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keithmoonhangover wrote: 24 Nov 2022, 05:13
elmersalsa wrote: 23 Nov 2022, 17:14
keithmoonhangover wrote: 16 Nov 2022, 16:56

100% agree. It was a phenomenal achievement.
Not as great as Duran vs Barkley. Marvelous was past his very best. Anybody could have beaten him that night.
Now your being silly. Leonard had boxed once in five years, had never fought at the weight and Hagler was so 'very past his best', he beat Hearns two fights previously.

"Anyone could have beaten him that night". :lol:

In one hand you've got Iran Barkley and in the other you've got Marvin Hagler. :maybe:
Marvelous was missing shots like crazy against a supposed rusted Leonard.

Marvelous was just fighting for the millions. His days were through. Thomas Hearns would have wacked him that night on that poor performance. Even the Duran that fought his brother Robbie Simms would have beaten Marvelous that night. Any top 5 middleweight contender would have become champion against him. Marvelous was shot.
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On the other hand, Duran was 37 years old, and wasted. He was considered washed up by the American media. He was fighting a weight class that was too large for his frame and the experts of KO Magazine predicted a 6th round knockout win for Iran Barkley in a war.

The prediction convinced me that it was going to be so. But, Duran overcame a bigger, stronger, taller, younger, and a 360 degree almost knockout in round 6 that until this day I can't believe he survived that.

Duran went TOE TO TOE with a legitimate middleweight puncher for 12 dramatic rounds. And won the fight.

That told the world that Duran is without a doubt a top 5 greatest pound per pound all-time great boxer. No doubt about that in my mind. I don't give a two cents who thinks differently. Just look at his extraordinary career.
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elmersalsa wrote: 24 Nov 2022, 20:03
keithmoonhangover wrote: 24 Nov 2022, 05:13
elmersalsa wrote: 23 Nov 2022, 17:14

Not as great as Duran vs Barkley. Marvelous was past his very best. Anybody could have beaten him that night.
Now your being silly. Leonard had boxed once in five years, had never fought at the weight and Hagler was so 'very past his best', he beat Hearns two fights previously.

"Anyone could have beaten him that night". :lol:

In one hand you've got Iran Barkley and in the other you've got Marvin Hagler. :maybe:
Marvelous was missing shots like crazy against a supposed rusted Leonard.

Marvelous was just fighting for the millions. His days were through. Thomas Hearns would have wacked him that night on that poor performance. Even the Duran that fought his brother Robbie Simms would have beaten Marvelous that night. Any top 5 middleweight contender would have become champion against him. Marvelous was shot.
What a croc.
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Ambling Alp II wrote: 01 Dec 2022, 20:52
elmersalsa wrote: 24 Nov 2022, 20:03
keithmoonhangover wrote: 24 Nov 2022, 05:13

Now your being silly. Leonard had boxed once in five years, had never fought at the weight and Hagler was so 'very past his best', he beat Hearns two fights previously.

"Anyone could have beaten him that night". :lol:

In one hand you've got Iran Barkley and in the other you've got Marvin Hagler. :maybe:
Marvelous was missing shots like crazy against a supposed rusted Leonard.

Marvelous was just fighting for the millions. His days were through. Thomas Hearns would have wacked him that night on that poor performance. Even the Duran that fought his brother Robbie Simms would have beaten Marvelous that night. Any top 5 middleweight contender would have become champion against him. Marvelous was shot.
What a croc.
Just like you, bitch!
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elmersalsa wrote: 24 Nov 2022, 20:12 On the other hand, Duran was 37 years old, and wasted. He was considered washed up by the American media. He was fighting a weight class that was too large for his frame and the experts of KO Magazine predicted a 6th round knockout win for Iran Barkley in a war.

The prediction convinced me that it was going to be so. But, Duran overcame a bigger, stronger, taller, younger, and a 360 degree almost knockout in round 6 that until this day I can't believe he survived that.

Duran went TOE TO TOE with a legitimate middleweight puncher for 12 dramatic rounds. And won the fight.

That told the world that Duran is without a doubt a top 5 greatest pound per pound all-time great boxer. No doubt about that in my mind. I don't give a two cents who thinks differently. Just look at his extraordinary career.
Can I ask you a genuine question...... Do you know that you're biased towards Duran?
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keithmoonhangover wrote: 02 Dec 2022, 05:42
elmersalsa wrote: 24 Nov 2022, 20:12 On the other hand, Duran was 37 years old, and wasted. He was considered washed up by the American media. He was fighting a weight class that was too large for his frame and the experts of KO Magazine predicted a 6th round knockout win for Iran Barkley in a war.

