Klimas: Fury-Usyk is off, Usyk will pursue mandatories

[Perkin Warbeck]

Is Fury afraid of losing to Usyk?

Usyk has four belts (Ring, IBF, WBA, WBO) and as an international boxing superstar, he deserves 50%.

But Fury is demanding 60%. Is he being greedy and selfish? He would become the first undisputed heavyweight boxing champion in many years if he wins.

Usyk has a history of being easy to negotiate with, while Fury has a history of being difficult to negotiate with.

EDIT: Klimas said today Usyk-Fury is off.

[gilgamesh]

We don't anymore of these threads.

Tyson Fury is difficult because that's just how he is. I don't know if it's that he isn't eager to fight Usyk so much as he's not always eager to sign to fight at all

He kinda drags his ass fighting anyone a lot of the time.

That being said, I suspect when he fights it probably will be Usyk. Right now he's possibly waiting to see how Joshua does in his fight in April, and to see if something can be made there.

[Perkin Warbeck]

I think Usyk should move on, fight one of his mandatories: Dubois, Hrgovic or Joyce..

Fury is just playing childish games, and wasting Usyk's time. He doesn't really want the fight.

https://www.worldboxingnews.net/2023/03 ... andr-usyk/

[KiwiRider]

If Fury fights anyone other than Uysk, I'm not interested. I wasn't interested in the Dillian Whyte fight, and I still haven't even bothered to watch it.
I just wish the press would stop giving this time waster any coverage, the same goes for Crawford

[Lackeos]

How much revenue do you think Fury brings-in when he fights an opponent like Chisora? Probably like $40-60 million. How much revenue do you think Usyk brings-in when he fights Chisora? Probably like $10 million. There is no way that Usyk is entitled to 50%. So, with that established, why is Oleksandr Usyk so reluctant to agree to terms with Fury?

[DrDuke]

Fury wants only his terms and the biggest paydays. He was targeting the Joshua megafight after the covid layoff, but first the contractual obligations vs Wilder and secondly the loss of AJ to Usyk put the money fight opportunity away. After the team Joshua ignored the offer of Dec 2022, team Fury started trying to get the biggest purses possible apart from that option.

[p4p1]

How much revenue do you think Fury brings-in when he fights an opponent like Chisora? Probably like $40-60 million. How much revenue do you think Usyk brings-in when he fights Chisora? Probably like $10 million. There is no way that Usyk is entitled to 50%. So, with that established, why is Oleksandr Usyk so reluctant to agree to terms with Fury?

You have a fair point.
On one side, 50% against Usyk should be more money than a larger percentage against anyone else, maybe outside of Joshua or Ngannou for Fury. On the flip side a lesser percentage against Fury is going to be more than a larger percentage against anyone else for Usyk.
I think the fairest thing to do may be to do a 55/45 or 60/40 split for the winner with a guaranteed rematch and a guaranteed split. Usyk has the belts, Fury has the following.

[margaret thatcher]

our big lad tyson says he'd need 500m for the fight

[dickbelden]

i think TYSON FURY deserves @ least 60%---does any1 disagree ?

[margaret thatcher]

tyson wants 500m, not just a measly 60 percent, let alone the 50 percent his promoter said is appropriate

[Evander]

i think TYSON FURY deserves @ least 60%---does any1 disagree ?

That's going to be the question isn't it.
Most of the time Joshua is a pretty good draw, I don't see 60/40.
Best case for Fury 56/44, Best case for Joshua 47/53
If it takes place in the UK, it sells out easy and in no time, ppv's will go through the roof if promoted properly.

As for Usyk, I don't feel Fury is sidestepping him at all, money is just way bigger to fight Joshua.

[AlexCayWalt]

Is Fury afraid of losing to Usyk?

Yes, he definitely is.
Usyk has three belts. The same belts that Fury lost many years ago due to his own stupidity. Yet, Fury has a chance to become undisputed.
50 to 50 from the Rabbit is a decent deal for the undisputed bout. Moreover, Usyk got nothing to prove, he already was the undisputed champion in his natural weight. Heavyweight is just a bonus to his career. Fury is the one who has something to prove.

[AlexCayWalt]

I've heard a weird argument that Fury doesn't need the belts he already won. Winning the belts is one thing and retaining them is another. The second one is often much harder.

[joshj909]

How much revenue do you think Fury brings-in when he fights an opponent like Chisora? Probably like $40-60 million. How much revenue do you think Usyk brings-in when he fights Chisora? Probably like $10 million. There is no way that Usyk is entitled to 50%. So, with that established, why is Oleksandr Usyk so reluctant to agree to terms with Fury?

Usyk agreed directly with the Saudis on a purse not a split, Fury can't. That's his problem, not Usyk's.

[pound per pound]

Is Fury afraid of losing to Usyk?

Usyk has four belts (Ring, IBF, WBA, WBO) and as an international boxing superstar, he deserves 50%.

But Fury is demanding 60%. Is he being greedy and selfish? He would become the first undisputed heavyweight boxing champion in many years if he wins.

Usyk has a history of being easy to negotiate with, while Fury has a history of being difficult to negotiate with.

Fury seeks matches vs. the fat, old or unranked top the men. It's true. Usyk still has it and is just young enough for Fury who in my judgement is in the decline as Wilder or all people took something out if him. His injures wear and tear is starting to mount. I think we have seen his best already. Fight some young, raked in the top ten, not the fat or old you fouling fraud.

