Errol Spence Jr. vs. Terence Crawford | Showtime PPV - July 29, 2023

Who wins?

Poll ended at 29 Jul 2023, 15:29

Spence - Decision
32
23%
Spence - T/KO
12
9%
DRAW
8
6%
Crawford - T/KO
37
27%
Crawford - Decision
48
35%
 
Total votes: 137

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Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Terence Crawford | Showtime PPV - July 29, 2023

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Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: 31 Jul 2023, 11:23
margaret thatcher wrote: 31 Jul 2023, 11:12 spence wasnt in crawford's 5 toughest fights
Blows my mind crawford is this good and he basically fought nobody worth a damn for 9 years
It was definitely a long slog of mediocre opponents to get to this.

Fight definitely would've gotten more media attention about 4 years ago. I feel like Boxing in general is getting less coverage lately on sports networks.
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BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote: 31 Jul 2023, 11:05
- Whatever, dudessie,..do you even understand that Errol had only a single fight in the past three years where he was recovering from a horrific drunken auto crash where he lost a lot of skin and a front row of teef that needed replacement.

Then his horrific showing vs Ugas who knocked him into the ropes for a KD that the inept Cole couldn't call, had Errol bouncing off the ropes into Ugas with Cole now stopping the action instead of letting Ugas tee off on a clearly off balance Spencer...did you miss that?

Did you miss that the lifetime of no tattooed Spence in the year leading up to Craw suddenly injects of quart of ink into his ailing body, so are you saying that is sound strategy to suddenly make him stronger?

Did you miss that the shots Craw landed were no more than defensive arm punches that KDed Spence who was never hurt, just as off balance just as he was vs Ugas against a better offensive fighter in Craw?

Hey, great, Craw beat an ailing paper champ. Novice Leon whooped The Greatest Ali pillar to post as an Olympic Gold Medalist and didn't earn a quarter of the accolades that Craw has received, so meh... :TU:
Agree with most of that. The victories against Ugas and Garcia papered over the cracks but with hindsight i think it's fair to say that the real Errol Spence was last seen in the Porter fight.

Bud was punch perfect but does beating a horribly diminished Spence really put him in the WW pantheon with the likes of Leonard as some people say. Surely he needs one or two more victories against elite fighters to cement a reputation as an all time great.
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Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Terence Crawford | Showtime PPV - July 29, 2023

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Craw is what made Spence look anemic. Not weight draining.
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Thurman calling out Bud. Now they all wanna fight him.
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CaptainSpacerod wrote: 31 Jul 2023, 19:59
BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote: 31 Jul 2023, 11:05
- Whatever, dudessie,..do you even understand that Errol had only a single fight in the past three years where he was recovering from a horrific drunken auto crash where he lost a lot of skin and a front row of teef that needed replacement.

Then his horrific showing vs Ugas who knocked him into the ropes for a KD that the inept Cole couldn't call, had Errol bouncing off the ropes into Ugas with Cole now stopping the action instead of letting Ugas tee off on a clearly off balance Spencer...did you miss that?

Did you miss that the lifetime of no tattooed Spence in the year leading up to Craw suddenly injects of quart of ink into his ailing body, so are you saying that is sound strategy to suddenly make him stronger?

Did you miss that the shots Craw landed were no more than defensive arm punches that KDed Spence who was never hurt, just as off balance just as he was vs Ugas against a better offensive fighter in Craw?

Hey, great, Craw beat an ailing paper champ. Novice Leon whooped The Greatest Ali pillar to post as an Olympic Gold Medalist and didn't earn a quarter of the accolades that Craw has received, so meh... :TU:
Agree with most of that. The victories against Ugas and Garcia papered over the cracks but with hindsight i think it's fair to say that the real Errol Spence was last seen in the Porter fight.

Bud was punch perfect but does beating a horribly diminished Spence really put him in the WW pantheon with the likes of Leonard as some people say. Surely he needs one or two more victories against elite fighters to cement a reputation as an all time great.
I guess Spence was just kept on "survival" mode to cash in vs Bud in a big money fight. Definitely this lethargic version of Spence wasn't the same with the 2017-2018 prime version but still I think Bud would've beaten soundly any version of Spence.
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WTF are you all talking about? Spence is a beast at his prime, steamrolling oponents he faced. Dont use excuses to lower Crawfords win over him. It was fkin HUGE one :box:
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Cent0089 wrote: 01 Aug 2023, 07:32 WTF are you all talking about? Spence is a beast at his prime, steamrolling oponents he faced. Dont use excuses to lower Crawfords win over him. It was fkin HUGE one :box:
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Crawford-Spence Event Generated More Than $21,000,000 In Ticket Sales At T-Mobile Arena

The Terence Crawford-Errol Spence superfight produced an undisputed welterweight champion and a massive live gate. (photo by Ryan Hafey)

More than $21,000,000 in ticket sales were generated from the July 29 Showtime Pay-Per-View event from T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas, according to a report from the always reliable Sports Business Journal. The show drew an announced crowd of 19,900, which saw Crawford (40-0, 31KOs) become the first male boxer in the four-belt era to claim undisputed championship status in two weight divisions following his ninth-round stoppage of Spence.

