Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Gennadiy 'GGG' Golovkin III | DAZN PPV - September 17, 2022

[emallini]

Imagine GGG beat Canelo at 41, it would hugely improve his historical standing.

I think Golovkin’s historical standing should be improved right now considering Canelo’s recent wins and Golovkin arguably won both fights versus Canelo. But the biased media doesn’t want to talk about that. They want to focus on negatives such as Golovkin’s inactivity or his age. It’s disgusting what boxing did to Golovkin.

Yeah I agree with that. People shit on GGGs resume but he should have the P4P number 1 on that resume.

[apollo creed]

Imagine GGG beat Canelo at 41, it would hugely improve his historical standing.

That most probably ain't gonna happen but if a 40 y/o GGG would look decent and give fists to Canelo , then it'd tell us again how good G is.

People forget that GGG was avoided like plague by Sturm, Martinez, Cotto and JCCjr . Also Canelo vacated his wbc mw belt to fight Liam Smith and then JCCJr. and not his mandatory challenger in GGG.

Golovkin was 35 y/o and Canelo 27 y/o when they fought 1st time and a 27 y/o Canelo could not beat a 35 y/o GGG.

[adislav123]

Imagine GGG beat Canelo at 41, it would hugely improve his historical standing.

I think Golovkin’s historical standing should be improved right now considering Canelo’s recent wins and Golovkin arguably won both fights versus Canelo. But the biased media doesn’t want to talk about that. They want to focus on negatives such as Golovkin’s inactivity or his age. It’s disgusting what boxing did to Golovkin.

Yeah I agree with that. People shit on GGGs resume but he should have the P4P number 1 on that resume.

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[Enlightened-One]

But the biased media doesn’t want to talk about that. They want to focus on negatives such as Golovkin’s inactivity or his age. It’s disgusting what boxing did to Golovkin.

What did boxing do to GGG that's so disgusting?

He's on the cusp of receiving a third mega Canelo pay-day?

He must have earned at least $100m during the course of his career. He is already a dead-cert first-ballot future Hall-of-Famer.

Gennadiy's inactivity and recent opposition has been his choice, since he’s been self-managed and self-promoted for quite some time now.

He can’t blame anybody else if he’s the only person holding the steering wheel.

And regardless as to whatever you say about Canelo, at least the Mexican is willing to fight him for a third time.

What about GGG’s reluctance to fight Sergiy Derevyanchenko again?

For sure, GGG is a great fighter… there’s no disputing that, but surely you have to apply your moral rules and standards consistently?

[Thomastearns]

I think Golovkin’s historical standing should be improved right now considering Canelo’s recent wins and Golovkin arguably won both fights versus Canelo. But the biased media doesn’t want to talk about that. They want to focus on negatives such as Golovkin’s inactivity or his age. It’s disgusting what boxing did to Golovkin.

Yeah I agree with that. People shit on GGGs resume but he should have the P4P number 1 on that resume.

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Perhaps nothing highlights the depth of corruption in modern boxing than the story of GGG.

Controversial scorecards, corrupt judges, failed drug tests, extreme A side privileges, and the complete moneypot bias and partisanship of the major promoters, sanctioning bodies and networks, media etc.

Sniff that money trail...

[ironbeard]

Yeah I agree with that. People shit on GGGs resume but he should have the P4P number 1 on that resume.

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Perhaps nothing highlights the depth of corruption in modern boxing than the story of GGG.

Controversial scorecards, corrupt judges, failed drug tests, extreme A side privileges, and the complete moneypot bias and partisanship of the major promoters, sanctioning bodies and networks, media etc.

Sniff that money trail...

True.

There is nothing that Canelo can do to escape the 3G asterisk on his legacy. Nada.

[apollo creed]

Didn't a 26 y/o Canelo vacated his wbc mw belt to not fight his mandatory challenger in 34 y/o GGG, in 2016? Canelo fought Liam Smith and washed up JCCjr. lol

[Enlightened-One]

Didn't a 26 y/o Canelo vacated his wbc mw belt to not fight his mandatory challenger in 34 y/o GGG, in 2016? Canelo fought Liam Smith and washed up JCCjr. lol

Nope.

Canelo fell out with the WBC because they moved the goalposts and imposed deadlines they knew he couldn’t achieve, because GBP and himself were in court.

This situation led to Canelo boycotting the WBC for a couple of years.

And he even refused to pay the WBC sanctioning fees for the first GGG bout.

So had Canelo beaten GGG during their first bout, the WBC strap would have been declared vacant.

The WBC even tried to award “celebratory” belts to the winner of Canelo’s non-title bouts (i.e. Chavez Jr.) during their dispute… and he ultimately told them to fûck öff.

