Conor Benn - What Next?

[joshj909]

Hypothetically, what happens to British boxing if the BBBofC goes bankrupt?

Obviously Matchroom, Benn etc would become universally hated but how would fights get licensed?

Does British boxing come to a stand still? Does another governing body fill the gap? Do we rely on a foreign governing body?

[keithmoonhangover]

I don't remember this level of hate for Whyte.

[polecateddy]

I don't remember this level of hate for Whyte.

They’ll be praying they can land what Whyte did, it’s probably their main line of attack now! Small quantities of what was a very serious steroid in Whyte’s sample, but because it was a very small amount the contamination argument held up. Although behind the scenes who knows what kind of legal threats were flying around and pressuring the decision making?

But Benn has the issue he has tested positive TWICE! And can UKAD really tread on the toes of their partner agency, VADA, and really suggest they’ve effectively messed up their testing not once but twice for poor old Mr Benn? And will they really want to - UKAD seem to have no issues with doling out umpteen 4 year bans to poor rugby players. Absolutely no mercy there!

BUT, I’d fully expect Benn’s team to now distance themselves from the laughable eggs argument they ended up with because the WBC chose that over contamination, and in the UK switch back to the contamination argument just because it’s worked in the past for other boxers.

[keithmoonhangover]

I don't remember this level of hate for Whyte.

They’ll be praying they can land what Whyte did. Small quantities of what was a very serious steroid in his sample, but because it was a very small amount the contamination argument held up. Although behind the scenes who knows what kind of legal threats were flying around and pressuring the decision making? But Benn has the issue he has tested positive TWICE! And can UKAD really tread on the toes of their partner agency, VADA, and really suggest they’ve effectively messed up their testing not once but twice for poor old Mr Benn? And will they really want to - UKAD seem to have no issues with doling out umpteen 4 year bans to poor rugby players. Absolutely no mercy there!

IMO, the human element needs to removed from this. The bans should be set in stone. If you test positive for a specific banned substance, you get a ban, the length of which depends on the amount in your system. Cut and dried.

Benn and Hearn aren't doing anything new. James Toney failed a test and was out again six months later. He came up with some nonsense excuse.

[polecateddy]

I don't remember this level of hate for Whyte.

They’ll be praying they can land what Whyte did. Small quantities of what was a very serious steroid in his sample, but because it was a very small amount the contamination argument held up. Although behind the scenes who knows what kind of legal threats were flying around and pressuring the decision making? But Benn has the issue he has tested positive TWICE! And can UKAD really tread on the toes of their partner agency, VADA, and really suggest they’ve effectively messed up their testing not once but twice for poor old Mr Benn? And will they really want to - UKAD seem to have no issues with doling out umpteen 4 year bans to poor rugby players. Absolutely no mercy there!

IMO, the human element needs to removed from this. The bans should be set in stone. If you test positive for a specific banned substance, you get a ban, the length of which depends on the amount in your system. Cut and dried.

Benn and Hearn aren't doing anything new. James Toney failed a test and was out again six months later. He came up with some nonsense excuse.

Toney's excuse was a blinder - his promoter Dan Goossen was quoted as saying, 'James Toney does not cheat. Combined with exercise and dehydration, the pregnenolone metabolized into nandrolone.' I'm not even going to try and look up the science on that, I just presume back in 2005 you could say just about anything! Lol

[margaret thatcher]

I don't remember this level of hate for Whyte.

ya, you keep telling us over and over and over you don't remember this amount of hate for this fighter or that fighter, we get it

when a guy fails multiple tests than goes on months long campaign threatning to sue left and right (even the sanctioning body that gave him a pass), saying we'll all have to bow down and apologize to him, you should expect plenty of hate. the fighters and situations are never the exact same, so of course reactions will differ. does this shock you?

[coneye]

Hope he does sue , hope they fight it and would love to see his face when the judge finds in the BBBC favor and awards all costs AGAINST BENN ,, should be enough to bankrupt the jumped up prick

[Frostieballs]

Maybe he should fight Jake Paul in Saudi under the WBC’s jurisdiction.

Probably be a competitive fight.

[wrighty]

He's really unlikeable. The bbbofc ruined Liam Cameron over traces of cocaine for recreational use, I think it was shane McPhilbin who got in trouble over Jack3D if I remember. No famous dad to help them, no wealthy promoter. He's coming across as a real bastard.

[olij999]

Hope he does sue , hope they fight it and would love to see his face when the judge finds in the BBBC favor and awards all costs AGAINST BENN ,, should be enough to bankrupt the jumped up prick

But that is the risk with litigation - the winner would normally only be awarded their reasonable costs, which are usually substantially lower than commercial rates (i.e. what the winner has actually paid to their solicitors and barrister). So if litigation happened and the BBBofC won, they would still suffer a significant cost financially. That's the unfairness of litigation - it favours those with deeper pockets.

[veriton]

Just when you thought Benn couldn't sink any lower. Whatever happened to putting your hands up, taking the hit and then moving on?

The WBC gave him a free pass, but that's seemingly not enough. Poor form that.

[keithmoonhangover]

I don't remember this level of hate for Whyte.

ya, you keep telling us over and over and over you don't remember this amount of hate for this fighter or that fighter, we get it

Well pardon me for posting.

[dookus]

I don't remember this level of hate for Whyte.

ya, you keep telling us over and over and over you don't remember this amount of hate for this fighter or that fighter, we get it

Well pardon me for posting.

Don't worry, mags'll be posting a brand new thread shortly to deal with the issue of posters repeating themselves

[margaret thatcher]

I don't remember this level of hate for Whyte.

ya, you keep telling us over and over and over you don't remember this amount of hate for this fighter or that fighter, we get it

Well pardon me for posting.

post away my man

[margaret thatcher]

ya, you keep telling us over and over and over you don't remember this amount of hate for this fighter or that fighter, we get it

Well pardon me for posting.