The figure is by far the highest gate produced by either boxer, and the second largest box-office haul among all boxing events in 2023. Only the Gervonta Davis-Ryan Garcia superfight did bigger business on the year. Their April 22 event—also at T-Mobile Arena—produced an estimated $22.8 million in ticket sales and more than $100,000,000 in revenue from a reported 1.2 million PPV units sold.

PPV estimates for Spence-Crawford were not yet available, with the range still too wide for Boxing Scene to accurately report as this goes to publication.

Nevertheless, the immediate financial success is a game changer especially for Crawford (40-0, 31KOs), whose lone knock on his stellar career was his ability to produce a big event. The unbeaten switch-hitter from Omaha, Nebraska has always produced favorable TV ratings and sold-out crowds in his hometown but never enjoyed a breakthrough PPV event until he landed the legacy defining fight versus Spence that he craved for more than five years.

Spence (28-1, 22KOs) developed as a huge draw at home in the greater Dallas region. The 33-year-old southpaw surpassed $5,000,000 in ticket sales in his tenth-round knockout of Yordenis Ugas to win the WBA welterweight title and defend his WBC and IBF belts last April 16 at AT&T Stadium, home to the NFL’s Dallas Cowboys.

The same venue hosted Spence’s twelve-round points win over former two-division titlist Danny Garcia. Their December 2020 title fight came during the pandemic and social distancing but still generated $2,615,075 from 14,508 tickets sold.

Crawford was never a part of a PPV event that previously surpassed 200,000 buys or which produced the type of financial windfall that will come from by far the biggest win of his career. The one-sided nature of his win saw Crawford stake his claim as the sport’s best pound-for-pound fighter in the world and fully unify all four major titles along with the lineal championship in the welterweight division.

Spence headlined his fifth consecutive PPV event, albeit as he suffered his first defeat. The 2012 U.S. entered as the unified WBC/WBA/IBF welterweight titlist, but was battered and dropped three times before referee Harvey Dock waved off the contest in the ninth round.

The ticket haul saw event presenter Premier Boxing Champions and Showtime claim its second gate north of $20,000,000 in 2023, as the entities also took the lead in the Davis-Garcia show.

There is a shot at a third PPV event landing on the list, with the September 30 Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez-Jermell Charlo undisputed super middleweight championship to also take place at T-Mobile Arena. Guadalajara’s Alvarez (59-2-2, 39KOs) was part of three of the six highest-grossing events to ever take place in Las Vegas.
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apollo creed wrote: 31 Jul 2023, 12:19 Errol was drained as fuk but yeah money was good for that sacrifice. Nothing to take away from TC. He's a complete fighter with stellar boxing skills and ring IQ/mindset. I'd like to see the rematch at 154 although I think this fight took a lot from Spence.

That's the thing.

Crawford says he's had enough of 147lbs too and will fancy the rematch at 154lbs.

The big question really is whether Spence is now shot.

Crawford did what Crawford needed to do, but that was not the Errol Spence we know.

In all of the Spence fights I've watched I got the impression he was always a little bit stronger than his opposition.

Not last Saturday night.

It's certainly a fair question to ask whether he did actually fully recover from his collision with the tarmac.



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CaptainSpacerod wrote: 31 Jul 2023, 19:59 Bud was punch perfect but does beating a horribly diminished Spence really put him in the WW pantheon with the likes of Leonard as some people say.
Because every time I fight somebody they got something negative to say after the fact,” Crawford said. “But prior to be fighting [them], it’s a whole lot of, ‘I don’t know if Crawford’s ready, this guy’s too big [for him], this guy’s fought this guy, he’s got the better resume.’ You hear a lot of things but after the fight you hear, ‘he wasn’t nothing, he was washed.

Crawford says he expects to hear “a lot of things” after he defeats Spence, with the critics saying Spence, 28-0(22) wasn’t all that. “When I fought Shawn Porter, everyone was saying, ‘Oh, Bud too little, Shawn’s gonna rough him up, or Bud’s not on that level, he ain’t fought nobody.’ But now, after I fight Shawn, it’s ‘washed,’ his dad called the fight, he [Porter] was retired already.’ I hear a lot of things. So July 29th I’m gonna hear a lot of things as well.

Source: Bud Crawford On Critics Saying He's Fought Nobody - Boxing News https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-news/t ... ody/264962
Bud predicted it.
People will always find an excuse. If he beats Boots, he wasn't ready because he was too young.
If he beats Charlo after, he was already shot because of the Canelo fight.

You can do everything right and people still gonna talk bad about you.
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On the third viewing here.
Ok maybe he wasn't gassed, Errol seemed to be running on empty very early in the fight.
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Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Terence Crawford | Showtime PPV - July 29, 2023

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The fight was a huge success. Happy to see that.
It's too bad a fight between a former one-weight champ and a contender (Davis vs Garcia) was bigger then a fight between two of the P4P best fighters on the planet, but that's the power of the Casuals.

Atleast EJ and Bud made a good chunck of money, even though there was a good UFC card one the same day.
Good for them.
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apollo creed wrote: 31 Jul 2023, 12:19 Errol was drained as fuk but yeah money was good for that sacrifice. Nothing to take away from TC. He's a complete fighter with stellar boxing skills and ring IQ/mindset. I'd like to see the rematch at 154 although I think this fight took a lot from Spence.
Was he drained when he fought Ugas and Garcia?
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