Why Jerry Quarry Deserves a Plaque at Canasota

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 17 Aug 2006, 13:10

Ambling Alp wrote:However, it's not like he ever came close when he fought Ali or Frazier (or Norton for that matter)

To be fair to Quarry losing to Ali and Frazier is no disgrace, and Quarry really was laying some heavy leather on Frazier for a while.

As for Quarrys fight with Norton, Quarry was on the slide by then and not in the best of shape and had also took the fight at very short notice when Ringo dropped out.

The Quarry who fought Norton was not the same fighter who outthought, outfought and outlasted Big Ron Lyle.

evndrbsn · Post by **evndrbsn** » 17 Aug 2006, 13:18

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:

Yeah Quarry could give guys hell, but he couldnt beat championship fighters in their prime.

overhand right,

quarry beat a prime floyd patterson. floyds a top 20 heavyweight of all time. floyd became a better fighter in the mid 1960s.

Did you even see the two Patterson-Quarry fights? Both were controversial as many people thought Floyd won both of them. It should also be noted that both fights were held in Quarry's hometown of Los Angeles, California.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 17 Aug 2006, 13:20

He doesn't belong into the HOF.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 17 Aug 2006, 13:22

Quarry once stated in an interview that Patterson was the dirtiest fighter he ever fought but Floyd used his great speed to get away with it.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 17 Aug 2006, 13:34

evndrbsn wrote:
BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:

Yeah Quarry could give guys hell, but he couldnt beat championship fighters in their prime.

overhand right,

quarry beat a prime floyd patterson. floyds a top 20 heavyweight of all time. floyd became a better fighter in the mid 1960s.
Did you even see the two Patterson-Quarry fights? Both were controversial as many people thought Floyd won both of them. It should also be noted that both fights were held in Quarry's hometown of Los Angeles, California.

not only did i see both fights.....i own them and scored them both round by round!!!

i thought patterson clearly took the first fight by decision. it was scored a draw but patterson defintley won

the 2nd fight was very close......i had it 6 rounds to 5 with 1 even for patterson but it was so close i could see it for quarry. quarry did a lot better in the rematch. did quarry deserve to win? probably.

so i count quarrys win over patterson as legit since i didnt feel it was too controversial. it could have gone either way. quarry also decked floyd twice so on a 10 point system he defintley wins.

Ambling Alp · Post by **Ambling Alp** » 17 Aug 2006, 13:34

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:jerry quarry was completley washed up when he fought ken norton. a prime quarry knocks out norton.

Norton was a much better fighter than Quarry. He did almost everything better than Quarry. Quarry would not have anymore than a remote puncher's to beat Norton.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 17 Aug 2006, 13:37

Ambling Alp wrote:
BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:jerry quarry was completley washed up when he fought ken norton. a prime quarry knocks out norton.
Norton was a much better fighter than Quarry. He did almost everything better than Quarry. Quarry would not have anymore than a remote puncher's to beat Norton.

even a washed up out of shape late sub quarry gave norton all he could handle in the first 3 rounds before quarry completley ran out of gas and norton took over. quarry has a better win resume than norton. quarry in his prime would go out there and stop norton in about 7 rounds.

i rank norton # 21 heavyweight of all time and quarry # 26 but quarry would beat norton

evndrbsn · Post by **evndrbsn** » 17 Aug 2006, 13:48

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:
evndrbsn wrote:
BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:
overhand right,

quarry beat a prime floyd patterson. floyds a top 20 heavyweight of all time. floyd became a better fighter in the mid 1960s.
Did you even see the two Patterson-Quarry fights? Both were controversial as many people thought Floyd won both of them. It should also be noted that both fights were held in Quarry's hometown of Los Angeles, California.
not only did i see both fights.....i own them and scored them both round by round!!!

i thought patterson clearly took the first fight by decision. it was scored a draw but patterson defintley won

the 2nd fight was very close......i had it 6 rounds to 5 with 1 even for patterson but it was so close i could see it for quarry. quarry did a lot better in the rematch. did quarry deserve to win? probably.

so i count quarrys win over patterson as legit since i didnt feel it was too controversial. it could have gone either way. quarry also decked floyd twice so on a 10 point system he defintley wins.

