? Or top 3 or 5? Not even close, he’s not top 10, top 20 maybe but he’s got a bit more to do to improve on that for me.

What's your top 10 like bruhster?

1. Ali
2. Louis
3. Holmes
4.Foreman
5. Lewis
6. Johnson
7. Holyfield
8. Marciano
9. Frazier
10. Tyson

[Paci]

If Tyson Fury cleans up the division and gets away with only a draw as his only blamish on his record. He was to be rated somewhere in the top 5 at least. But, he has to beat Wilder again since well, Wilder gets his sh*t thoughter and is focused for up coming the 3rd fight. Lets see.

At least Im seeing Wilder as the only threat for Fury then the other top guys would be outhustled, outboxed and be beaten up badly by Fury without a doubt in my mind. Right now. Usyk will be schooled, AJ will be iced and Ruiz will lose even in a pie-eating contest against Fury so no.

Talking history now is well, good in a sense. Since everybody is namedroping guys they only know by rep and never since in their prime and well, of course you hvae to put Robinson as p4p. Don't care, have your favorites. Do love the story around those weirdos thou. Will Fury make history? Well, he is the lineal champ since 2015 and twice gain the crown according to some rules and BS. Well, good for him. Like Cyberboxingzone just adding "2020-" and nothing else. Even weirder then Canelo gets the pass. Weird details more or less. Don't f*cking care. Just waiting for the 3rd fight with Wilder.

If Fury becomes GOAT, Im gonna follow his journey since the first time I saw him, as teenager and looking slick against bums.

[gilgamesh]

Unless he reigns for a solid 7 or 8 years straight he won't really have a claim for greatest of all time, but all he'd need is a win over AJ to definitively stamp himself as the best Heavyweight so far of the 21st century.

He's already not far from it as is, but that one more win, would put him as easily the best Heavyweight since Lewis.

If he knocked off a few more next gen contenders, like maybe a DuBois or Ajagba before he left the game it'd go a long way in establishing further his all time legacy, but I kinda doubt he'll do that.

We'll see.

Even as it is, he's basically already the best Heavyweight since Lewis, and if he beats AJ and a few other high rated contenders over the next few years it's not out of the question he could surpass Lewis.

He'd need several high level wins to do that though.

[Paci]

The division is deep as hell now. Wouldn't be any problem getting past Lewis in 2-3 high profile fights. Getting them is another problem. But, Im do think that the money is too good fight now, and the guys are willing too fight so, yeah hopefully we'll get them fights down the line for Fury and a hell bunch of other fights that are meaningfull for the top guys.

Beating Wilder again, then AJ after that Usyk or any other top 10-guy, he is Past Lewis in my book.

[ewenhay]

How many times does Fury need to beat Wilder for people to be happy?

Are these the same people that don't want to see Joshua v Whyte again because "we've seen this already"

[Paci]

How many times does Fury need to beat Wilder for people to be happy?

Are these the same people that don't want to see Joshua v Whyte again because "we've seen this already"

15 times.

[ewenhay]

How many times does Fury need to beat Wilder for people to be happy?

Are these the same people that don't want to see Joshua v Whyte again because "we've seen this already"

15 times.

. Not bad

[Onetimeonly]

Surely, everyone wants fury/aj. Wilder just has a rematch clause he'd be a fool not to exercise.

[margaret thatcher]

What's your top 10 like bruhster?

1. Ali
2. Louis
3. Holmes
4.Foreman
5. Lewis
6. Johnson
7. Holyfield
8. Marciano
9. Frazier
10. Tyson

Thanks! What makes you think that in terms of boxing career, Fury is nothing close to a guy like Jack Johnson? What if he KO'd AJ?