Don't worry, mags'll be posting a brand new thread shortly to deal with the issue of posters repeating themselves

don't give me ideas now

[polecateddy]

On places like Facebook the last line of defence for Benn’s meagre number of fans/friends appears to be that he passed UKAD’s tests so they should leave him alone. But the reality appears to be UKAD is cooperating with VADA and doing a full investigation. The strict liability thing will bite him I’d expect.

[keithmoonhangover]

ya, you keep telling us over and over and over you don't remember this amount of hate for this fighter or that fighter, we get it

Well pardon me for posting.

post away my man

Thanks. Anyway, about that Dillian Whyte guy.....

[coneye]

Hope he does sue , hope they fight it and would love to see his face when the judge finds in the BBBC favor and awards all costs AGAINST BENN ,, should be enough to bankrupt the jumped up prick

But that is the risk with litigation - the winner would normally only be awarded their reasonable costs, which are usually substantially lower than commercial rates (i.e. what the winner has actually paid to their solicitors and barrister). So if litigation happened and the BBBofC won, they would still suffer a significant cost financially. That's the unfairness of litigation - it favours those with deeper pockets.

I really doubt he's going to try sue anyone , its all bluff and bluster to get them to go easy , facts are he's not ok'd the b sample for testing , he's not supplied an hair folicle , and were still waiting for that new info thats going to clear him next week 18 weeks ago , probably work too he'll get a 6 month ban backdated , and be free too fight ,,

Biggest problem there gonna have is WHO will he fight , without the gear in his system

[polecateddy]

Hope he does sue , hope they fight it and would love to see his face when the judge finds in the BBBC favor and awards all costs AGAINST BENN ,, should be enough to bankrupt the jumped up prick

But that is the risk with litigation - the winner would normally only be awarded their reasonable costs, which are usually substantially lower than commercial rates (i.e. what the winner has actually paid to their solicitors and barrister). So if litigation happened and the BBBofC won, they would still suffer a significant cost financially. That's the unfairness of litigation - it favours those with deeper pockets.

I really doubt he's going to try sue anyone , its all bluff and bluster to get them to go easy , facts are he's not ok'd the b sample for testing , he's not supplied an hair folicle , and were still waiting for that new info thats going to clear him next week 18 weeks ago , probably work too he'll get a 6 month ban backdated , and be free too fight ,,

Biggest problem there gonna have is WHO will he fight , without the gear in his system

UKAD refer to the WADA list of prohibited substances. Clomifene is prohibited for in and out of competition at all times on page 10 of the link. I'd say with two fails he's looking at either 3 or 4 years if UKAD go for VADA's results. https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/default/ ... r_2022.pdf

The only sports person I’m aware of who ever beat a Clomifene positive is steroid-head, Gabi Garcia. She primarily operated in the Brazilian Jui-Jitsu world, where steroid abuse is rife at all levels. She wasn’t banned but did get disqualified out of a world championship event. And I think she only got away with no ban because she said she was trying to get pregnant! It was with USADA and not UKAD.
https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2014/3/27/5 ... 013-worlds

[deadpan]

Hope he does sue , hope they fight it and would love to see his face when the judge finds in the BBBC favor and awards all costs AGAINST BENN ,, should be enough to bankrupt the jumped up prick

But that is the risk with litigation - the winner would normally only be awarded their reasonable costs, which are usually substantially lower than commercial rates (i.e. what the winner has actually paid to their solicitors and barrister). So if litigation happened and the BBBofC won, they would still suffer a significant cost financially. That's the unfairness of litigation - it favours those with deeper pockets.

I really doubt he's going to try sue anyone , its all bluff and bluster to get them to go easy , facts are he's not ok'd the b sample for testing , he's not supplied an hair folicle , and were still waiting for that new info thats going to clear him next week 18 weeks ago , probably work too he'll get a 6 month ban backdated , and be free too fight ,,

Biggest problem there gonna have is WHO will he fight , without the gear in his system

Indeed. The original Conor sucked eggs.

[keithmoonhangover]

Hypothetically, what happens to British boxing if the BBBofC goes bankrupt?

Obviously Matchroom, Benn etc would become universally hated but how would fights get licensed?

Does British boxing come to a stand still? Does another governing body fill the gap? Do we rely on a foreign governing body?

He 100% won't sue the BBBofC. The threat of legal action is sometimes more effective and will be enough.

[polecateddy]

Looking through the UKAD historical sanctions I spotted a redacted name on 4 year ban. The substances match up to former British boxer, Adam Machaj, who interestingly also got into trouble lying about his Clomifene use and trying to get dodgy retroactive Therapeutic Use Exemptions to wriggle out of it. Doesn’t look very natty in his thumbnail; https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles ... doping-ban

…and another one. Retired British boxer, Bradley Watson - two years for you guessed it, Clomifene! https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/53727760

If Benn gets less than a two year ban it will be a total injustice considering he’s been caught twice!

[Coco]

With somethings you are allowed a certain level but by my understanding you can not have clomifene in your body under any circumstances and you are 100% responsible for what you put in your body.

[polecateddy]

With somethings you are allowed a certain level but by my understanding you can not have clomifene in your body under any circumstances and you are 100% responsible for what you put in your body.

You can’t have any in your body - however the laboratory equipment is set to only record from 20 nano somethings. I guess if you get a very low reading you can try for contamination. But Benn needs contamination times two! Which is kind of like trying to argue that the no doubt highly professional laboratory isn’t fit for purpose.

[Controversial]

I still can’t understand if the team have all this evidence clearing him why not just post it publicly?