Write ideal boxing weight classes

[gilgamesh]

The post you made in the other topic about exceptions to a rule. Like the movie rudy. Never saw it? I mean if you look at it that way I guess you have a point. The miracle on ice in 1980 would have never happened but you still can acknowledge the fact that a team full of professional players vs a team of college kids is a little unfair. Just like a guy who weighs 250lbs size can negate any skill advantage a guy who weighs 210lbs has with one punch, or by laying on him the whole fight ala fury vs cunningham.

Jack Dempsey beat the sh*t out of a man who outweighed him by 60 or so pounds to win the World title. One of the worst beatings ever in the history of Boxing.

Who Jess Willard? Yea Willard was 38 years old at the time of that fight and Dempsey 34. Willard had also already lost 4 or 5 fights at that point so he wasn't a GREAT big man. Like you said exceptions, but a good big man beats a good small man, and a great big man beats a great small man. Almost 100% of the time.

So the f*ck what?

Leave the possibility open for something special.

[gilgamesh]

The post you made in the other topic about exceptions to a rule. Like the movie rudy. Never saw it? I mean if you look at it that way I guess you have a point. The miracle on ice in 1980 would have never happened but you still can acknowledge the fact that a team full of professional players vs a team of college kids is a little unfair. Just like a guy who weighs 250lbs size can negate any skill advantage a guy who weighs 210lbs has with one punch, or by laying on him the whole fight ala fury vs cunningham.

Jack Dempsey beat the sh*t out of a man who outweighed him by 60 or so pounds to win the World title. One of the worst beatings ever in the history of Boxing.

Who Jess Willard? Yea Willard was 38 years old at the time of that fight and Dempsey 34. Willard had also already lost 4 or 5 fights at that point so he wasn't a GREAT big man. Like you said exceptions, but a good big man beats a good small man, and a great big man beats a great small man. Almost 100% of the time.

So Muhammad Ali would have almost 100% no chance against say Wladimir Klitschko or Tyson Fury?

That's 100% stupid.

[sykessta]

Jack Dempsey beat the sh*t out of a man who outweighed him by 60 or so pounds to win the World title. One of the worst beatings ever in the history of Boxing.

Who Jess Willard? Yea Willard was 38 years old at the time of that fight and Dempsey 34. Willard had also already lost 4 or 5 fights at that point so he wasn't a GREAT big man. Like you said exceptions, but a good big man beats a good small man, and a great big man beats a great small man. Almost 100% of the time.

So Muhammad Ali would have almost 100% no chance against say Wladimir Klitschko or Tyson Fury?

That's 100% stupid.

Don't know tbh. Was thinking about that fight the other night. I think him against Wlad would actually be a pretty close fight due to the SIZE ADVANTAGE. Obviously Ali is more skilled and naturally gifted than Wlad, nobody is arguing that, but I think due to the size advantage it would be alot closer than people think even though me personally I would favor Ali in a close bout. People were smaller and lighter on average back then anyway due to not as good of nutrition/training programs. I think at what was Ali 6'4"? He would probably closer to 240 with today's nutrition and training programs.

[Tony1244]

I like idlamb's setup. Although I don't think a whole restructuring of weight classes will happen anytime soon. If we could tweak the top three moving cruiser up to 220 and lhw to 185 or maybe even 190.
Actually keep all the lower weights as is.
And change top five:
MW:165
SMW:175
LHW:190
CW:225
HW:226+

This is actually at least tied for the stupidest thing I've ever seen in my life.

why?

Let me ask you a question or two as well. Are you affiliated with any of the alphabet boxing organizations? If you are, I understand. We all want more money in the bank. If you're not, I'll try to answer your question.

What you are basically asking for is to have a CW champion such as Wilder, Usyk, or Hunter who may very well be <225 and a HW champion such as Chauncy Welliver. Is that something you are comfortable with?

[sykessta]

This is actually at least tied for the stupidest thing I've ever seen in my life.

why?

Let me ask you a question or two as well. Are you affiliated with any of the alphabet boxing organizations? If you are, I understand. We all want more money in the bank. If you're not, I'll try to answer your question.