You said, "quarry beat a prime floyd patterson. floyds a top 20 heavyweight of all time. floyd became a better fighter in the mid 1960s." Then you said that you felt Floyd won both of the fights.

You said that you had Patterson winning the second fight 6-5-1 but said that Quarry deserved to win.

That makes no sense. The fight was not scored on the 10-point must system, so it doesn't matter.

I'm glad that you saw and own both fights

I've seen them both and own them, too.

Ambling Alp · Post by **Ambling Alp** » 17 Aug 2006, 13:51

I have never bought the Quarry out of shape theory. He had a fight just a month previously, so he should have been in good shape. He knew he was going to be fighting Norton 3 weeks a head of time, so he should have been ready mentally. It's not like he was a last minute substitution. A fighter in that situation only has himself to blame for losing.

And I don't think Quarry's record was better. Norton's win over Ali was bigger than Quarry's wins over Patterson, Shavers, Mathis put together. Norton also beat Jimmy Young and could have got the decison over Holmes.
Quarry lost more often to lesser fighters than Norton as well.

As for head to head, it's very unlikely that Quarry would be able to knockout Norton. Norton had a very good defense; Quarry isn't going to get to him often enough to stop him with several punches. Norton (despite what some people say) had a good chin and it's unlikely that Quarry would hit him hard enough to stop him with one shot.

Quarry's defense wasn't good and Norton would never have much trouble hitting him.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 17 Aug 2006, 14:01

i scored the 2nd fight 6-5-1 patterson but i could see it going either way so i have no complaints. quarry deserves the victory over floyd. it was so close it could have gone either way.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 17 Aug 2006, 14:04

And I don't think Quarry's record was better. Norton's win over Ali was bigger than Quarry's wins over Patterson, Shavers, Mathis put together. Norton also beat Jimmy Young and could have got the decison over Holmes.
Quarry lost more often to lesser fighters than Norton as well.

norton beat a PAST HIS PRIME out of shape ali. ill take quarrys victories over a PRIME floyd patterson, lyle, shavers, mathis, mac foster over the 1973 ali and jimmy young .

- norton loss to lesser fighters as well

norton could have got the decision over holmes, but young also could have got the decision over norton.

quarry proved he could beat a wide range of styles. norton couldnt. norton froze up vs punchers. norton avoided many dangerous contenders in the mid 1970s.

evndrbsn · Post by **evndrbsn** » 17 Aug 2006, 14:27

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:i scored the 2nd fight 6-5-1 patterson but i could see it going either way so i have no complaints. quarry deserves the victory over floyd. it was so close it could have gone either way.

If you had it 6-5-1 for Patterson, then Patterson deserved the nod.

If you had it 6-5-1 for Quarry, then Quarry deserved the nod.

Brock, we aren't talking rocket science here.

If it could have gone either way, then neither won really deserved the win, now did they? Thats why we have draws.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 17 Aug 2006, 14:57

Quarry vs Mac Foster.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8Jjkc6p ... ed&search=

Jerry Quarry vs Joey Orbillo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHA4tSA3 ... ed&search=

Jerry Quarry vs Thad Spencer 1968

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bPUbVGJ ... ed&search=

Jerry Quarry vs Jack Bodell,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQZEJLp5 ... ed&search=

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 17 Aug 2006, 15:04

quarry beat a top 20 heavyweight of all time in his prime floyd patterson. DEAL WITH IT

evndrbsn · Post by **evndrbsn** » 17 Aug 2006, 15:09

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:quarry beat a top 20 heavyweight of all time in his prime floyd patterson. DEAL WITH IT

Yeah he got the "win" but you can't build Quarry up saying he was so great because he "beat" Patterson. That's like my lauding Evander Holyfield for drawing with Lennox Lewis in the first fight or giving props to George Foreman for beating Axel Schulz.

Quarry got two gifts in a draw against Patterson that he clearly lost and a win against Patterson that he also deserved to lose. You can't build him up for getting controversial decisions in his favor.

