Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Luis Ortiz | FOX PPV - September 4, 2022

[Evander]

PPV ...
Who's on the undercard and how much do they want ?

[Cyclops]

I don’t mind the fight, but let’s have it for what it is, a couple of decent heavyweight, this is not elite.
I was Ruiz is coming off two bad performances and Ortiz is old as fornicate, Ruiz might just be top 15 but Ortiz is not.

Well, according to our very own Boxrec forum rankings (the ones we vote on, not the website) they're both top 10, aren't they?

EDIT: My mistake. We have Ortiz at number 11.

They are, but our rankings seem to have a lot of inertia.

Ruiz is decent but Ruiz’s ranking comes from Aj 1, and fair he won 3 belts via ko, but to me in that fight he didn’t look great, just caught AJ with a good equilibrium shot. But as I said credit it fair for him to move up to 2 in the world there, However since then he is coming off two very poor performances since..

Ortiz is 42 (minimum), his best win in the last 5 years is hammer, second best is probably Dave Allen.... hard for me to have that top 15. I guess some could though. I have him like pulev and povetkin, so far past it they arnt really top 30, but due to inertia are considered top 10 by many.

As I said I don’t mind the fight. I like it, but to me it’s mabey 14th best vs 25th but I just know in the states it’s gunna get hyped as 4th vs 5th... that’s my only issue with it. (I think chisora beats both)...

I agree with you on everything (except Dave Allen being Ortiz's 2nd best win after Hammer: it's Malik Scott. But that's not exactly impressive). I'd love to kick Pulev out of our rankings, and at least Povetkin has retired so he's gone. I'd love Ortiz to be gone, but he put up a decent fight against Wilder even in losing both times so there's that to consider, and like you said Ruiz, despite looking crap in the Joshua rematch and being over once and seriously hurt twice against an old and long irrelevant opponent in Arreola, does still hold a dominant victory over our number 2 and did once hold 3 of the belts, so we can't just get rid of him as I'd like. Hopefully the 24th sends Joyce up the rankings and Wilder down a couple of places, AJ-Usyk clears up their respective positions in the top 10, and Ortiz and Ruiz both look crap enough fighting each other to move them down to their true level.

You think Chisora beats both, huh? Interesting.

[Evander]

A stoppage win for Andy Ruiz over Luis Ortiz will look good on paper.

[gilgamesh]

A stoppage win for Andy Ruiz over Luis Ortiz will look good on paper.

It also won't happen. It would look good on paper though.

[Evander]

A stoppage win for Andy Ruiz over Luis Ortiz will look good on paper.

It also won't happen. It would look good on paper though.

It's all speculation for now ?

[gilgamesh]

A stoppage win for Andy Ruiz over Luis Ortiz will look good on paper.

It also won't happen. It would look good on paper though.

It's all speculation for now ?

Yeah I don't know if the fight is official, but if it happens anytime in the next year Ruiz ain't gonna stop Ortiz.

[lazboy]

It also won't happen. It would look good on paper though.

It's all speculation for now ?

Yeah I don't know if the fight is official, but if it happens anytime in the next year Ruiz ain't gonna stop Ortiz.

It’s heavyweight boxing. Even though I also think Ruiz won’t stop him, I wouldn’t rule it out. We haven’t seen Ortiz in a long, long time and time is not his friend. Arreola was having a sort of resurgence in terms of motivation whereas Ortiz may be at stage where his motivation and ability are declining...rapidly.

Edit: I didn’t realise Ortiz had fought last year. Clearly missed that mismatch.

[margaret thatcher]

luis ortiz's wins over jennings and thompson are both better than povetkin's whole career, yet luis gets hated on and povetkin gets celebrated now, #smh #pbconppv

[Cyclops]

luis ortiz's wins over jennings and thompson are both better than povetkin's whole career, yet luis gets hated on and povetkin gets celebrated now, #smh #pbconppv

Eh? What you on about Mags: Povetkin has a pretty solid resume. Takam, Chagaev, Chambers, Byrd, Whyte, Perez, Hughie, Charr, Wach, Hammer. Even old Pricey.

Ortiz's resume isn't shit, but Povetkin's is better. You on the wind up?

[margaret thatcher]

me on the windup? why i never

[Cyclops]

me on the windup? why i never

you love a wind up, you do.

[margaret thatcher]

[lazboy]

me on the windup? why i never

you love a wind up, you do.

Get a room you two.

[margaret thatcher]

me on the windup? why i never

you love a wind up, you do.

Get a room you two.

[Cyclops]

you love a wind up, you do.

Get a room you two.

We're both posting from the same Travel Lodge.

But we have separate rooms.

I can go and join him if you want?

[lazboy]

Get a room you two.

We're both posting from the same Travel Lodge.

But we have separate rooms.

I can go and join him if you want?

I don’t mind either way, I just hope you’re being Covid safe.

[Cyclops]

We're both posting from the same Travel Lodge.

But we have separate rooms.

I can go and join him if you want?

I don’t mind either way, I just hope you’re being Covid safe.

I don't really understand why you told us to "get a room" to be honest. We disagree a lot on the forum and don't exactly tag team or anything. Keep the thread on subject. Are they fighting? Who will win? It's not even announced, is it?

