Boxers Who Only Lost To Good/Great Boxers

[keithmoonhangover]

I'm looking for boxers who all their losses came against good/great boxers.

Ali: Frazier, Norton, Spinks, Holmes, Berbick
Leonard: Duran, Norris, Camacho.

[gilgamesh]

Frazier only lost to Ali and Foreman

Joe Louis only lost to Max Schmeling, Rocky Marciano and Ezzard Charles.

[gilgamesh]

Ya know there really ain't many that immediately spring to mind are there?

[margaret thatcher]

kell brook

[gilgamesh]

De La Hoya never lost to anyone who wasn't a top name did he?

Pac, Mayweather, Hopkins, Mosley (2x), Trinidad....who am I forgetting?

[Ezzard]

Hearns
Frank Bruno
Lennox
Fenech
Mike Spinks
Breland

[goose 5]

Foreman and Duran and Tunney.

[DrDuke]

I'm looking for boxers who all their losses came against good/great boxers.

Ali: Frazier, Norton, Spinks, Holmes, Berbick
Leonard: Duran, Norris, Camacho.

Leon was a mediocre one.

[p4p1]

Because I am bored at work I am using boxrec to help me confirm my suspicions.
Hatton only lost to Mayweather and Pacquiao.
Corbett's losses were against Jeffries, Fitzsimmons and Sharkey.
Pattersons 8 losses are to Maxim, Johanssen, Liston, Ali, Quarry, Ellis. All pretty bloody good fighters.
I thought I would check out Archie Moore's losses, based purely on his opponents records on paper he only lost to 2-3 guys who could not be considered good-great out of his 23 losses.
MAB's losses are to Jones, Morales, Marquez, Pacquiao, and Khan.
Depending on how you rate Leija and Hernandez, Azumah Nelson could be another one.
Lou Ambers looks to have only lost to guys who had over 50+ wins or were legitimate world champions.
Winky Wright only lost to world champions.

[p4p1]

I'm looking for boxers who all their losses came against good/great boxers.

Ali: Frazier, Norton, Spinks, Holmes, Berbick
Leonard: Duran, Norris, Camacho.

Leon was a mediocre one.

I don't think that is completely accurate. Outside of Coetzee Spinks only lost to world champions until after his 33rd birthday. I'm not saying he was an ATG, he wasn't but he was certainly better than mediocre.

[margaret thatcher]

this depends how strict you are in what it takes to qualify as a good fighter.............does it have to be someone who is at least a boarderline hall of famer? does an alphabet champ or decent top 10 fighter count? euro champ but no higher?

[margaret thatcher]

Because I am bored at work I am using boxrec to help me confirm my suspicions.
Hatton only lost to Mayweather and Pacquiao.
Corbett's losses were against Jeffries, Fitzsimmons and Sharkey.
Pattersons 8 losses are to Maxim, Johanssen, Liston, Ali, Quarry, Ellis. All pretty bloody good fighters.
I thought I would check out Archie Moore's losses, based purely on his opponents records on paper he only lost to 2-3 guys who could not be considered good-great out of his 23 losses.
MAB's losses are to Jones, Morales, Marquez, Pacquiao, and Khan.
Depending on how you rate Leija and Hernandez, Azumah Nelson could be another one.
Lou Ambers looks to have only lost to guys who had over 50+ wins or were legitimate world champions.
Winky Wright only lost to world champions.

hatton lost to senchenko too

[DrDuke]

I'm looking for boxers who all their losses came against good/great boxers.

Ali: Frazier, Norton, Spinks, Holmes, Berbick
Leonard: Duran, Norris, Camacho.

Leon was a mediocre one.

I don't think that is completely accurate. Outside of Coetzee Spinks only lost to world champions until after his 33rd birthday. I'm not saying he was an ATG, he wasn't but he was certainly better than mediocre.

His best wins are the stiffs like Evangelista and Mercado. Apart of the cherry-picking-gone-wrong win over the faded Ali, he holds no wins over the top opposition.