What you are basically asking for is to have a CW champion such as Wilder, Usyk, or Hunter who may very well be <225 and a HW champion such as Chauncy Welliver. Is that something you are comfortable with?

Lol Tyson Fury is well above 225 no? Oh, and so is Anthony Joshua and so were the Klitschko's. Wilder has also fought above 226 8 times the majority being after he won the WBC belt. Plus my theory or whatever you wanna call it didn't call for any additional weight classes; it just called for them being shifted up starting at middleweight. Whether that puts any additional money in the ABC orgs pockets is up to speculation.

[Tony1244]

why?

Let me ask you a question or two as well. Are you affiliated with any of the alphabet boxing organizations? If you are, I understand. We all want more money in the bank. If you're not, I'll try to answer your question.

What you are basically asking for is to have a CW champion such as Wilder, Usyk, or Hunter who may very well be <225 and a HW champion such as Chauncy Welliver. Is that something you are comfortable with?

Lol Tyson Fury is well above 225 no? Oh, and so is Anthony Joshua and so were the Klitschko's. Wilder has also fought above 226 8 times the majority being after he won the WBC belt. Plus my theory or whatever you wanna call it didn't call for any additional weight classes; it just called for them being shifted up starting at middleweight. Whether that puts any additional money in the ABC orgs pockets is up to speculation.

I can't speak for Gil, or maybe I can. But if this is done, I fear a scenario where the CW champion is far better than the HW champion. Wilder, as you know, had a draw with Fury and almost knocked him out. Almost everyone was surprised that he got up. What was Wilder in that fight? 212?

If the CW limit should be 190 or 200, I see a debate there. But 225 for right now, I think is beyond ridiculous.

[sykessta]

Let me ask you a question or two as well. Are you affiliated with any of the alphabet boxing organizations? If you are, I understand. We all want more money in the bank. If you're not, I'll try to answer your question.

What you are basically asking for is to have a CW champion such as Wilder, Usyk, or Hunter who may very well be <225 and a HW champion such as Chauncy Welliver. Is that something you are comfortable with?

Lol Tyson Fury is well above 225 no? Oh, and so is Anthony Joshua and so were the Klitschko's. Wilder has also fought above 226 8 times the majority being after he won the WBC belt. Plus my theory or whatever you wanna call it didn't call for any additional weight classes; it just called for them being shifted up starting at middleweight. Whether that puts any additional money in the ABC orgs pockets is up to speculation.

I can't speak for Gil, or maybe I can. But if this is done, I fear a scenario where the CW champion is far better than the HW champion. Wilder, as you know, had a draw with Fury and almost knocked him out. Almost everyone was surprised that he got up. What was Wilder in that fight? 212?

If the CW limit should be 190 or 200, I see a debate there. But 225 for right now, I think is beyond ridiculous.

Yea and what happened in the rematch? Well alot of people think it was Wilder bulking up that screwed him. Kind of like Tyson. (Mike.) Fury, has surprised me with his boxing ability since his comeback, I thought he looked like a complete stiff with no boxing skills whatsoever when I first saw him against Steve Cunningham in I think it was 2013. Then when he beat Wlad I thought it was because Wlad wasn't used to fighting someone his size (hmm..)(although I think a Wlad 5-10 years prior would have got the job done.) But he did surprise me with his handspeed and boxing ability when he fought Wilder in the first fight. I thought he wasn't gonna be a world champion after that long layoff with all the drugs and mental hospital visits and whatnot. But, it could just be that Fury isn't that good and neither is Wilder. I mean I never really rated Wilder that high. Slow, sloppy footowork, windmills when he gets guys hurt, questions about his chin. He just has that right hand that can put anybody out. But we'll see. I think Fury stops him again in the third fight and then well see what Fury is all bout when he fights Joshua.

[Tony1244]

Jack Dempsey beat the sh*t out of a man who outweighed him by 60 or so pounds to win the World title. One of the worst beatings ever in the history of Boxing.

