Beating a jabber.

Mr.DW
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Re: Beating a jabber.

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The moment you stop moving your feet and head then you're toast. The jab is used to set up attack. If he can land his jab at will then you are going to be in for a beating.
dberry
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Re: Beating a jabber.

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First thing's first, got to make the jabber miss, slipping the jab or catching it and sending a stiff jab or reverse jab back, or even the catching rear hand, hard to develop power off catching the jab then sending that hand back but it is frustrating, not to mention trick. The biggest thing is to make them pay for every jab, slip inside and roll the over hand rear outside ala Grimsly-Thunder. The best bet is to slip, get inside, then work the body the coming up to the head, opening up possibilities with ones own head.
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Re: Beating a jabber.

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I've always found that being left handed works wonders against a jabber.
Kalan
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Re: Beating a jabber.

Post by Kalan »

Being left handed only works if you have a better jab... Southpaws are used to jabbing right handers so they have an experience advantage... But you can get up on them if you improve your jab until it's one of the best, and box a lot of southpaws...
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Re: Beating a jabber.

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Kalan wrote:Being left handed only works if you have a better jab... Southpaws are used to jabbing right handers so they have an experience advantage... But you can get up on them if you improve your jab until it's one of the best, and box a lot of southpaws...
Wrong. It's the easiest punch for southpaws to stop.
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Re: Beating a jabber.

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You're dead wrong... Southpaws get beaten regularly... They don't necessarily stop jabs better than a skilled right hander.
Yuzo
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Re: Beating a jabber.

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try to add head movement to your step and drag.

step forward with your front foot, and, in the same motion, move your upper body over your front leg in a downward forward motion. your chest is going to come just over your front knee. dont over bend your front knee. now drag up your back foot.

Image

heres some counters.

move your upper body over your front leg in a downward forward motion, and, in the same motion, slip a jab through the space next to your right ear and over your right shoulder. your body weight is going to transfer over your front leg. now with your body weight concentrated over your front leg, throw your hook, and, as your hips are rotating, transfer your body weight from your front leg to your back leg.

Image

slip a jab through the space next to your right ear and over your right shoulder, and, in the same motion, throw your right hand.

Image
oogiebe
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Re: Beating a jabber.

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Great post...great points...great visuals! I'm going to try this out on my 11 y/o son...less risk. jk :-)
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Re: Beating a jabber.

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Timing ... (period) ...

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rodney
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Re: Beating a jabber.

Post by rodney »

You beat a good jabber by throwing multiple jabs to get inside the punch zone. You have to throw punches to win. By using multiple jabs, you are neutralizing his jab.
Caractacus
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Re: Beating a jabber.

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Get inside and Pound the body umercaifly until the 'jabber" drops to their knees..
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Re: Beating a jabber.

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hit him high on the rib cage whilst he is jabbing.
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Re: Beating a jabber.

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hit him on the extended arm. Time him for an overhand right. Learn to slip.
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Re: Beating a jabber.

Post by Tony1244 »

Move to the left and lean your head to the right.

Counter the jab with a jab. Worked well for Norton against Ali.

Counter straight right hand. Worked fairly well for Shavers against Ali.
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Re: Beating a jabber.

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here is what Archie Moore told Mike Fitzgerald in the book THE OLD MONGOOSE.

"A lot of boxers don't understand that a decent shot to the arm can make an opponent back off for a round or two.
One of the best punches I ever threw, I hit a guy on the elbow.
He had a pulverizing left jab and it was causing me great difficulty.
I landed a right hook which landed flush on the elbow.
His jab became less effective and then I went to work".
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Re: Beating a jabber.

Post by Caractacus »

Archie Moore didn't mention the name of the particular fighter, but I'm guessing it was probably
Alejandro Lavorante
whom he said just after their 1962 fight
"He has a harder left jab then Sonny Liston "
"Nobody has ever hit me with a jab like this guy"
"He knocked my bridgework out in the ninth round"
(photo at 5:25 of this clip)
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Re: Beating a jabber.

Post by Caractacus »

I'm guessing that Moore landed the right hook flush
as the jab was just hanging out there, and it bent the opponents arm backwards (?)
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Re: Beating a jabber.