[keithmoonhangover]

Leon was a mediocre one.

I don't think that is completely accurate. Outside of Coetzee Spinks only lost to world champions until after his 33rd birthday. I'm not saying he was an ATG, he wasn't but he was certainly better than mediocre.

His best wins are the stiffs like Evangelista and Mercado. Apart of the cherry-picking-gone-wrong win over the faded Ali, he holds no wins over the top opposition.

As an amateur, Leon was 178–7 with 133 knockouts. When he fought Ali, he was an unbeaten Olympic champion. It doesn't matter what he did after, we're only talking about Ali's loss.

[keithmoonhangover]

this depends how strict you are in what it takes to qualify as a good fighter.............does it have to be someone who is at least a boarderline hall of famer? does an alphabet champ or decent top 10 fighter count? euro champ but no higher?

Just be a strict as you want to be.

[DrDuke]

I don't think that is completely accurate. Outside of Coetzee Spinks only lost to world champions until after his 33rd birthday. I'm not saying he was an ATG, he wasn't but he was certainly better than mediocre.

His best wins are the stiffs like Evangelista and Mercado. Apart of the cherry-picking-gone-wrong win over the faded Ali, he holds no wins over the top opposition.

As an amateur, Leon was 178–7 with 133 knockouts. When he fought Ali, he was an unbeaten Olympic champion. It doesn't matter what he did after, we're only talking about Ali's loss.

Lol what? He's ok because he was fighting only sh1thouses before?

And his Olympic achievements mean nothing. There're plenty accomplished amateurs, who failed in pros. Rademacher, Biggs, Spinks, so many of them.

The alidiots are really funny guys. We're getting more gems every day with them. Now the guy is ok, if he beat some sh1thouses before getting exposed.

[keithmoonhangover]

His best wins are the stiffs like Evangelista and Mercado. Apart of the cherry-picking-gone-wrong win over the faded Ali, he holds no wins over the top opposition.

As an amateur, Leon was 178–7 with 133 knockouts. When he fought Ali, he was an unbeaten Olympic champion. It doesn't matter what he did after, we're only talking about Ali's loss.

Lol what? He's ok because he was fighting only sh1thouses before?

And his Olympic achievements mean nothing. There're plenty accomplished amateurs, who failed in pros. Rademacher, Biggs, Spinks, so many of them.

The alidiots are really funny guys. We're getting more gems every day with them. Now the guy is ok, if he beat some sh1thouses before getting exposed.

No, he beat the reigning heavyweight champion of the world, who even at that stage wasn't a 'sh1thouse'. If you want to ignore his greatest achievement (which you have) then that's your business. And just because I disagree with you, it doesn't make me an Ali fan, or an 'alidiot'.

Your comments are so petty and it feels like you can't wait to slam someone and accuse them of being a 'fanboy'. That's just my take on you as a poster.

[keithmoonhangover]

Felix Trinidad lost to Hopkins, RJJ and the criminally underrated Winky Wright.

[p4p1]

this depends how strict you are in what it takes to qualify as a good fighter.............does it have to be someone who is at least a boarderline hall of famer? does an alphabet champ or decent top 10 fighter count? euro champ but no higher?

I tried to also take the time into account as well. I’m sure some of the guys that had 80-30 kind of records in the 20s-60s may have been better than guys that have won titles now that we have 4 major sanctioning bodies and match making is much more careful. I’ve seen some guys who’s records don’t look stellar on paper but their losses came from HOFers, past or future champions when there was only 8 of them etc.

[DrDuke]

As an amateur, Leon was 178–7 with 133 knockouts. When he fought Ali, he was an unbeaten Olympic champion. It doesn't matter what he did after, we're only talking about Ali's loss.

Lol what? He's ok because he was fighting only sh1thouses before?

And his Olympic achievements mean nothing. There're plenty accomplished amateurs, who failed in pros. Rademacher, Biggs, Spinks, so many of them.

The alidiots are really funny guys. We're getting more gems every day with them. Now the guy is ok, if he beat some sh1thouses before getting exposed.

