man, imagine if Canelo would've agreed to fight Bivol and get beat again? Gingerboy played smart this time

[apollo creed]

Canelo played smart and jumped to PBC's stable, where there are plenty of big money fights for him like Spence/T.C, Charlos and Benavidez.

I don't know if Canelo really wanted to fight Bivol at 175 or it was a bluff but Bivol should've taken the offer and beat again Canelo. Now Bivol is left with fighting lesser names and the hope to fight old Arthur.

Every fighter wants a piece of Canelo. DAZN's Mung and Oscar seem to chase fights with PBC fighters too like Bena, Canelo, Charlos, which is not that good for Hearn and DAZN.

PBC and SHO could deliver interesting fights.

[Winter king]

I would respect him much more if he wouldn't pull shit like this and face legit opponents and lose. This is not smart to me. A fighters value shouldnt be how clever he is at picking his enemies for better money gain.

[Cent0089]

It is crazy that facing undefeated Charlo, Benavidez and Spence is considered cherry picking and easy way ... Just proof how good Canelo resume is, despite L's.

[apollo creed]

The big problem with these fighters is that are fighting once per year , protecting their 0/status and wait the call from Canelo.
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These guys are staying safe waiting for a big PAYDAY. The level of competition in the boxing matches (@168lbs) is weak and of course that Canelo beats these guys easy.

[SendoTakeshi]

It is crazy that facing undefeated Charlo, Benavidez and Spence is considered cherry picking and easy way ... Just proof how good Canelo resume is, despite L's.

Being undefeated doesn't mean anything in boxing.
Charlo is one weight class below Canelo and didn't fight for 2 years, Spence is a WELTERWEIGHT and therefore THREE weight classes below Canelo and he never showed any signs to fight Benavidez.

[cpx2]

It is crazy that facing undefeated Charlo, Benavidez and Spence is considered cherry picking and easy way ... Just proof how good Canelo resume is, despite L's.

Absolutely no one would cry "cherrypick" if he fought Benavidez next May. That's the fight everyone's calling for. It's a duck if it doesn't happen next imo unless Benavidez loses later this year.

Spence would be a cherrypick, he'll have fought at 154 at the highest by the time that fight comes around if it happens.

The Charlo-Tsyzu winner would be a better fight, particularly if the winner uses the WBO mandatory power that comes with being champion to take a belt at 160.

[Thomastearns]

I would respect him much more if he wouldn't pull shit like this and face legit opponents and lose. This is not smart to me. A fighters value shouldnt be how clever he is at picking his enemies for better money gain.

Mayweather was the pioneer of that approach and his bank balance is the envy of many a fighter.

Canelo is just following in his footsteps.

Boxing is a jungle and far too many fighters don't make it through safely.

Many that do, often lose something of themselves in the process.

Who's to blame for this sorry predicament?

Well, seeing as it's a money game, you've got to take a look at the paying fans.

As long as they're happy to pay for carefully picked/safe/ exhibition/circus fights, we'll keep getting them.

Having said all that, Canelo vs Benavidez would be a great fight, but unfortunately one of the cardinal Mayweather blueprint rules is to avoid fighting younger opponents at all costs.

Especially younger dangerous ones such as David Benavidez.

Another key rule is to fight established name opponents are who are on the way down.

Safety first, protect yourself at all times.

Especially outside the ring during negotiations.

[SendoTakeshi]

Mayweather was the pioneer of that approach and his bank balance is the envy of many a fighter.

Canelo is just following in his footsteps.

Boxing is a jungle and far too many fighters don't make it through safely.

Many that do, often lose something of themselves in the process.

Who's to blame for this sorry predicament?

Well, seeing as it's a money game, you've got to take a look at the paying fans.

As long as they're happy to pay for carefully picked/safe/ exhibition/circus fights, we'll keep getting them.

Having said all that, Canelo vs Benavidez would be a great fight, but unfortunately one of the cardinal Mayweather blueprint rules is to avoid fighting younger opponents at all costs.

Especially younger dangerous ones such as David Benavidez.

Another key rule is to fight established name opponents are who are on the way down.

Safety first, protect yourself at all times.

Especially outside the ring during negotiations.

