Crawford v Spence % Purse Split ?

[Evander]

Crawford wants the lion’s share.

How do you know ?
And if you do what is he asking ?

Crawford said he wanted the lion’s share of a 60-40 split, which was captured on a YouTube video published either by Fight-Hype or FightNews.

Interview transcripts from the same discussion were also published via lots of media articles.

You could have Googled it.

But I want to know your opinion and take of the whole thing.

[Enlightened-One]

How do you know ?
And if you do what is he asking ?

Crawford said he wanted the lion’s share of a 60-40 split, which was captured on a YouTube video published either by Fight-Hype or FightNews.

Interview transcripts from the same discussion were also published via lots of media articles.

You could have Googled it.

But I want to know your opinion and take of the whole thing.

I just want to see the fight and don’t care what they end up being paid.

But when someone is the commercial B-side (by the proverbial county mile) making unreasonable demands, it tells me they don’t really want the fight.

Hopefully Crawford’s stance has changed since he was previously being greedy, because if it hasn’t, the fight definitely won’t happen.

[Evander]

Lets see some post fight interviews and some more up to date opinions from the boxers and promoters.

[Evander]

Crawford said he wanted the lion’s share of a 60-40 split, which was captured on a YouTube video published either by Fight-Hype or FightNews.

Interview transcripts from the same discussion were also published via lots of media articles.

You could have Googled it.

But I want to know your opinion and take of the whole thing.

I just want to see the fight and don’t care what they end up being paid.

But when someone is the commercial B-side (by the proverbial county mile) making unreasonable demands, it tells me they don’t really want the fight.

Hopefully Crawford’s stance has changed since he was previously being greedy, because if it hasn’t, the fight definitely won’t happen.

Bottom line with Terrence Crawford.
If he's asking for the lions share he definitely doesn't want the fight.
If that's the case let's move on.

[Enlightened-One]

Lets see some post fight interviews and some more up to date opinions from the boxers and promoters.

We already have the financial numbers, so in terms of purse splits, there’s nothing to discuss.

Crawford is definitely the B-side by a gigantic margin.

But I’m not even sure if Spence Jr. will return to the ring.

And I’m not sure if there are any promoters willing to pay Crawford the sort of purses he’s accustomed to receiving.

Regardless, the fight won’t happen for at least nine months or so.

[Evander]

And I’m not sure if there are any promoters willing to pay Crawford the sort of purses he’s accustomed to receiving.

Didn't Crawford offer Shawn Porter 1 million and upped their offer significantly afterwards ?

[Enlightened-One]

And I’m not sure if there are any promoters willing to pay Crawford the sort of purses he’s accustomed to receiving.

Didn't Crawford offer Shawn Porter 1 million and upped their offer significantly afterwards ?

Top Rank initially low-balled Porter and only revised their offer due to the threat of the purse bid process, because if Bob Arum allowed the fight to go to another network, he would have broken his contract with Crawford.

Crawford's purses were guaranteed with Top Rank. Bob Arum kept losing money on every fight he staged for Bud. They hoped he'd become a Canelo-type superstar, but that didn't happen.

[Evander]

And I’m not sure if there are any promoters willing to pay Crawford the sort of purses he’s accustomed to receiving.

Didn't Crawford offer Shawn Porter 1 million and upped their offer significantly afterwards ?

Top Rank initially low-balled Porter and only revised their offer due to the threat of the purse bid process, because if Bob Arum allowed the fight to go to another network, he would have broken his contract with Crawford.

Crawford's purses were guaranteed with Top Rank. Bob Arum kept losing money on every fight he staged for Bud. They hoped he'd become a Canelo-type superstar, but that didn't happen.

Shawn Porters purse was three large ?

[Enlightened-One]

Didn't Crawford offer Shawn Porter 1 million and upped their offer significantly afterwards ?

Top Rank initially low-balled Porter and only revised their offer due to the threat of the purse bid process, because if Bob Arum allowed the fight to go to another network, he would have broken his contract with Crawford.

Crawford's purses were guaranteed with Top Rank. Bob Arum kept losing money on every fight he staged for Bud. They hoped he'd become a Canelo-type superstar, but that didn't happen.

Shawn Porters purse was three large ?

Crawford-Porter split a combined total purse pot of $10m on a 60-40 basis. I'm guessing they wouldn't have received much more than those guaranteed sums, because the PPV flopped.

Top Rank were probably quite generous with their purse to Porter, who's accustomed to receiving large purses, because they wanted to avoid the purse bid process.

Bob Arum's original $1m offer to Shawn Porter (prior to the WBO mandating the bout) was a complete utter disgrace.

That said, Top Rank were in a tough position, because Crawford’s lack of commercial popularity meant they had to always attempt to perform damage limitation to avoid huge losses, whilst also fulfilling the terms of their contract with Bud.

[Evander]

2.7-2.9 Million ?

[Evander]

Crawfords main attribute is ?

Defence ?
Chin ?
Reflexes ?
Conditioning ?

What are Terrence Crawford's positive points ?

[Ruthless-RKO]

Crawfords main attribute is ?