Who Jess Willard? Yea Willard was 38 years old at the time of that fight and Dempsey 34. Willard had also already lost 4 or 5 fights at that point so he wasn't a GREAT big man. Like you said exceptions, but a good big man beats a good small man, and a great big man beats a great small man. Almost 100% of the time.

So Muhammad Ali would have almost 100% no chance against say Wladimir Klitschko or Tyson Fury?

That's 100% stupid.

If Syke. had his way Dempsey would have been CW champion and Willard would have been Super Duper HW champion, and they likely never would have fought.

[sykessta]

Who Jess Willard? Yea Willard was 38 years old at the time of that fight and Dempsey 34. Willard had also already lost 4 or 5 fights at that point so he wasn't a GREAT big man. Like you said exceptions, but a good big man beats a good small man, and a great big man beats a great small man. Almost 100% of the time.

So Muhammad Ali would have almost 100% no chance against say Wladimir Klitschko or Tyson Fury?

That's 100% stupid.

If Syke. had his way Dempsey would have been CW champion and Willard would have been Super Duper HW champion, and they likely never would have fought.

1919 was when they fought. The average man in the USA was 5 feet 7 inches. In 2020 it was 5 feet 9 inches. Average male weight in 1920 was 175 pounds in the USA. In 2020 it is 197 pounds. So, no in 1920 they were both considered big men. One bigger that the other probably yea a "super duper" in Willard's case. Nowadays Dempsey would be considered an average athlete and Willard a regular "big man."

[gilgamesh]

Who Jess Willard? Yea Willard was 38 years old at the time of that fight and Dempsey 34. Willard had also already lost 4 or 5 fights at that point so he wasn't a GREAT big man. Like you said exceptions, but a good big man beats a good small man, and a great big man beats a great small man. Almost 100% of the time.

So Muhammad Ali would have almost 100% no chance against say Wladimir Klitschko or Tyson Fury?

That's 100% stupid.

If Syke. had his way Dempsey would have been CW champion and Willard would have been Super Duper HW champion, and they likely never would have fought.

Not just that. How many Cruiserweight Champions have ever become legit big name stars in the sport?

You can count 'em on one hand.

They're asking a large portion of fighters to be a lot less recognized or cared about than if they just kept doing what they're doing.

[gilgamesh]

So Muhammad Ali would have almost 100% no chance against say Wladimir Klitschko or Tyson Fury?

That's 100% stupid.

If Syke. had his way Dempsey would have been CW champion and Willard would have been Super Duper HW champion, and they likely never would have fought.

1919 was when they fought. The average man in the USA was 5 feet 7 inches. In 2020 it was 5 feet 9 inches. Average male weight in 1920 was 175 pounds in the USA. In 2020 it is 197 pounds. So, no in 1920 they were both considered big men. One bigger that the other probably yea a "super duper" in Willard's case. Nowadays Dempsey would be considered an average athlete and Willard a regular "big man."

People are heavier these days because they're fatter. Not because they're bigger and stronger.

[Tony1244]

So Muhammad Ali would have almost 100% no chance against say Wladimir Klitschko or Tyson Fury?

That's 100% stupid.

If Syke. had his way Dempsey would have been CW champion and Willard would have been Super Duper HW champion, and they likely never would have fought.

1919 was when they fought. The average man in the USA was 5 feet 7 inches. In 2020 it was 5 feet 9 inches. Average male weight in 1920 was 175 pounds in the USA. In 2020 it is 197 pounds. So, no in 1920 they were both considered big men. One bigger that the other probably yea a "super duper" in Willard's case. Nowadays Dempsey would be considered an average athlete and Willard a regular "big man."

But they both looked in shape and Dempsey beat the crap out of him, so that's the bottom line. And he would have beaten the crap out of him in any century.

People are getting bigger but a lot of this extra weight these days is simply not being svelte. If Fury had the body composition of Ali, he'd be at least 20 pounds lighter.

Seems like you just want to see more Wellivers and Butterbeans.

[sykessta]

If Syke. had his way Dempsey would have been CW champion and Willard would have been Super Duper HW champion, and they likely never would have fought.