No, he beat the reigning heavyweight champion of the world, who even at that stage wasn't a 'sh1thouse'. If you want to ignore his greatest achievement (which you have) then that's your business. And just because I disagree with you, it doesn't make me an Ali fan, or an 'alidiot'.

Your comments are so petty and it feels like you can't wait to slam someone and accuse them of being a 'fanboy'. That's just my take on you as a poster.

Nothing wrong with the disareement, it's wrong with annoying biased posters paraziting on the boxing forums. Production costs probably, but still stink.

[margaret thatcher]

it's a bit circular to count someone as a good loss because the guy in question lost to them . it basically removes the possibility that the guy wasnt actually good and that the other fighter was poor that night. but very good fighters (esp near the end of their careers) can lose to guys much worse

considering that, it helps to look at what else they did in their career, and it's not too bright for leon

he'd already drawn with ledoux and was ko'd in 1 by coetzee shortly after, then basically became a journeyman living off the ali win, barely managing a 50-50 record and often getting totally trashed. obviously he wasnt a mug and might fit some definitions of being a good pro, but he's boarderline tbh and i can see the argument that he shouldnt count

[DrDuke]

it's a bit circular to count someone as a good fighter because they beat the guy in question , at least for this question. basically you are saying ali losing should give him more credit for winning. it basically removes the possibility that the guy wasnt actually good and that the other fighter was poor that night in losing to them. but very good fighters (esp near the end of their careers) can lose to guys much worse

leon had already drawn with ledoux and was ko'd in 1 by coetzee shortly after, then basically became a journeyman living off the ali win, barely managing a 50-50 record. obviously he wasnt a mug and might fit some definitions of being a good pro, but he's boarderline tbh

This is true. Only the alidiots can make a big deal out of that, in order to give another hail to their lord. In this particular case, it will be easier for them to say, that the object of their sexual attraction was shot so much that he lost to Spinx and etc, but no, the most special ones gotta try to advocate f8ckin' Leon Spinx.

[Jaywheel]

Vargas lost to Trinidad, De la Hoya, Mosley x2 and Mayorga.
Not sure Lennox really qualifies with the losses to Rahman and McCall.

[keithmoonhangover]

it's a bit circular to count someone as a good loss because the guy in question lost to them . it basically removes the possibility that the guy wasnt actually good and that the other fighter was poor that night. but very good fighters (esp near the end of their careers) can lose to guys much worse

considering that, it helps to look at what else they did in their career, and it's not too bright for leon

he'd already drawn with ledoux and was ko'd in 1 by coetzee shortly after, then basically became a journeyman living off the ali win, barely managing a 50-50 record and often getting totally trashed. obviously he wasnt a mug and might fit some definitions of being a good pro, but he's boarderline tbh and i can see the argument that he shouldnt count

Just my opinion, I think the Leon that fought Ali falls into the good category, not the great. Despite the Coetzee fight not being that long after he beat Ali, Leon wasn't the the same fighter. He spent the time before the Ali rematch destroying himself. IMO he was a much better fighter for the Ali fight than at any other time after it.

If we were talking about his historical ranking or career, then yes, the post Ali loses could be taken into account. Just my thoughts.

[hhaehre]

I don't think that is completely accurate. Outside of Coetzee Spinks only lost to world champions until after his 33rd birthday. I'm not saying he was an ATG, he wasn't but he was certainly better than mediocre.

His best wins are the stiffs like Evangelista and Mercado. Apart of the cherry-picking-gone-wrong win over the faded Ali, he holds no wins over the top opposition.

As an amateur, Leon was 178–7 with 133 knockouts. When he fought Ali, he was an unbeaten Olympic champion. It doesn't matter what he did after, we're only talking about Ali's loss.

Can he be regarded as good is the question I guess? If he hadn't beaten Ali his career would have been worse that someone like Jesse Fergusson or Terrence Lewis. I don't think that would qualify him as good in the context of this thread.