[RScarf1]

But the biased media doesn’t want to talk about that. They want to focus on negatives such as Golovkin’s inactivity or his age. It’s disgusting what boxing did to Golovkin.

What did boxing do to GGG that's so disgusting?

He's on the cusp of receiving a third mega Canelo pay-day?

He must have earned at least $100m during the course of his career. He is already a dead-cert first-ballot future Hall-of-Famer.

Gennadiy's inactivity and recent opposition has been his choice, since he’s been self-managed and self-promoted for quite some time now.

He can’t blame anybody else if he’s the only person holding the steering wheel.

And regardless as to whatever you say about Canelo, at least the Mexican is willing to fight him for a third time.

What about GGG’s reluctance to fight Sergiy Derevyanchenko again?

For sure, GGG is a great fighter… there’s no disputing that, but surely you have to apply your moral rules and standards consistently?

The draw and the decision win by Canelo helped Canelo make more money. Canelo is supposedly the number one boxer pound for pound. Golovkin’s last fight was 12/18/2020, so it’s just a little over one year of inactivity. That’s not a lot, especially considering the pandemic/plandemic. Why should Golovkin fight Sergiy again? Sergiy hasn’t been winning lately. Boxing boosted Canelo’s legacy at Golovkin’s expense. I believe the draw decision by the judges was planned beforehand. Then the rematch happens to make more money for Canelo and he definitely gets the decision of course. In MMA, when a bad decision happens, Dana White is quick to criticize it. Boxing has a different way of doing business. When is the last time a sanctioning body in boxing criticized their judges’ decisions? Has it ever happened? They may form a committee to investigate, but nothing happens. They don’t find any wrongdoing. Golovkin’s legacy is tarnished. What if Golovkin was still undefeated? Surely he would be earning more money from boxing. I don’t expect Golovkin to win a third fight with Canelo. I think he will deserve to though. I just hope he will look like the winner and that Canelo will be the most damaged. Golovkin is a real world champion and his age won’t be much of a factor in my opinion. The biggest factor will be if there is any cheating.

[Enlightened-One]

The draw and the decision win by Canelo helped Canelo make more money.

When fight fans were outraged by the outcome of the first Canelo bout, the Mexican granted Golovkin an immediate rematch.

And GGG is on the cusp of receiving another Canelo mega-payday in September, which will take his earnings from that trilogy alone to almost $100m.

In terms of Sergiy Derevyanchenko, GGG preferred to vacate his IBF middleweight title rather than fight him. And only chose to eventually fight the Ukrainian after the his loss to Danny Jacobs.

And even though most fight fans believe GGG was beaten by Sergiy Derevyanchenko, Gennadiy refuses to grant him a rematch.

Why should Golovkin fight Sergiy again? Sergiy hasn’t been winning lately.

GGG chose inactivity rather than grant Derevyanchenko an immediate rematch.

And from purely a business perspective, that ship has sailed. The rematch doesn’t make any sense now (in terms of financials).

But anyway, it’s interesting to see you criticise Canelo, even though it’s clear he’s willing to face GGG for a third time.

However, you’re praising GGG, even though he initially ducked Derevyanchenko and he openly admitted his reluctance to face him again.

You obviously choose to apply double-standards.

Boxing boosted Canelo’s legacy at Golovkin’s expense.

Boxing boosted Golovkin’s legacy at Derevyanchenko’s expense.

When is the last time a sanctioning body in boxing criticized their judges’ decisions?

In December, the WBA suspended their 2019 female judge of the year, Gloria Martinez Rizzo.

I could provide more examples.

Golovkin’s legacy is tarnished. What if Golovkin was still undefeated? Surely he would be earning more money from boxing.

Derevyanchenko’s legacy is tarnished.

What if he had been awarded a victory over GGG? Surely he would be earning more money from boxing.

To be fair, I’m less concerned about your comments relating to the Canelo-GGG rivalry, instead I’m more bothered about your application of double-standards.

GGG is self-managed and self-promoted, he is considered a dead-cert first-ballot future Hall-of-Famer, has earned hundreds of millions of dollars and also acquired a massive legion of loyal fans. So I don’t feel sorry for him.

I do feel for Derevyanchenko though, because win or lose, he’s willing to face anyone, but guys like him are underappreciated and he probably won’t be able to retire from the sport with millions of dollars in his bank account.

His controversial loss to GGG might have cost him tens of millions of dollars, but that doesn't bother you.