The prediction convinced me that it was going to be so. But, Duran overcame a bigger, stronger, taller, younger, and a 360 degree almost knockout in round 6 that until this day I can't believe he survived that.

Duran went TOE TO TOE with a legitimate middleweight puncher for 12 dramatic rounds. And won the fight.

That told the world that Duran is without a doubt a top 5 greatest pound per pound all-time great boxer. No doubt about that in my mind. I don't give a two cents who thinks differently. Just look at his extraordinary career.
Can I ask you a genuine question...... Do you know that you're biased towards Duran?
Roberto Duran is my favorite fighter, but I don't think that I am so biased.

I recognize that Duran above the Welterweight limit had problems with himself moving and slick boxers that were movers.

Guys that beat him were above his weight range, plus he was in his 30s, an age that lots of boxers retire. But, still, the guy won 2 more titles above his weight range. Something that he shouldn't. He was a Lightweight fighting middleweights. That's like Sugar Ray Leonard fighting at 168lbs and above and fighting guys like Matthew Saad Muhammad, Michael Spinks, Dwight Muhammad Qawi, Yaqui Lopez, Marvin Johnson, Victor Galindez, John Conteh and Bob Foster. Would Leonard or Thomas Hearns beat that type of opposition? I think not.

Comparing Leonard's wins against Duran's wasn't a true measurement. Leonard beat Wilfred Benitez and Hearns at 147lbs, not above that. Duran fought them above 147.

I don't care what anybody thinks about me or that I am biased towards my favorite fighters. I called it like I see it. To me, Duran's win over Iran Barkley was much more INCREDIBLE than what Leonard's win over Marvelous. Marvelous was on the way out. If Leonard thought that he could beat Marvelous, why he didn't challenged him in 1982? In Marvelous' prime. Why he had to wait 5 years for that? Duran was the first one to challenge Marvelous. The first one. But, many people don't give him credit for that.

When did Leonard, being washed up, beat a fighter bigger, stronger, taller, younger and in his prime? Tell me when?

That he had 1 fight in 5 years to challenge Marvelous was bogus to me. Now, thinking about it, it was one of the most overrated wins of his career. Marvelous was just fighting for the millions that he greatly deserved. He knew that he was about to retire. That's why he took the fight and every stipulation (bigger ring, thumbless gloves, 12 rounds) to get those millions. Anybody would.

To me, Duran is the greatest boxer pound per pound since 1965. And I will go to the grave with that.
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I don't know about one from each decade, but if I could attend one and one only it'd be either the 1st Zale/Graziano fight or one of the Greb/Tunney fights.
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Plus, I believe that the top 5 contenders of the middleweight division, including Thomas Hearns and Roberto Duran (the one that beat Iran Barkley) would have beaten Marvelous.

Marvelous was ready to be taken. And it showed.
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keithmoonhangover wrote: 02 Dec 2022, 05:42
elmersalsa wrote: 24 Nov 2022, 20:12 On the other hand, Duran was 37 years old, and wasted. He was considered washed up by the American media. He was fighting a weight class that was too large for his frame and the experts of KO Magazine predicted a 6th round knockout win for Iran Barkley in a war.

The prediction convinced me that it was going to be so. But, Duran overcame a bigger, stronger, taller, younger, and a 360 degree almost knockout in round 6 that until this day I can't believe he survived that.

Duran went TOE TO TOE with a legitimate middleweight puncher for 12 dramatic rounds. And won the fight.

That told the world that Duran is without a doubt a top 5 greatest pound per pound all-time great boxer. No doubt about that in my mind. I don't give a two cents who thinks differently. Just look at his extraordinary career.
Can I ask you a genuine question...... Do you know that you're biased towards Duran?
He is a biased against Leonard as he is for Duran. Obviously by pretending that the win over Hagler was no big deal he is trying to undercut Leonard.

Fort elmer if you win a title, any title it's a big deal. Except for Leonard who elmer had repeatedly said never did anything above 147.
He once said that Leonard was not a real fighter. Seriously. All that you need to know.
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Ambling Alp II wrote: 02 Dec 2022, 14:52
keithmoonhangover wrote: 02 Dec 2022, 05:42
elmersalsa wrote: 24 Nov 2022, 20:12 On the other hand, Duran was 37 years old, and wasted. He was considered washed up by the American media. He was fighting a weight class that was too large for his frame and the experts of KO Magazine predicted a 6th round knockout win for Iran Barkley in a war.