1919 was when they fought. The average man in the USA was 5 feet 7 inches. In 2020 it was 5 feet 9 inches. Average male weight in 1920 was 175 pounds in the USA. In 2020 it is 197 pounds. So, no in 1920 they were both considered big men. One bigger that the other probably yea a "super duper" in Willard's case. Nowadays Dempsey would be considered an average athlete and Willard a regular "big man."

But they both looked in shape and Dempsey beat the crap out of him, so that's the bottom line. And he would have beaten the crap out of him in any century.

People are getting bigger but a lot of this extra weight these days is simply not being svelte. If Fury had the body composition of Ali, he'd be at least 20 pounds lighter.

Seems like you just want to see more Wellivers and Butterbeans.

So one fight from 100 years ago is your best argument against moving the weight classes up and totally negates the theory that a good big man is better than a good little man? 100 years ago. Foreal? My god. That is weak and p-a-t-h-e-t-i-c. On another note, in 1920 the hispanic population in the USA was .7%. In 2020 its 15%. Hispanic males on average are 5'7" inches on. So, if you took them out of the equation to match the demographics of 1920 the average white male in the USA is probably more like 5'10"-5'11". Sorry just thought about that a minute ago.

[gilgamesh]

I don't know how my argument isn't already getting through to these guys.

Ali. Tyson. Dempsey

The biggest stars. The biggest ticket sellers. The biggest draws in the history of the sport.

Created millions of fans. All referred to YEARS after their time as Legends, and mythical figures of sporting past. ALL under 225 pounds. ALL Heavyweights.

2+2 = 4

C-A-T spells Cat.

You guys getting it yet?

[Tony1244]

1919 was when they fought. The average man in the USA was 5 feet 7 inches. In 2020 it was 5 feet 9 inches. Average male weight in 1920 was 175 pounds in the USA. In 2020 it is 197 pounds. So, no in 1920 they were both considered big men. One bigger that the other probably yea a "super duper" in Willard's case. Nowadays Dempsey would be considered an average athlete and Willard a regular "big man."

But they both looked in shape and Dempsey beat the crap out of him, so that's the bottom line. And he would have beaten the crap out of him in any century.

People are getting bigger but a lot of this extra weight these days is simply not being svelte. If Fury had the body composition of Ali, he'd be at least 20 pounds lighter.

Seems like you just want to see more Wellivers and Butterbeans.

So one fight from 100 years ago is your best argument against moving the weight classes up and totally negates the theory that a good big man is better than a good little man? 100 years ago. Foreal? My god. That is weak and p-a-t-h-e-t-i-c. On another note, in 1920 the hispanic population in the USA was .7%. In 2020 its 15%. Hispanic males on average are 5'7" inches on. So, if you took them out of the equation to match the demographics of 1920 the average white male in the USA is probably more like 5'10"-5'11". Sorry just thought about that a minute ago.

Now you're talking about the Hispanic population? You're like EO who wants 75 divisions because of super lightweights and saunas or something.

Maybe Buster Mathis should have had his own division? Ever even heard of him? I take it you also have no idea who Buddy Baer and Lou Nova are either.

How's this?

CW up to 225. That way Wilder and Fury can both be champions. Of course we need a juggernaut division for Welliver vs the Midwestern guy.

How about a Super Juggernaut division for 400+ guys?

[sykessta]

So Muhammad Ali would have almost 100% no chance against say Wladimir Klitschko or Tyson Fury?

That's 100% stupid.

If Syke. had his way Dempsey would have been CW champion and Willard would have been Super Duper HW champion, and they likely never would have fought.

Not just that. How many Cruiserweight Champions have ever become legit big name stars in the sport?

You can count 'em on one hand.

They're asking a large portion of fighters to be a lot less recognized or cared about than if they just kept doing what they're doing.