[RScarf1]

I’m not even going to bother responding to your nonsense. Sergiy lost twice since his fight with Golovkin. You selectively choose what to focus on. What about Canelo delaying fighting Golovkin before the first fight? What about Canelo delaying fighting Golovkin before a third fight if it even happens? You are just a Golovkin hater.

[apollo creed]

Chenko's face looked like pizza after the fight with GGG.

No one marked Chenko's face like G did.



26 y/o Canelo fought a 35 y/o Golovkin and he could not beat him,

Sturm, Martinez , Cotto and JCCJr avoided Golovkin like plague.

Now Martinez wants to fight GGG. lol

[Enlightened-One]

I’m not even going to bother responding to your nonsense. Sergiy lost twice since his fight with Golovkin. You selectively choose what to focus on. What about Canelo delaying fighting Golovkin before the first fight? What about Canelo delaying fighting Golovkin before a third fight if it even happens? You are just a Golovkin hater.

So you refuse to answer my questions…

…. and then you demand I answers yours?

You apply double standards to everything!!!

[RScarf1]

I’m not even going to bother responding to your nonsense. Sergiy lost twice since his fight with Golovkin. You selectively choose what to focus on. What about Canelo delaying fighting Golovkin before the first fight? What about Canelo delaying fighting Golovkin before a third fight if it even happens? You are just a Golovkin hater.

So you refuse to answer my questions…

…. and then you demand I answers yours?

You apply double standards to everything!!!

I’m focusing on Canelo and Golovkin. You won’t answer these two questions because you know you can’t defend Canelo. You know he delayed fighting Golovkin for the first fight and future third fight. You probably think Canelo ate tainted meat from a taco stand in Tijuana.

[oogiebe]

I’m not even going to bother responding to your nonsense. Sergiy lost twice since his fight with Golovkin. You selectively choose what to focus on. What about Canelo delaying fighting Golovkin before the first fight? What about Canelo delaying fighting Golovkin before a third fight if it even happens? You are just a Golovkin hater.

So you refuse to answer my questions…

…. and then you demand I answers yours?

You apply double standards to everything!!!

I’m focusing on Canelo and Golovkin. You won’t answer these two questions because you know you can’t defend Canelo. You know he delayed fighting Golovkin for the first fight and future third fight. You probably think Canelo ate tainted meat from a taco stand in Tijuana.

You're wasting your time ,fella.

[apollo creed]

I’m not even going to bother responding to your nonsense. Sergiy lost twice since his fight with Golovkin. You selectively choose what to focus on. What about Canelo delaying fighting Golovkin before the first fight? What about Canelo delaying fighting Golovkin before a third fight if it even happens? You are just a Golovkin hater.

So you refuse to answer my questions…

…. and then you demand I answers yours?

You apply double standards to everything!!!

I’m focusing on Canelo and Golovkin. You won’t answer these two questions because you know you can’t defend Canelo. You know he delayed fighting Golovkin for the first fight and future third fight. You probably think Canelo ate tainted meat from a taco stand in Tijuana.

You're probably awaring that EO loves to drag posters in long online debates for his own ocd pleasure. He has unlimited time for that.

Probably in 2011 when Canelo sparred GGG, he understood that G is too powerful and skilled for him.




The big problem at that time with G was that no top name like Martinez or JCCjr wanted to fight him and his resume couldn't warrant a possible big money fight. I think if HBO wanted to put some big money to make a fight between Martinez and Golovkin in 2011-2012 and G would've beaten Martinez and become the official kingpin at 160 then fights with Canelo, Cotto or FMJ would've been possible at that time.

[Enlightened-One]

I love the way that GGG fans keep complaining about how boxing has been “disgusting” to Golovkin, whilst actively refraining from discussing Gennadiy’s own conduct towards Derevyanchenko, his net wealth, his sizable fan-base and his status in the sport.

And they always attack the person that reminds them of this situation, whilst also refraining from discussing this issue!

It’s absolutely brilliant! I’m loving it!

[adislav123]

all you claim is ignored being discussed has been discussed multiple times.

keep on doin' your 'thing', eo!

soon literally nobody cares at all anymore, xcept the newbies tricklin'in that don't know your retarded redundant shtick!

good though seeing you cheerful! keep on lovin' it!

[margaret thatcher]

agree, if you mention one controversial decision, you have to mention every one there's ever been, or else it just isn't fair to alll the fighters

[Enlightened-One]

agree, if you mention one controversial decision, you have to mention every one there's ever been, or else it just isn't fair to alll the fighters

To be fair, the same people moaning about how “disgusting” the sport of boxing has been to GGG, due to the outcome of the first Canelo bout, are also refusing to consider discussing the fact he would have earned more than $100m from a trilogy against the Mexican, as well as ignoring Golovkin’s ducking and controversial win over Derevyanchenko.