The prediction convinced me that it was going to be so. But, Duran overcame a bigger, stronger, taller, younger, and a 360 degree almost knockout in round 6 that until this day I can't believe he survived that.

Duran went TOE TO TOE with a legitimate middleweight puncher for 12 dramatic rounds. And won the fight.

That told the world that Duran is without a doubt a top 5 greatest pound per pound all-time great boxer. No doubt about that in my mind. I don't give a two cents who thinks differently. Just look at his extraordinary career.
Can I ask you a genuine question...... Do you know that you're biased towards Duran?
He is a biased against Leonard as he is for Duran. Obviously by pretending that the win over Hagler was no big deal he is trying to undercut Leonard.

Fort elmer if you win a title, any title it's a big deal. Except for Leonard who elmer had repeatedly said never did anything above 147.
He once said that Leonard was not a real fighter. Seriously. All that you need to know.
Sugar Ray Leonard is one of my favorite fighters, believe it or not. I don't care if you don't believe me saying that.

But, to compare him to my favorite of them all, Roberto Duran, I rate Duran higher because of the body of work, longer career and more durability career wise.

The Marvelous win was epic. A great win. But, it's put on in a bigger proportion or scale considering that Marvelous was through as a fighter. He just wanted those $13 million and leave the game regardless. That's what every fighter fights for. For the biggest payday. The big money that they deserve they should get.

But, Duran's win over Iran Barkley is more amazing. Here's a washed up 37 years old, out of his prime, fighting in his 4th weight class against a taller, bigger, stronger and younger foe. When has Leonard done something like that? Duran has done it 3 times!
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elmersalsa wrote: 02 Dec 2022, 17:06 The Marvelous win was epic. A great win.

elmersalsa wrote: 02 Dec 2022, 17:06 Marvelous was past his very best. Anybody could have beaten him that night.
Care to make your mind up........
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keithmoonhangover wrote: 03 Dec 2022, 05:56
elmersalsa wrote: 02 Dec 2022, 17:06 The Marvelous win was epic. A great win.

elmersalsa wrote: 02 Dec 2022, 17:06 Marvelous was past his very best. Anybody could have beaten him that night.
Care to make your mind up........
Regardless, it was a great win. But we gotta put it all into proper perspective. That Leonard had 1 fight in 5 years and beat Marvelous was a great win, but you and alp put it way bigger than what it was. You forgot the consideration that Marvelous was on decline since the war with Tommy Hearns. If you don't think that that fight in particular didn't took something out of Marvelous then THAT'S BIASED. Marvelous only fought 2 times since 1984. The Hearns and John Mugabi fights were BRUTAL. If you don't think that those 2 fights took something out of Marvelous then I don't have to have an argument with you about boxing. Marvelous took shots against two of the top 100 greatest punchers of all-time pound per pound according to The Ring Magazine. Any top 5 of the middleweight contenders would have beaten Marvelous that night. Marvelous fought without any fire and spirit. He looked totally flat. He was on the decline, big time.

But, the Duran win over Barkley, to me, was much more INCREDIBLE AND IMPRESSIVE. It was much more impressive than Leonard's over Marvelous. A washed up 37 years old fighting in a weight class that is not his, beat a younger, faster, stronger, taller, bigger and in his complete prime in Barkley. How did Duran won that fight TOE TO TOE? He shouldn't. But he won it. That fight convinced me that he got to be in the top 5 greatest boxers pound per pound all-time. He got to be. Any top 5 list that Muhammad Ali and Duran are not on, that list is not good to me.
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elmersalsa wrote: 03 Dec 2022, 12:35 Marvelous was past his very best. Anybody could have beaten him that night.
elmersalsa wrote: 03 Dec 2022, 12:35 Any top 5 of the middleweight contenders would have beaten Marvelous that night.

Again, care to make your mind up........
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keithmoonhangover wrote: 03 Dec 2022, 13:32
elmersalsa wrote: 03 Dec 2022, 12:35 Marvelous was past his very best. Anybody could have beaten him that night.
elmersalsa wrote: 03 Dec 2022, 12:35 Any top 5 of the middleweight contenders would have beaten Marvelous that night.