No wonder Mayweather can save up so much money, he lives rent free in your head for decades.
The hate this men gets is wild.

How come you only remember the guys who were older then him, but none of those elite guys he fought that are younger then him?

[apollo creed]

It is crazy that facing undefeated Charlo, Benavidez and Spence is considered cherry picking and easy way ... Just proof how good Canelo resume is, despite L's.

Being undefeated doesn't mean anything in boxing.
Charlo is one weight class below Canelo and didn't fight for 2 years, Spence is a WELTERWEIGHT and therefore THREE weight classes below Canelo and he never showed any signs to fight Benavidez.

Thats true. Its just about 0's and stay safe in line to get a chance at the Canelo payday.

Bena and Morrell would be the best fights for Canelo but tbh first I'd like to see these two fighters fighting each other to get better and then challenge Canelo. But yeah money talks and nobody wants to risk their status and get a loss when Canelo is on PBC's stable.

[apollo creed]

It is crazy that facing undefeated Charlo, Benavidez and Spence is considered cherry picking and easy way ... Just proof how good Canelo resume is, despite L's.

Absolutely no one would cry "cherrypick" if he fought Benavidez next May. That's the fight everyone's calling for. It's a duck if it doesn't happen next imo unless Benavidez loses later this year.

Spence would be a cherrypick, he'll have fought at 154 at the highest by the time that fight comes around if it happens.

The Charlo-Tsyzu winner would be a better fight, particularly if the winner uses the WBO mandatory power that comes with being champion to take a belt at 160.

Yeah about Bena but tbh his resume is lacklustre. He has only one good win in Plant who wast stopped before by Canelo, so Bena ain't no monster. Benavidez vs Morrell fight winner vs Canelo would be a more solid opponent for Canelo.

I think Mell is also idle bc he wants a payday from Canelo too.

[apollo creed]

I would respect him much more if he wouldn't pull shit like this and face legit opponents and lose. This is not smart to me. A fighters value shouldnt be how clever he is at picking his enemies for better money gain.

Mayweather was the pioneer of that approach and his bank balance is the envy of many a fighter.

Canelo is just following in his footsteps.

Boxing is a jungle and far too many fighters don't make it through safely.

Many that do, often lose something of themselves in the process.

Who's to blame for this sorry predicament?

Well, seeing as it's a money game, you've got to take a look at the paying fans.

As long as they're happy to pay for carefully picked/safe/ exhibition/circus fights, we'll keep getting them.

Having said all that, Canelo vs Benavidez would be a great fight, but unfortunately one of the cardinal Mayweather blueprint rules is to avoid fighting younger opponents at all costs.

Especially younger dangerous ones such as David Benavidez.

Another key rule is to fight established name opponents are who are on the way down.

Safety first, protect yourself at all times.

Especially outside the ring during negotiations.

Canelo would fight Bena bc Bena ain't that good. Bena has one decent win vs Plant and nothing more.

The 168 division is very poor in competitive fights.

[Bandog]

By demanding the exact same conditions, and money, Canelo essentially priced himself out of a Bivol rematch. If he was serious, he would have given a little and not wait 1.5 yrs for a rematch.

[apollo creed]

By demanding the exact same conditions, and money, Canelo essentially priced himself out of a Bivol rematch. If he was serious, he would have given a little and not wait 1.5 yrs for a rematch.

Bivol ain't not a big profile fighter, draw, etc. He should've accepted to fight Canelo at 175 on the same terms and whoop him again. Then Bivol's drawing power would've increased by beating the face of boxing two times.

But who knows, maybe Bivol was afraid to not be robbed of his wba title and lose all, so he demanded more advantages.

[Evander]

It is crazy that facing undefeated Charlo, Benavidez and Spence is considered cherry picking and easy way ... Just proof how good Canelo resume is, despite L's.

Couldn't have put it better myself

[apollo creed]

As we know Canelo is gonna fight Mell which is not a surprise since Mall is too ring rusted. Probably after this fight Canelo would fight Mall.

I was anticipated these fights from Canelo bc both Charlos were staying idle and safe too much time, waiting for Canelo's call. Its a good strategic move to cash in big time for Charlos. Also not so long ago, Canelo's trainer was saying that Charlo is a fight that is appealing for Canelo.