This. You can't get any more moronic and prove my fvcking point anymore without me typing a single word. Were you a fighter? How many times have you been hit in the head? Dropped as an infant perhaps? WHY THE FVCK DO YOU THINK THERE HAVE BEEN NO STAR CRUISERWEIGHTS? Because they are too small to win titles at HEAVYWEIGHT. Everybody KNOWS that CW is an irrelevant division that nobody cares about. How about this. Who is the last CW champion to become a HW champion and be a legit big star at heavyweight? PROVING MY POINT EXACTLY YOU MORON! My point is that moving the CW limit up to 225 will make it a RELEVANT DIVSION. I stated that in one of my earlier posts for fvcks sake! Reading comprehension! What is the last grade of school you completed??? Guys that may get title shots at HW after being titlists at CRUISERWEIGHT and not win because they are TOO SMALL NATURALLY TO COMPETE WITH THE 250LB GOLIATHS OF TODAY will be competitive with each other and other guys who don't move past CW in a more RELEVANT CRUISERWEIGHT DIVISION.

[sykessta]

But they both looked in shape and Dempsey beat the crap out of him, so that's the bottom line. And he would have beaten the crap out of him in any century.

People are getting bigger but a lot of this extra weight these days is simply not being svelte. If Fury had the body composition of Ali, he'd be at least 20 pounds lighter.

Seems like you just want to see more Wellivers and Butterbeans.

So one fight from 100 years ago is your best argument against moving the weight classes up and totally negates the theory that a good big man is better than a good little man? 100 years ago. Foreal? My god. That is weak and p-a-t-h-e-t-i-c. On another note, in 1920 the hispanic population in the USA was .7%. In 2020 its 15%. Hispanic males on average are 5'7" inches on. So, if you took them out of the equation to match the demographics of 1920 the average white male in the USA is probably more like 5'10"-5'11". Sorry just thought about that a minute ago.

Now you're talking about the Hispanic population? You're like EO who wants 75 divisions because of super lightweights and saunas or something.

Maybe Buster Mathis should have had his own division? Ever even heard of him? I take it you also have no idea who Buddy Baer and Lou Nova are either.

How's this?

CW up to 225. That way Wilder and Fury can both be champions. Of course we need a juggernaut division for Welliver vs the Midwestern guy.

How about a Super Juggernaut division for 400+ guys?

Yea I'm providing evidence and statistics that back up my argument that you can't refute so your poking fun at my means of doing so. Then going to ludacris theories about 75 weight divisions (my proposition didn't add a single division.) then babbling on about butterbean or somesh1t. Doesn't change the facts I laid out my friend.

[Tony1244]

So one fight from 100 years ago is your best argument against moving the weight classes up and totally negates the theory that a good big man is better than a good little man? 100 years ago. Foreal? My god. That is weak and p-a-t-h-e-t-i-c. On another note, in 1920 the hispanic population in the USA was .7%. In 2020 its 15%. Hispanic males on average are 5'7" inches on. So, if you took them out of the equation to match the demographics of 1920 the average white male in the USA is probably more like 5'10"-5'11". Sorry just thought about that a minute ago.

Now you're talking about the Hispanic population? You're like EO who wants 75 divisions because of super lightweights and saunas or something.

Maybe Buster Mathis should have had his own division? Ever even heard of him? I take it you also have no idea who Buddy Baer and Lou Nova are either.

How's this?

CW up to 225. That way Wilder and Fury can both be champions. Of course we need a juggernaut division for Welliver vs the Midwestern guy.

How about a Super Juggernaut division for 400+ guys?

Yea I'm providing evidence and statistics that back up my argument that you can't refute so your poking fun at my means of doing so. Then going to ludacris theories about 75 weight divisions (my proposition didn't add a single division.) then babbling on about butterbean or somesh1t. Doesn't change the facts I laid out my friend.

Why aren''t there more great CWs? Because there is more $ in the HW division. Next....

[sykessta]

Now you're talking about the Hispanic population? You're like EO who wants 75 divisions because of super lightweights and saunas or something.

Maybe Buster Mathis should have had his own division? Ever even heard of him? I take it you also have no idea who Buddy Baer and Lou Nova are either.

How's this?

CW up to 225. That way Wilder and Fury can both be champions. Of course we need a juggernaut division for Welliver vs the Midwestern guy.

How about a Super Juggernaut division for 400+ guys?

Yea I'm providing evidence and statistics that back up my argument that you can't refute so your poking fun at my means of doing so. Then going to ludacris theories about 75 weight divisions (my proposition didn't add a single division.) then babbling on about butterbean or somesh1t. Doesn't change the facts I laid out my friend.