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Caractacus wrote: 07 Sep 2021, 15:27 I'm guessing that Moore landed the right hook flush
as the jab was just hanging out there, and it bent the opponents arm backwards (?)
Yeah that fornicating hurts. Have had that a couple if time in sparring and its not nice nor is it that easy to work through.
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Re: Beating a jabber.

Post by coneye »

Lots and lots and lots of ways to beating a jab , you can time it with a right cross , you can slip inside with a short hook , you can sway back and counter the list is endless ,, BUT NON of them will work if you do not know the most important thing of all YOUR DISTANCE ,, i have been through this a million times with beginers where i will invite a taller kid to jab me , let him land a couple then tell him your not going to land any i will touch you on the head the net 3 times ,, , i'll purposly pickout the taller lads so they think they have the advantage ,, then i'll explain to them its all about knowing your distance , i'll show them how i've invited the jab knowing i'm probably 2 inches too far for him , but yet a 2 inch movement of my foot can give me 6 inches longer jab .

Learn your distance then its all easier .
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Re: Beating a jabber.

Post by Coco »

The jab is the best punch, but only if you land it!

Best thing to do is out jab the jabber, obv easier said than done!

As well make his jab fall short and hit him with counters making him uneasy to throw the jab with conviction

And you could keep the fight on the inside
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Re: Beating a jabber.

Post by 1057147 »

o take away his jab, use the straight right to the heart. As he jabs, you throw your right hand, it is a natural counter. It is a good punch
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Re: Beating a jabber.

Post by oogiebe »

Coco wrote: 11 Aug 2022, 10:46 The jab is the best punch, but only if you land it!

Best thing to do is out jab the jabber, obv easier said than done!

As well make his jab fall short and hit him with counters making him uneasy to throw the jab with conviction

And you could keep the fight on the inside
That's what Norton did to Ali. His jab gave Ali fits.
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Re: Beating a jabber.

Post by margaret thatcher »

the jab can also be a great deceiver, seen plenty of cases of a guy bouncing around, flicking out jabs that dont even make contact, and yet somehow a lot of dudes fall for that as the guy outboxing his opponent
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Re: Beating a jabber.

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margaret thatcher wrote: 16 Aug 2022, 21:42 the jab can also be a great deceiver, seen plenty of cases of a guy bouncing around, flicking out jabs that dont even make contact, and yet somehow a lot of dudes fall for that as the guy outboxing his opponent
On the subject of a jab being a great deceiver, I used to spar a lot of guys who were bigger than me and I used to use my jab to give them a false range. By throwing out a lot of short jabs I could be in range without the other guy realising.

Another thing that could potentially work really well is that long hopping jab Hagler used to use. You're totally out of the jabbers range until you decide to throw your own jab that quickly closes the distance.

There is a lot of ways to beat a jabber but any fighter needs to find a way that works with their own attributes. Both Ali and Frazier were excellent at taking away jabs. Ali did it by circling the 'wrong' way into someones power hand, Frazier did it with head movement, pressure and a left hook. Neither would have been effective adopting the others approach.
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Re: Beating a jabber.

Post by gilgamesh »

Yuzo wrote: 02 Apr 2018, 22:02 try to add head movement to your step and drag.

step forward with your front foot, and, in the same motion, move your upper body over your front leg in a downward forward motion. your chest is going to come just over your front knee. dont over bend your front knee. now drag up your back foot.

Image

heres some counters.

move your upper body over your front leg in a downward forward motion, and, in the same motion, slip a jab through the space next to your right ear and over your right shoulder. your body weight is going to transfer over your front leg. now with your body weight concentrated over your front leg, throw your hook, and, as your hips are rotating, transfer your body weight from your front leg to your back leg.

Image

slip a jab through the space next to your right ear and over your right shoulder, and, in the same motion, throw your right hand.

Image
Anytime I look at these threads Yuzo's posts with his advice and visual aids are absolutely flawless. The only way to learn it any better than that is to get in the ring and put it into practice.

Yuzo. If you ain't a Boxing Trainer. You oughta be. You explain things, and break down technical aspects as well as anyone I've ever seen post here.

I can only assume you must even edit these gifs to the exact example you're pointing toward too. So you're a Technical wiz in more ways than one.

Incredible stuff though man. Your posts are honestly works of art on the subjects they apply to, and if there were a way for Gyms to post this stuff up on a Wall, they'd do it.
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