[Bandog]

Fury knows a win vs Usyk isn't a lock. His ego is too big to handle defeat. He will back out I think.
I pray Usyk gives Fury what he wants. Boxing needs this.
I think Usyk wins by UD if they fight.

[Noxy]

HW boxing is a bit of a circus. Remember all the Wilder vs Joshua boring hoo-hah. Whatever the problem may be.

In fairness to Fury, at least he sorted that one out.

[HomicideHenry]

I think it's a combination of different things.

1- Fury knows it's the biggest fight out there because it's the most important fight in 30 years, so he wants the most possible money for such a once-in-a-lifetime type event.

2- Fury sees himself truly as the a-side attraction in the equation so he believes that he's deserving of more money than Usyk anyways.

3- Fury is of the opinion that he can beat the Ukrainian so in his view he can either take it or leave it because he feels no real motivation with Usyk. That for some reason it's harder to get amped up for him when he had no problems getting amped up for Joshua or Wilder.

4- Fury loves to have a mental edge over opponents and it could be tactics to get into the head of the Ukrainian, and perhaps dragging things out or even walking away from negotiations would affect Usyk and Fury would get what he wanted (ie, the money and the reaction).

The last part sticks out to me the most, because I think this goes back to when Tyson Fury was in a training camp many years ago with Vladimir Klitschko and he said he knew he could beat him way back then because Vladimir walked out of the sauna room first. I think Tyson Fury is looking to see whether Usyk would cave in any way shape or form.

[Counter-puncher]

. That for some reason it's harder to get amped up for him when he had no problems getting amped up for Joshua .

not amped up enough to put pen to paper, of course, so not really that amped up at all.

[HomicideHenry]

. That for some reason it's harder to get amped up for him when he had no problems getting amped up for Joshua .

not amped up enough to put pen to paper, of course, so not really that amped up at all.

When it comes to Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua I think there was more willingness from both sides to really do it but for different reasons it always fell through. Sometimes team Fury was at fault and other times it was team Joshua at fault.

[Counter-puncher]

refreshing to note you contemplate the possibility Fury may be at fault. may be a good time to consider that maybe he isn't as complacent over Usyk's chances of beating him as you think he can afford to be.

[HomicideHenry]

refreshing to note you contemplate the possibility Fury may be at fault. may be a good time to consider that maybe he isn't as complacent over Usyk's chances of beating him as you think he can afford to be.

Usyk seems to be cracking under the pressure a bit by publicly admitting how badly he needs the fight with Tyson Fury. So the mind games theory might be working, if indeed this is about mind games.

As for Tyson Fury being at fault of course he is because it's largely in his court more so than the Ukrainian. I do think that Usyk's team demanding 50% has caused unnecessary friction and probably is an unrealistic demand, but ultimately Tyson Fury is the one who gives the thumb up or the thumb down.

The problem with Tyson Fury from my point of view is that he is at that point where he has crossed into the cultural mainstream to where he will sell regardless who he fights. That totally unnecessary third fight with Chisora, for example, is a prime example of that fact because that stadium was filled in the winter time and it's an open-air arena.

Usyk's not in that position. Maybe only Anthony Joshua is in the same position as Tyson Fury that they can sell regardless of who they fight. But of course, Fury is at fault. I was just hoping that the Ukrainians would have settled for a smaller figure that way this could have all been done already.

[big lennox]

HomicideHenry, I think the attendance for Fury vs Chisora III flattered to deceive. Apparently, a lot of ticket companies bought up the tickets quickly but then had great difficulty shifting them. I think they had to give away a lot of tickets to make the arena look fuller..

Also, Jake Paul vs Tommy Fury has just done over 750,000 PPV buys and Tyson Fury vs Derek Chisora III did less than 300,000. Therefore, Jake Paul has more clout than Tyson Fury, if I follow your argument correctly.

[HomicideHenry]

HomicideHenry, I think the attendance for Fury vs Chisora III flattered to deceive. Apparently, a lot of ticket companies bought up the tickets quickly but then had great difficulty shifting them. I think they had to give away a lot of tickets to make the arena look fuller..

Also, Jake Paul vs Tommy Fury has just done over 750,000 PPV buys and Tyson Fury vs Derek Chisora III did less than 300,000. Therefore, Jake Paul has more clout than Tyson Fury, if I follow your argument correctly.

The Jake Paul figures I'm not surprised by considering his celebrity sttatus well before going into boxing to begin with, so he is more or less something of an outlier in the world of boxing.

Considering how easily Tyson Fury defeated Chisora the second time it's quite remarkable he was able to sell nearly 300,000 pay-per-views for a trilogy nobody wanted. The Whyte fight with 90k fans in attendance I think is more indicative of how popular Tyson Fury has become but considering how many people showed up in an open-air arena in December to see a fight nobody really wanted in Chisora does show he has built enough of a worldwide reputation that he can basically face anybody and have good money out of it.

[big lennox]

HomicideHenry, but why turn down Saudi money for less money at Wembley? And then expect your opponent, who had agreed the Saudi money, to take less than you, out of a smaller pot. It just doesn't stack up. To the neutral it does appear that Fury wants no part of Uysk.