Why aren''t there more great CWs? Because there is more $ in the HW division. Next....

My WHOLE point is that there would be more money in the CW division (at least a strong possibility) if it were shifted at least 15-25lbs north of what it is today. You are completely missing that. Not sure what else I can do to try to hammer that home any more than I have.

[Tony1244]

Yea I'm providing evidence and statistics that back up my argument that you can't refute so your poking fun at my means of doing so. Then going to ludacris theories about 75 weight divisions (my proposition didn't add a single division.) then babbling on about butterbean or somesh1t. Doesn't change the facts I laid out my friend.

Why aren''t there more great CWs? Because there is more $ in the HW division. Next....

My WHOLE point is that there would be more money in the CW division (at least a strong possibility) if it were shifted at least 15-25lbs north of what it is today. You are completely missing that. Not sure what else I can do to try to hammer that home any more than I have.

You said my only point of reference was Dempsey-Willard. What about Louis-Buddy Baer, Nova, or Galento? What about Frazier vs Mathis?

Mike Tyson KOd Mike Jameson. Should Jameson have been in another division? He was 237. What if Pinklon Thomas was fat and weighed 237 in lieu of 217? Andy Ruiz would love your division. The new HW division of yours would be filled with Andy Ruiz'.

If you had your way, Fury and Wilder would never have fought.

[squiggy]

It annoys me that the second-heaviest division is so widely disparaged as a farm system for guys who aren't quite ready to be heavyweights. So fans look at a dude like Usyk who's dominating some very good opposition at 200 pounds and go "yeah, let me know when he's beating guy's that weigh 240." I don't get this mentality.
I also think there ought to be a way to eliminate freak-show fights where one guy outweighs the other by a hundred pounds. Something about that just seems to go against the very spirit of having weight classes in the first place. But I'm not sure exactly what you do about it, as there are so few Valuev-size dudes. I don't know, maybe I'm not opposed to the hugest dudes just having to fight among a very small pool of other super-huge dudes, and if they don't like that they can cut some goddamn weight.

I can't speak for Gil, or maybe I can. But if this is done, I fear a scenario where the CW champion is far better than the HW champion. Wilder, as you know, had a draw with Fury and almost knocked him out. Almost everyone was surprised that he got up. What was Wilder in that fight? 212?

Why fear that scenario? A lot of the heaviest dudes around are just not awesome fighters in any honest pound-for-pound sense. I don't agree with the insinuation that Fury isn't clearly better than Wilder, but it sometimes happens that a weight class has a more talented champion than the next-heaviest one. (Particularly, of course, with so many weight classes.) It isn't written in stone that the weight class with the heaviest dudes in it has to be the best or most popular one. In fact, contra the people who keep bringing up Dempsey and Ali, most of the biggest action in recent decades has tended to cluster around welterweight, which is basically the middle of the weight classes.

[sykessta]

Why aren''t there more great CWs? Because there is more $ in the HW division. Next....

My WHOLE point is that there would be more money in the CW division (at least a strong possibility) if it were shifted at least 15-25lbs north of what it is today. You are completely missing that. Not sure what else I can do to try to hammer that home any more than I have.

You said my only point of reference was Dempsey-Willard. What about Louis-Buddy Baer, Nova, or Galento? What about Frazier vs Mathis?

Mike Tyson KOd Mike Jameson. Should Jameson have been in another division? He was 237. What if Pinklon Thomas was fat and weighed 237 in lieu of 217? Andy Ruiz would love your division. The new HW division of yours would be filled with Andy Ruiz'.

If you had your way, Fury and Wilder would never have fought.