Again, care to make your mind up........
If you don't understand that Marvelous was shot and through, then I can't explain it much better.
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elmersalsa wrote: 03 Dec 2022, 13:35
keithmoonhangover wrote: 03 Dec 2022, 13:32
elmersalsa wrote: 03 Dec 2022, 12:35 Marvelous was past his very best. Anybody could have beaten him that night.
elmersalsa wrote: 03 Dec 2022, 12:35 Any top 5 of the middleweight contenders would have beaten Marvelous that night.

Again, care to make your mind up........
If you don't understand that Marvelous was shot and through, then I can't explain it much better.
I didn't make a single comment about Hagler's condition after Hearns and/or Mugabi.

Could you just clarify...... Could anyone in the top 5 beat Hagler or just anyone in general? It's OK to admit that you messed up, we all do it, it's a perfectly normal thing to happen.
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keithmoonhangover wrote: 03 Dec 2022, 13:38
elmersalsa wrote: 03 Dec 2022, 13:35
keithmoonhangover wrote: 03 Dec 2022, 13:32





Again, care to make your mind up........
If you don't understand that Marvelous was shot and through, then I can't explain it much better.
I didn't make a single comment about Hagler's condition after Hearns and/or Mugabi.

Could you just clarify...... Could anyone in the top 5 beat Hagler or just anyone in general? It's OK to admit that you messed up, we all do it, it's a perfectly normal thing to happen.
Well, of the top 5 contenders, Michael Nunn would have beaten Marvelous and Sugar Ray that night.

Thomas Hearns would have beaten Marvelous the way Marvelous came to fight. Tommy would have had his revenge.

Nigel Benn, Herol Graham, Sumbu Kalambay and probably the great Mike McCallum would have beaten Marvelous. Marvelous was no where of what he was in the early 80s decade. He missed so many shots against Sugar Ray. Shots that in the early 80s, he would not miss. But, he had to fight. That's what fighters fight for. For the big paydays. And Marvelous wasn't gonna let that opportunity slip away again like in 1982
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elmersalsa wrote: 04 Dec 2022, 17:31
keithmoonhangover wrote: 03 Dec 2022, 13:38
elmersalsa wrote: 03 Dec 2022, 13:35
If you don't understand that Marvelous was shot and through, then I can't explain it much better.
I didn't make a single comment about Hagler's condition after Hearns and/or Mugabi.

Could you just clarify...... Could anyone in the top 5 beat Hagler or just anyone in general? It's OK to admit that you messed up, we all do it, it's a perfectly normal thing to happen.
Well, of the top 5 contenders, Michael Nunn would have beaten Marvelous and Sugar Ray that night.

Thomas Hearns would have beaten Marvelous the way Marvelous came to fight. Tommy would have had his revenge.

Nigel Benn, Herol Graham, Sumbu Kalambay and probably the great Mike McCallum would have beaten Marvelous. Marvelous was no where of what he was in the early 80s decade. He missed so many shots against Sugar Ray. Shots that in the early 80s, he would not miss. But, he had to fight. That's what fighters fight for. For the big paydays. And Marvelous wasn't gonna let that opportunity slip away again like in 1982
So SRL's quickness and ring IQ had nothing to do with Hagler missing shot? LOL!
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Not all. Anyone could have beaten Hagler, who was shot.
This includes Leonard who was not a real fighter.

And you have t0 remember that Leonard-Halger wasn't near the fight that Barkley-Duran was. Imagine the two winners fought after the Duran-Barkley chess match. Duran would have beaten Leonard easily. Too bad that fight never happened, then we would know for sure.

And Hagler vs Barkley? Hagler would never have laid a glove on the elusive Barkley.
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Ambling Alp II wrote: 04 Dec 2022, 18:46 Not all. Anyone could have beaten Hagler, who was shot.
This includes Leonard who was not a real fighter.

And you have t0 remember that Leonard-Halger wasn't near the fight that Barkley-Duran was. Imagine the two winners fought after the Duran-Barkley chess match. Duran would have beaten Leonard easily. Too bad that fight never happened, then we would know for sure.

And Hagler vs Barkley? Hagler would never have laid a glove on the elusive Barkley.
:lol:
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oogiebe wrote: 04 Dec 2022, 18:24
elmersalsa wrote: 04 Dec 2022, 17:31
keithmoonhangover wrote: 03 Dec 2022, 13:38

I didn't make a single comment about Hagler's condition after Hearns and/or Mugabi.