Speaking of which, you must think highly of Courtney Burton for his win over Emanuel Augustus.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 17 Aug 2006, 15:10

he did not get two gitfs. quarry could have easily won the 2nd fight. it could have gone either way. i can see how people thought quarry won the rematch.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 17 Aug 2006, 15:14

Think the ref could have stepped in just a bit sooner for Foster? Or is that boxing at it's finest?

evndrbsn · Post by **evndrbsn** » 17 Aug 2006, 15:15

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:he did not get two gitfs. quarry could have easily won the 2nd fight. it could have gone either way. i can see how people thought quarry won the rematch.

What about the first fight? Patterson clearly won it and most people thought he won the second fight, yourself included.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 17 Aug 2006, 15:43

Jerry vs Earnie Shavers always good for a quick view.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myNypXx0 ... ed&search=

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 17 Aug 2006, 16:27

Decagon wrote:
BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:quarry beat a top 20 heavyweight of all time in his prime floyd patterson. DEAL WITH IT
He's not in my top 20. Heck, I'd rather see Jimmy Young in the Hall. He beat two guys in my top 10.

foreman was past his prime vs young and ali was way out of shape and far past his prime vs young

that was not the 71-74 wrecking machine foreman who fought young.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 17 Aug 2006, 18:50

not to mention he was on the verge of breakdown of sorts which couldn't have helped his focus much.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 17 Aug 2006, 19:08

i forgot to mention foreman and ali were still both very dangerous top fighters when they fought young. but they werent the same anymore

Ambling Alp · Post by **Ambling Alp** » 17 Aug 2006, 20:19

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:

And I don't think Quarry's record was better. Norton's win over Ali was bigger than Quarry's wins over Patterson, Shavers, Mathis put together. Norton also beat Jimmy Young and could have got the decison over Holmes.
Quarry lost more often to lesser fighters than Norton as well.
norton beat a PAST HIS PRIME out of shape ali. ill take quarrys victories over a PRIME floyd patterson, lyle, shavers, mathis, mac foster over the 1973 ali and jimmy young .

- norton loss to lesser fighters as well

norton could have got the decision over holmes, but young also could have got the decision over norton.

quarry proved he could beat a wide range of styles. norton couldnt. norton froze up vs punchers. norton avoided many dangerous contenders in the mid 1970s.

Well, I would take a win over ali in 1973 over wins over Patterson, Mathis, Shavers and Mac Foster. Ali in 1973 was still one of the greatest fighters of all time. Patterson, Shavers, Mathis, and Mac Foster all had chances to beat Ali, but couldn't do it. Norton was successful, and also gave Ali a tough fight in the rematch.
And you are going to include Mac Foster as a big win for Quarry, then you have to consider Duane Bobick as a huge win for Norton; Foster and Bobick has similar careers, and Norton was more dominating against Bobick than Quarry was against Foster.

Norton only had 5 losses before he was 35 years old. Two were to ali, 1 to Holmes, and 1 to Foreman. 3 of those 4 losses were very close.

Quarry lost to Machen,Chuvalo, and Ellis; good fighters but not anywhere near Ali Foreman and Holmes. In his 4 fights with ali and Frazier, Quarry couldn't get past the 7th round.

Norton didn't freeze up against big punchers. That is a myth. He was only knocked out twice in his career before he was 35. One was to Foreman, who would have knocked out almost anyone, including Quarry. The other loss to Jose Garcia is his only embarrassing loss, but atleast he did avenge it when he was a more experienced fighter. If the loss against Garcia is a big point against Norton, than Quarry's 3 draws on his way up should be counted against him.

Saying that Norton avoid top challengers is really being unfair. In a 6 period, he fought Ali 3 times, Foreman, Holmes, Young, Bobick, and of course Quarry. That's 8 fights in a 6 year period against fighters that are ranked atleast in the top 5 in the world. Thats pretty impressive competition. You can't always fight every other contender. Sometimes the other guy is lined up to fight someone else and you have to fight someone who is available.

Ranking Norton around #21 is pretty accurrate. I'm not trying to rip Quarry here. He was very good. However, ranking him at # 26 of all time is a bit high, and putting him in the Hall of Fame would be a mistake.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 17 Aug 2006, 20:43

george foreman ducked jerry quarry.

Ambling Alp · Post by **Ambling Alp** » 17 Aug 2006, 23:20

You are kidding, right?