[lazboy]

We're both posting from the same Travel Lodge.

But we have separate rooms.

I can go and join him if you want?

I don’t mind either way, I just hope you’re being Covid safe.

I don't really understand why you told us to "get a room" to be honest. We disagree a lot on the forum and don't exactly tag team or anything. Keep the thread on subject. Are they fighting? Who will win? It's not even announced, is it?

Never mind me/my comments. I’m not sure if they are fighting but it’s a fight I would like to see. I favour Ruiz, mainly due to his youth.

[nmhz]

Ortiz, even at his age still has heavy hands but wont hold that power past 6 rounds. Ruiz has good offensive speed but does take shots so Ortiz has a chance.

If it goes into later rounds Im sure Ruiz will out work him on points but no way he knocks Ortiz out

[Enlightened-One]

Andy Ruiz Jr. is a calm, heavy-handed durable technician who wears down his opponents using a combination of sustained moderate pressure and excellent punch variety.

He’s a fundamentally sound "stalk-‘til-they-can't walk" Chavez Sr. styled patient grinder.

And whenever Ruiz Jr. does stop his opponents (based on everything that’s transpired within the last five years), it usually takes him four or five rounds before his sustained pressure starts taking its toll.

Ruiz Jr. has only stopped four of the thirteen opponents he’s faced within the last seven years.

In stark contrast, Luis Ortiz is probably in his mid-forties and hasn't defeated a meaningful name within the last 6½ years. He possesses an allegedly "fearsome" reputation, but owns an appalling resume (in the context of his status in the sport).

When the Cuban fought Wilder, he outboxed an opponent lacking in pugilistic skills that has been hurt on numerous occassions - it's clear that Deontay's flaws flattered Ortiz. Anyway, Luis was stopped in both of those fights, partially due to The Bronze Bomber's power, but also because he ran out-of-gas.

I think Luis Ortiz's southpaw stance and fundamentally-sound technique would initially pose problems during the early rounds, but the Cuban won't be able to hurt the Mexican-American and he'll tire after five rounds.

I feel that, under the guidance of Eddie Reynoso, Andy Ruiz Jr. will be better equipped to deal with a defensive-minded opponent employing lateral movement, whilst attempting to fight from the outside.

And I also believe that Andy Ruiz Jr. will eventually adapt, wear down and outwork Ortiz, en route to scoring a 116-112 type decision victory.

I expect the Mexican-American to gain complete ownership of the winning momentum from around the seventh or eighth round onwards. Ortiz won't be able to cope with Ruiz Jr's sustained relentless pressure. He'll inevitably tire and resort to survival mode in order to avoid losing a third fight by stoppage.

Whatever happens, there won't knockout. And if any fighter does hit the deck, it'll be flash knockdown caused by being off balance.

[Finkel]

I'm going to go out of a limb and stick with Ruiz Jr. by late stoppage through accumulation.

I just think their careers are going in opposite directions. Yes Ruiz Jr. got dropped quite heavily and given some scares early on from Arreola, but beyond that it was a pretty one sided affair. Plus you've got to consider the likelihood that dropping so much weight will have affected Ruiz. Then add to that it was his first fight with Reynoso.

Contrast that with Ortiz. The 2016 version was a technically efficient southpaw who looked to be a strong finisher, with durability too. Then after his loss to Wilder in 2018, he has been matched extremely softly, I suspect there is a reason for that. And bar one round against a patsy, he won't have fought since being stopped by Wilder in the rematch back end of 2019.

Andy Ruiz Jr. is 31.
Luis Ortiz is 42 (if we are being kind).

p.s. call it a conspiracy theory, but I mentioned in passing a long time ago that Ruiz Jr. wouldn't be matched against Ortiz until Wilder was back in position for a big fight.

p.p.s. I also think PBC will prefer to push Ruiz Jr. over Ortiz, so I wouldn't be surprised if a ref waves it off somewhat unjustly.

[gregregegg]

I think ruiz stops him. Not through a monster shot, just through wear and tear (If ortiz is clean and thats a big If). Ortiz got tired while beating up wilder who although dangerous isnt the type of guy to brutaly wear your down. If ruiz plods fowards and throws lots of shots especialy body shots, i dont think a 42-50 year old ortiz will hold up 12 rounds.

bonus for ruiz If has picked up that left rip to the body whitch his team mates Canelo and Ryan garcia have both use well, and is extra deadly on southpaws, i dont think an older slowing ortiz is going to be able to deal with to many of them.

[candyslim]

me on the windup? why i never

you love a wind up, you do.

Thank f* ck he is or I'd be calling for the men in white coats. I'd pick Ruiz to win by stoppage mid to late rounds, but I'll believe the fight is happening when the first bell goes. Ruiz looked like sh*t against Chris Nipple but I put that down (rightly or wrongly) to weight loss.

[margaret thatcher]

i dont see a stoppage for andy, he's not a particularly big puncher and doesnt work hard enough

[candyslim]

He might not need to apply much pressure. It's questionable whether Ortiz lasts the course if he's just walking to the shops