Defence ?
Chin ?
Reflexes ?
Conditioning ?

What are Terrence Crawford's positive points ?

What does Crawford do wrong in the ring?

[Enlightened-One]

Crawfords main attribute is ?

Defence ?
Chin ?
Reflexes ?
Conditioning ?

What are Terrence Crawford's positive points ?

What does Crawford do wrong in the ring?

Inside the ring: Slow starter. Has been caught clean and wobbled by less-than-stellar opposition. He tends to make a fight more competitive than it needs to be by trading at close quarters rather than boxing. He sometimes needlessly loses rounds he could have easily won, simply because he didn’t let his hands go.

Outside the ring: Refusal to communicate with several media outlets. Lack of charisma. One-word responses to questions. Poor business decisions, due to prioritizing short-term financial gain over sporting legacy (resulting in a poor resume). Inactivity.

Terence Crawford is a fantastic fighter – a dead-cert first-ballot Hall-of-Famer. A complete all-rounder.

But he never fulfilled his potential at 147lbs and he should not have renewed his contract with Top Rank, because it led to four years’ of engaging in lackluster bouts.

[Evander]

Any ground being made on this ?

[margaret thatcher]

neither want it bad enough

both happy to pick up their 5m or whatever it is for fighting lesser dudes

[Bandog]

Assuming Spence beats Ugas, it will be 80/20, or 70/30. If Ugas beats Spence, we may be looking at 50-50, and would be totally justified. If I was UIgas's team, I'd call for 60/40.

[margaret thatcher]

neither dude really wants to fight each other that much, rather obvious

craw might be asking too much, but spence wanting 4x as much as craw would be an obvious fightkilling b!tch move that no dude who wanted it would make. craw made 6m vs porter, did spence make 24m vs porter (or garcia)?

[Bandog]

neither dude really wants to fight each other that much, rather obvious

craw might be asking too much, but spence wanting 4x as much as craw would be an obvious fightkilling b!tch move that no dude who wanted it would make. craw made 6m vs porter, did spence make 24m vs porter (or garcia)?

You know as well as I that a boxer with a higher PPV earnings historically gets the bigger %. Crawford thinks he deserves 50% because he thinks he is the #1 welter, which in my eyes he is. It doesn't work that way though. I'd be fine with 40-40 with the winner getting an extra 20%, but that is also a pipe dream in today's boxing business. Fans lose again.

[Enlightened-One]

Al Haymon Vice President Tim Smith, claimed that a three-belt Errol Spence vs. Terence Crawford welterweight clash is not a fight worth making right now. And he also said he’s too busy working with the PBC roster than to spend time building Bud’s career/popularity:

On the recent PBC Podcast, Smith explained why. It doesn’t make for good reading as far as the fans are concerned.

“Economics [is the reason]. You don’t want to insult a guy like Terence Crawford. He is a tremendous talent. I’m not taking away anything from his talent,” said Smith.

“But [Crawford] hasn’t been built into a pay-per-view star. I’m not saying that to throw shade at the guy, but you’ve got to go on his track record.

“You’ve got to go and look at what he’s done in the pay-per-view fights he’s been at, been involved in,” he added.

“It’s not my job to tell anybody how to tell him [Crawford] how to make him a Pay Per View star,” pointed out Smith.

“We have enough work on our hands trying to make our own guys into Pay Per View guys. But he just hasn’t been built.

“Trust me, if there was money in him fighting Errol Spence where he could get what he wants, and Errol could get what he wants, that fight would get made.

“But you don’t want to insult the guy,” he concluded.

So there you have it, Top Rank, Matchroom and the PBC all seem reluctant to work with an expensive commercially unpopular fighter like Crawford.

If Bud doesn’t lower his purse demands, he might be forced to endure a lengthy period of inactivity.

[margaret thatcher]

none of these cats, fighters or promoters (or 'advisers) want it bad enough. not crawdaddy, not errol, not the suits

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

They love internet fighting. Its ruined boxing

[Enlightened-One]

Terence Crawford is only six months from his 35th birthday.

If he doesn't sort out his promoter and network situation soon, he could eventually end up being on the scrap heap, due to being far too past-his-prime.

The clock is ticking...

[Ruthless-RKO]

Terence Crawford is only six months from his 35th birthday.

If he doesn't sort out his promoter and network situation soon, he could eventually end up being on the scrap heap, due to being far too past-his-prime.

The clock is ticking...

I don't think he passed his prime yet..

[Enlightened-One]

Terence Crawford is only six months from his 35th birthday.

If he doesn't sort out his promoter and network situation soon, he could eventually end up being on the scrap heap, due to being far too past-his-prime.

The clock is ticking...

I don't think he passed his prime yet..

He’ll be 35 years of age soon.

And he only competes once per year.

What makes his situation fairly dire, is that Top Rank, the PBC and also Matchroom aren’t interested in working with him.

His window of opportunity to compete at the highest level will be closing soon.

I feel that Bud is already past-his-prime, but he’s still an awesome fighter.

But the clock is ticking… and the sands of time are running out.