It’s just double-standards.

[RScarf1]

agree, if you mention one controversial decision, you have to mention every one there's ever been, or else it just isn't fair to alll the fighters

To be fair, the same people moaning about how “disgusting” the sport of boxing has been to GGG, due to the outcome of the first Canelo bout, are also refusing to consider discussing the fact he would have earned more than $100m from a trilogy against the Mexican, as well as ignoring Golovkin’s ducking and controversial win over Derevyanchenko.

It’s just double-standards.

Golovkin was sick prior to his bout with Sergiy. He did not pull out of the fight even though most boxers would have. I think he should be given the benefit of the doubt in light of his two fights with Canelo. Sergiy is good, but if he won his last two fights instead of losing them, then he would be in a much better position for a rematch with Golovkin.

[Enlightened-One]

agree, if you mention one controversial decision, you have to mention every one there's ever been, or else it just isn't fair to alll the fighters

To be fair, the same people moaning about how “disgusting” the sport of boxing has been to GGG, due to the outcome of the first Canelo bout, are also refusing to consider discussing the fact he would have earned more than $100m from a trilogy against the Mexican, as well as ignoring Golovkin’s ducking and controversial win over Derevyanchenko.

It’s just double-standards.

Golovkin was sick prior to his bout with Sergiy. He did not pull out of the fight even though most boxers would have. I think he should be given the benefit of the doubt in light of his two fights with Canelo. Sergiy is good, but if he won his last two fights instead of losing them, then he would be in a much better position for a rematch with Golovkin.

That's all very good, but Gennadiy wouldn't face Sergiy again, even before his most recent losses.

Historical timelines matter.

I’m not being facetious either, but two wrongs don’t make a right.

If GGG fans feel that “boxing has been disgusting to Golovkin”, based on him receiving more than $100m for the Canelo bouts (i.e. an immediate rematch and a third fight in September), then surely the same rule applies to Derevyanchenko (but to a much more severe degree), based on Gennadiy’s ducking (vacating the IBF title) and refusal to engage in a rematch (preferring to remain inactive for 14 months)?

And if you disagree, are you saying that we should apply different “rules” and “standards” to fighters, based on whether we’re a fan of theirs or not?

[Bandog]

There is no amount of sugarcoating you can do to disguise Canelo "avoiding" GGG back in 2016. He fought Amir Khan, Liam Smith, and JCC jr before fighting GGG, after GGG looked vulnerable in a win over I believe it was Jacobs. Canelo "going in a different direction", using a bogus beef with WBC is laughable. The direction he was going was the opposite of GGG.

I have no interest in watching a prime age Canelo fight a 40 yr old GGG for a 3rd time, knowing unless GGG KO's Canelo, he will most definitely lose. Big money fight, and I guess that's what it's all about these days.

One thing Canelo has learned from Floyd, is to pick the right opponents at the right time, and avoid bad style match-ups.

[Enlightened-One]

There is no amount of sugarcoating you can do to disguise Canelo "avoiding" GGG back in 2016. He fought Amir Khan, Liam Smith, and JCC jr before fighting GGG, after GGG looked vulnerable in a win over I believe it was Jacobs. Canelo "going in a different direction", using a bogus beef with WBC is laughable. The direction he was going was the opposite of GGG.

I have no interest in watching a prime age Canelo fight a 40 yr old GGG for a 3rd time, knowing unless GGG KO's Canelo, he will most definitely lose. Big money fight, and I guess that's what it's all about these days.

One thing Canelo has learned from Floyd, is to pick the right opponents at the right time, and avoid bad style match-ups.

But you still won't talk about the GGG-Derevyanchenko situation, will you?

The outcome of the first GGG-Canelo bout was highly-controversial, but at least the Mexican granted an immediate rematch.

The outcome of the GGG-Derevyanchenko bout was highly-controversial, but the Kazakhstani refused to grant an immediate rematch.

People feel that the sport for boxing has been disgusting to GGG, due to the Canelo bouts, even though they would have improved his bank balance by more than $100m.

But the same people don't feel that the sport for boxing has been disgusting Derevyanchenko, due to his bout against GGG.

[Bandog]

If you compare gift decisions between Canelo and GGG it's not even close.

Regarding GGG not wanting another war with Derevenchenko? Ducking? He was 37 or 38 when he fought him. At that stage of any boxer's career they have earned the right to be selective. By your own admission 34-35 isn't a prime age for most to take on the biggest challenges.

Btw, hasn't Dervenchenko lost twice since that fight?