OK. Here we go again. You start by bringing up a bunch of fighters from the past and fights that are exceptions which gilgamesh has already conceded. How many smaller guys did those big guys beat before losing? I don't feel like looking it up as I did in the past because I already know the answer with 99.9% certainty. Not only that, but who the fvck is Mike Jameson? What else did he do besides lose to Mike Tyson? Nothing that I know of. So he wasn't that skilled of a fighter for his size. Guess who he probably beat multiple times. Smaller guys that may have been just as skilled but it was negated by their SMALLER SIZE. And on the Wilder Fury not, I've already went into detail on those fights and the fact that Wilder has fought above 226 8 times in his career (5 after winning the WBC strap.) plus was like 242 or something in the rematch. He could easily make 226 or above if he wanted to as evidenced by him doing so if he wanted a shot at the HW belt under the theoretical classes I laid out.

[H8Usernames]

The only intelligent way to do this:

Weight in pounds Weight incriment in %

Heavyweight Unlimited Unlimited
Super Cruiserweight 210 7.70%
Cruiserweight 195 5.40%
Jr Cruiserweight 185 5.70%
Light heavyweight 175 4.20%
Super middleweight 168 5%
Middleweight 160 3.90%
Junior middleweight 154 4.80%
Welterweight 147 5%
Junior welterweight 140 3.70%
Lightweight 135 3.80%
Junior lightweight 130 3.20%
Featherweight 126 3.30%
Junior featherweight 122 3.40%
Bantamweight 118 2.60%
Junior bantamweight 115 2.70%
Flyweight 112 3.70%
Junior flyweight 108 2.90%
Strawweight 105 2.90%
Light minimumweight 102 Lowest weight

[Tony1244]

It annoys me that the second-heaviest division is so widely disparaged as a farm system for guys who aren't quite ready to be heavyweights. So fans look at a dude like Usyk who's dominating some very good opposition at 200 pounds and go "yeah, let me know when he's beating guy's that weigh 240." I don't get this mentality.
I also think there ought to be a way to eliminate freak-show fights where one guy outweighs the other by a hundred pounds. Something about that just seems to go against the very spirit of having weight classes in the first place. But I'm not sure exactly what you do about it, as there are so few Valuev-size dudes. I don't know, maybe I'm not opposed to the hugest dudes just having to fight among a very small pool of other super-huge dudes, and if they don't like that they can cut some goddamn weight.

I can't speak for Gil, or maybe I can. But if this is done, I fear a scenario where the CW champion is far better than the HW champion. Wilder, as you know, had a draw with Fury and almost knocked him out. Almost everyone was surprised that he got up. What was Wilder in that fight? 212?

Why fear that scenario? A lot of the heaviest dudes around are just not awesome fighters in any honest pound-for-pound sense. I don't agree with the insinuation that Fury isn't clearly better than Wilder, but it sometimes happens that a weight class has a more talented champion than the next-heaviest one. (Particularly, of course, with so many weight classes.) It isn't written in stone that the weight class with the heaviest dudes in it has to be the best or most popular one. In fact, contra the people who keep bringing up Dempsey and Ali, most of the biggest action in recent decades has tended to cluster around welterweight, which is basically the middle of the weight classes.

I fear that scenario because it will lead to a CW champion like Mike Tyson or Ali and a CW champion like Butterbean.

Totally agree that Fury is better than Wilder, but that's not weight, it's that Wilder can't box.

Also agree that "a weight class has a more talented champion than the next-heaviest one," which is why I want less divisions, not more. Hell, 6 weight divisions would probably suffice if they were spread out correctly. Ok, 8-9 divisions is better, but that should be tops.

[Tony1244]

The only intelligent way to do this:

Weight in pounds Weight incriment in %

Heavyweight Unlimited Unlimited
Super Cruiserweight 210 7.70%
Cruiserweight 195 5.40%
Jr Cruiserweight 185 5.70%
Light heavyweight 175 4.20%
Super middleweight 168 5%
Middleweight 160 3.90%
Junior middleweight 154 4.80%
Welterweight 147 5%
Junior welterweight 140 3.70%
Lightweight 135 3.80%
Junior lightweight 130 3.20%
Featherweight 126 3.30%
Junior featherweight 122 3.40%
Bantamweight 118 2.60%
Junior bantamweight 115 2.70%
Flyweight 112 3.70%
Junior flyweight 108 2.90%
Strawweight 105 2.90%
Light minimumweight 102 Lowest weight

Jeez, why don't we just have a division for each pound.