Could you just clarify...... Could anyone in the top 5 beat Hagler or just anyone in general? It's OK to admit that you messed up, we all do it, it's a perfectly normal thing to happen.
Well, of the top 5 contenders, Michael Nunn would have beaten Marvelous and Sugar Ray that night.

Thomas Hearns would have beaten Marvelous the way Marvelous came to fight. Tommy would have had his revenge.

Nigel Benn, Herol Graham, Sumbu Kalambay and probably the great Mike McCallum would have beaten Marvelous. Marvelous was no where of what he was in the early 80s decade. He missed so many shots against Sugar Ray. Shots that in the early 80s, he would not miss. But, he had to fight. That's what fighters fight for. For the big paydays. And Marvelous wasn't gonna let that opportunity slip away again like in 1982
So SRL's quickness and ring IQ had nothing to do with Hagler missing shot? LOL!
Marvelous is very accurate. He didn't miss like that in his prime, what you're talking about?
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Ambling Alp II wrote: 04 Dec 2022, 18:46 Not all. Anyone could have beaten Hagler, who was shot.
This includes Leonard who was not a real fighter.

And you have t0 remember that Leonard-Halger wasn't near the fight that Barkley-Duran was. Imagine the two winners fought after the Duran-Barkley chess match. Duran would have beaten Leonard easily. Too bad that fight never happened, then we would know for sure.

And Hagler vs Barkley? Hagler would never have laid a glove on the elusive Barkley.
Barkley would have knocked him out the way Marvelous fought that night. Of all Marvelous performances, the fight with Leonard was the worst. I mean, the worst!
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Ambling Alp II wrote: 04 Dec 2022, 18:46 Not all. Anyone could have beaten Hagler, who was shot.
This includes Leonard who was not a real fighter.

And you have t0 remember that Leonard-Halger wasn't near the fight that Barkley-Duran was. Imagine the two winners fought after the Duran-Barkley chess match. Duran would have beaten Leonard easily. Too bad that fight never happened, then we would know for sure.

And Hagler vs Barkley? Hagler would never have laid a glove on the elusive Barkley.
Barkley could've fought the Hagler that fought Leonard in 1987, and he'd still get his ass kicked.

The very worst Hagler is better than the very best Barkley.
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That's a controversial statement. You don't think Barkley would have knocked out Hagler like elmer does?
Not to mention that Barkley was so awesome defensively, how could Hagler hope to land a glove on him?

Luckily for Leonard (the guy who hadn't fought in three years) Hagler was shot. Terrible fight. No defense at all. Yet another lucky break for Leonard, who as elmer said was not a real fighter.

On the other hand, the quality of the Duran-Barkley fight is not to be argued with. Such speed. Such defense. Imagine if Duran fought Leonard later that year. Would Leonard have even won a round?
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elmersalsa wrote: 05 Dec 2022, 13:32
oogiebe wrote: 04 Dec 2022, 18:24
elmersalsa wrote: 04 Dec 2022, 17:31

Well, of the top 5 contenders, Michael Nunn would have beaten Marvelous and Sugar Ray that night.

Thomas Hearns would have beaten Marvelous the way Marvelous came to fight. Tommy would have had his revenge.

Nigel Benn, Herol Graham, Sumbu Kalambay and probably the great Mike McCallum would have beaten Marvelous. Marvelous was no where of what he was in the early 80s decade. He missed so many shots against Sugar Ray. Shots that in the early 80s, he would not miss. But, he had to fight. That's what fighters fight for. For the big paydays. And Marvelous wasn't gonna let that opportunity slip away again like in 1982
So SRL's quickness and ring IQ had nothing to do with Hagler missing shot? LOL!
Marvelous is very accurate. He didn't miss like that in his prime, what you're talking about?
What part didn't you understand? :maybe:
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1900's - Joe Jennette - Sam McVey (49 round war)
1910's - Jack Johnson - James J Jeffries
1920's -???
1930's - Joe Louis - Max Schmeling 2
1940's - Rocky Graziano - Tony Zale 1 or 2
1950's - Sugar Ray Robinson - Gene Fullmer 2
1960's - Muhammad Ali - Cleveland Williams
1970's - Muhammad Ali - Joe Frazier 1
1980's - Sugar Ray Leonard - Tommy Hearns 1
1990's - Pernell Whitaker - Buddy McGirt 1
2000's - Diego Corrales - Jose Luis Castillo 1
2010's - Deontay Wilder - Luis Ortiz 1
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