I read that Spence is in plan also for Canelo , of course if Spence beats TC.

Of course that these fights may look like cherrypickings but lets not forget that Charlos are big dudes too and they probably rehydrated a lot on night fight. Spence is a big welter too.

The question is what Benavidez will do meanwhile? Stay safe and have one easy fight per year until Canelo would decide to fight him? Or trying to fight Morrell and Andrade?

I'd like to see Benavidez trying to fight Morrell and Andrade and the winner of these fights would be a truly, legit, dangerous opponent for Canelo!

[The Asleep Lamps]

I wouldn't call anyone involved smart and including Bivol. I posted months ago who is Bivol going to fight if not Beterbiev? Now he is stuck standing around doing nothing. Benavidez will be OK. Tim Tszyu will be OK.

[tigermoth87]

Even with a five round head start, he still failed to beat Bivol. Embarassing.

[apollo creed]

I wouldn't call anyone involved smart and including Bivol. I posted months ago who is Bivol going to fight if not Beterbiev? Now he is stuck standing around doing nothing. Benavidez will be OK. Tim Tszyu will be OK.

Canelo, Charlos, PBC are doing smart moves bc they will make big money, business-wise.

Bivol should've taken Canelo's whatever offer and stfu. Now, what he's gonna do ? Its a pity bc Bivol is a very talented fighter, had a great year in 2022 but he is loosing a lot of his precious time. He should've had already a stay busy fight and then fight Canelo at 175.

[The Asleep Lamps]

No they're not smart selling us a dumb fight that nobody asked for. How Canelo goes from fighting a cruiserweight to a jr middleweight? I could do a better job matchmaking by pulling names out of a hat. He needs for a clown nose to match his hair.

[apollo creed]

No they're not smart selling us a dumb fight that nobody asked for. How Canelo goes from fighting a cruiserweight to a jr middleweight? I could do a better job matchmaking by pulling names out of a hat. He needs for a clown nose to match his hair.

Well its about the audience and the fan base of Canelo, Charlos Spence,TC. Those are gonna buy the fights.

Floyd is still selling his exibition-circus fights bc there is a public that is willing to pay for that.

These guys figured out how to build a solid fan base that are gonna buy their fights.

[gilgamesh]

I would imagine the sales for Floyd's exhibitions are pretty goddamn low at this point, but I never see any numbers one way or the other.

Canelo vs either of the Charlo's is definitely a bigger seller than him vs Bivol again. So it's a smarter decision for lots of reasons to shift his focus to fighting those guys instead.

[apollo creed]

I would imagine the sales for Floyd's exhibitions are pretty goddamn low at this point, but I never see any numbers one way or the other.

Canelo vs either of the Charlo's is definitely a bigger seller than him vs Bivol again. So it's a smarter decision for lots of reasons to shift his focus to fighting those guys instead.

Well I think Floyd is still getting paid very well for his circus fights.

As for Charlos and Canelo, of course that these fights are better money fights than the Bivol fight but personally I want to see Canelo being in more tougher fights vs Bivol 2, Benavidez, Beterbiev, Morrell.

Charlos are inactive fighters and from lower weight classes.

[gilgamesh]

I would imagine the sales for Floyd's exhibitions are pretty goddamn low at this point, but I never see any numbers one way or the other.

Canelo vs either of the Charlo's is definitely a bigger seller than him vs Bivol again. So it's a smarter decision for lots of reasons to shift his focus to fighting those guys instead.

Well I think Floyd is still getting paid very well for his circus fights.

As for Charlos and Canelo, of course that these fights are better money fights than the Bivol fight but personally I want to see Canelo being in more tougher fights vs Bivol 2, Benavidez, Beterbiev, Morrell.

Charlos are inactive fighters and from lower weight classes.

Oh I have no doubt about that, but are the people that are paying him well making any money off of these circuses or are they losing their ass?

I would bet it's the latter.

Are any of these exhibitions ever put on by the same promoter twice?

The one he did with Logan Paul probably did legitimately make a profit. The rest I highly doubt they have.